Would you take a bullet for the political leader of your country?

[Darkdale]

It makes them a dead hero.

That's right. That seems a better way to die than prostate cancer lol.

"Cattle die, kindred die,
Every man is mortal:
But the good name never dies
Of one who has done well " - Hávamál 76

 

[Jaymes]

Because all people that live past prime bullet-taking days die of prostate cancer. :areyoucra

 

[michel]

Because all people that live past prime bullet-taking days die of prostate cancer. :areyoucra

well, Jensa, not the women, of course.....................:biglaugh:

 

[gnomon]

Would I take a bullet for the leader of my country? Absolutely not. Would I for my family? I would like to think so. Honestly, I cannot say that I would take a bullet for anyone unless faced with the possibility. Which I hope never happens. I do know that I have placed myself between my brother (few inches taller than me and twice my size) and someone who I thought was trying to fight him. So I exhibit the willingness to do so.

As far as the political leader of this country being that of the Executive Branch. No. Perhaps its my complete disgust with the state of affairs in U.S. politics. This smacks of the lunacy when people talk about dying for the flag. Misplaced sentimentality.

 

[drekmed]

today, i am required to because it is my job as a member of the military. after june 7 2006, when my service commitment is up, i believe i would give him warning, but i doubt i would budge. the reason for this is that i have my own goals and possible political asperations that i wish to accomplish, and there is no way i would sacrifice the chance to do something good for my country when i feel i might be able to make a better contribution to the state of things than the current leaders.

my allegiance is not to the leadership, but to the country that i love. if i believe that the president is dangerous and causes harm to the country why should i risk my life to save him/her. if i believe the government is destroying my rights and liberties, i will attempt to stop them, in whatever way i must. however, if i believe the president, or government officials help the country i would do my best to save them, even if that means stepping in front of the bullet.

my sense of honor is my own, and as far as im concerned, blind sacrifice is not honorable.

my life is more valuable to me than all others, with the exception of family.

and as far as the current executative branch and most members of the legislative branch of our government go, i think i would gladly step out of the path of a bullet for them.

Drekmed

 

[standing_alone]

my sense of honor is my own, and as far as im concerned, blind sacrifice is not honorable.

my life is more valuable to me than all others, with the exception of family.

and as far as the current executative branch and most members of the legislative branch of our government go, i think i would gladly step out of the path of a bullet for them.

Frubals to you!

 

[Darkdale]

Because all people that live past prime bullet-taking days die of prostate cancer. :areyoucra

What is wrong with you? That was meant to be humorous. Look, some people take honor seriously and others do not, but you are going to look foolish if you try to criticize people for honoring the lives of others, or honoring thier countries. It looks petty.

 

[mr.guy]

You'll have to forgive Jensa, DD. She might not be able to appreciate how truly dis-honourable it is to die from prostate cancer.

 

[pdoel]

But, to die for something greater than yourself.... oh... I see. Your president isn't greater than yourself. He's just some spoiled brat. Silver spoon and all that. I forget that. My bad. :banghead3 You have no honor.

I hate to tell you this, but you'd be dieing for an "idea". From the sounds of it, you are more into "dieing for honor" than you are of actually protecting the President. You want to die a hero. That's a bit selfish, if you ask me.

Our current politicians really aren't people I have much respect for. They certainly don't listen to the people of this country. They have their own agenda. You don't go a week without hearing about some pay raises they've all just signed into affect for each other. Or about how they abuse their power, or their immoral voting history.

Why would I possibly want to die for these people?

Like it or not, my life has just as much value as any Presidents. I'd like to stick around to take care of my family and friends, and do a job that I believe is actually making a difference in this world. I'm not about to die to protect an immoral person just so that I can die a hero.

 

[Jaymes]

I'm not criticizing anyone for honoring the lives of others. I'm just saying it's not dishonorable to not run and jump in front of bullets at every opprotunity.

 

[pdoel]

What is wrong with you? That was meant to be humorous. Look, some people take honor seriously and others do not, but you are going to look foolish if you try to criticize people for honoring the lives of others, or honoring thier countries. It looks petty.

I guess it really depends on your definition of honor. If dieing to protect an immoral man simply so that you can die a hero is honor to you, then so be it.

But for many of us, that would not qualify as "honor".

 

[Darkdale]

I hate to tell you this, but you'd be dieing for an "idea". From the sounds of it, you are more into "dieing for honor" than you are of actually protecting the President. You want to die a hero. That's a bit selfish, if you ask me.

There is no such thing as dying for honor. Either you have an honorable death or you do not. It is what you spent your life on that makes your sacrifice honorable or not. I understand that you don't want to die for people that you don't like. Most people are like that. I just think that is sad. But, calling me selfish for valuing something you do not is a bit, well... trite? Petty? Or maybe you just aren't understanding me. I will try to be more clear.

Our current politicians really aren't people I have much respect for. They certainly don't listen to the people of this country. They have their own agenda. You don't go a week without hearing about some pay raises they've all just signed into affect for each other. Or about how they abuse their power, or their immoral voting history.

Why would I possibly want to die for these people?

Like it or not, my life has just as much value as any Presidents. I'd like to stick around to take care of my family and friends, and do a job that I believe is actually making a difference in this world. I'm not about to die to protect an immoral person just so that I can die a hero.

You are still focusing on the politicians as individuals and that is not what I am talking about. If it was the individual I'd sacrifice myself for, I'm not sure there would be any. What I would be willing to spend my life on is this: to prevent a traitor from usurping our democracy through murder. That is a noble death. It's a death on behalf of all the people that exercised their liberty. I would be protecting their choice over the choice of one mudering traitor. How is it selfish to sacrifice your life for others.

 

[pdoel]

I'm not misunderstanding you at all. You aren't dieing for a person, you are dieing for an "idea". You also stated several times you'd like to die a hero.

While that sounds nice, I'd prefer to live as a hero. I have alot more left to give to thsi world, and I'm not about to end that for some 60+ year old who I view as being corrupt. I think I have more to give this world than he does. To you, that means I have no honor.

But to me, dieing simply so you can say you died a hero, I see that as being rather selfish.

 

[Darkdale]

I'm not misunderstanding you at all. You aren't dieing for a person, you are dieing for an "idea". You also stated several times you'd like to die a hero.

While that sounds nice, I'd prefer to live as a hero. I have alot more left to give to thsi world, and I'm not about to end that for some 60+ year old who I view as being corrupt. I think I have more to give this world than he does. To you, that means I have no honor.

But to me, dieing simply so you can say you died a hero, I see that as being rather selfish.

You are quite obviously missing the point and your petty attempts to insult me aren't making you look any more reasonable. The votes of the people are not ideas. They are actual things. Liberty is not just an idea, it's an actual state of being; and in the political context it is an objective process. To protect the choice of the people and to protect the process is not some selfish act. It is indeed quite honorable. It is not my fault if you utterly lack that quality.

 

[pdoel]

You are quite obviously missing the point and your petty attempts to insult me aren't making you look any more reasonable. The votes of the people are not ideas. They are actual things. Liberty is not just an idea, it's an actual state of being; and in the political context it is an objective process. To protect the choice of the people and to protect the process is not some selfish act. It is indeed quite honorable. It is not my fault if you utterly lack that quality.

It's not a petty attempt. To be honest, seeing you judge so many people in this thread and claiming none of them have honor, to me, is rather petty. Seems you need to practice what you preach.

And, to stay on topic, by taking a bullet for a President, I don't see you standing up for all that you believe in. As YOU said, you think it'd be great to die a hero, and be very honorable.

If these men actually stood for anything you are discussing here, that's a different story. But, they don't. They are more often than not, very dishonorable men who don't stand for the freedom of the people, as much as they are doing a job to make money, with their own personal agenda. That is not honor.

 

[Darkdale]

It's not a petty attempt. To be honest, seeing you judge so many people in this thread and claiming none of them have honor, to me, is rather petty. Seems you need to practice what you preach.

And, to stay on topic, by taking a bullet for a President, I don't see you standing up for all that you believe in. As YOU said, you think it'd be great to die a hero, and be very honorable.

If these men actually stood for anything you are discussing here, that's a different story. But, they don't. They are more often than not, very dishonorable men who don't stand for the freedom of the people, as much as they are doing a job to make money, with their own personal agenda. That is not honor.

You are being petty, in my opinion. But that is neither here nor there. The real problem with your reasoning is that it is illogical.

Just because I believe it would be valuable to die an honorable death, doesn't mean that I would die specifically for the purpose of achieving honor. Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc. The reason I would die is because I value my country, my freedom and our democratic process. That it is good to do so is what makes it honorable. Because you dislike your leaders should not stop you from sacrificing yourself for them. It is a love of your people and of your liberty that makes such an act possible. It's love. It is hard to imagine anyone giving up their life for something that they did not love. True?

This conversation is about principle, but you are making it about politics. So I suppose we are just coming at this from different ends.

 

[jeffrey]

pdoel, I'm in total agreement. Very well stated. I think it is much more honorable to stand up for what you believe in, then take a bullet for something or someone that you don't believe in.

 

[Darkdale]

pdoel, I'm in total agreement. Very well stated. I think it is much more honorable to stand up for what you believe in, then take a bullet for something or someone that you don't believe in.

Then you too are missing the point. What I am talking about is specifically about standing up for what I believe in.

 

[Scuba Pete]

Frubals on your head PDoel! Simply brilliant!

 

[Pardus]

DD stop pushing your religious beliefs onto others.

Wondering what i'm talking about? Valhalla.