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Would you take a bullet for the political leader of your country?

Darkdale

World Leader Pretend
pdoel said:
But again, if you are dieing for a principle, and not a person, then why wouldn't you die to protect our constitution? Our constitution stands for MUCH more when it comes to democracy than our President does. It is our most sacred of documents. You wouldn't die to protect it's safety, but you would die to protect a man who made a mockery of that document, and tried to ammend it in a ploy to gain popularity and insure his re-election.

While I do value our freedoms and the democracy of this country, I don't think killing myself to protect an immoral man will accomplish that. I have obligations to my family. I'm sure they would put more value on my life, than they would of the idea of me dieing a hero for some cause I did not believe in. (In this case, the cause would be the immorality of our President).

The Constitution is an interpreted document. It's like the bible. It means whatever we want it to mean at the time. It's up for debate.

See, you're just angry at Bush. That's your argument. "I hate Bush!". That's not really a rational position. But I understand. If you think it's fine for someone to murder your president, maybe you could show me where in the constitution (this document you value soooo much) where it says that murdering our politicians will be a part of our political process. Or, maybe you really don't care about our political process. Maybe it's not the words IN the constitution that matters to you, but the actual document itself? Who knows. :D

We have very different values, but this is a free country and we've got all kinds here. So you just go ahead and be bitter and angry at your president and all those evil ******** that elected him. It means nothing to me. :cool:
 

standing_alone

Well-Known Member
show me where in the constitution (this document you value soooo much) where it says that murdering our politicians will be a part of our political process.
Where does it say jumping in front of bullets for a political figure is part of the political process? :D
 

Darkdale

World Leader Pretend
standing_alone said:
Where does it say jumping in front of bullets for a political figure is part of the political process? :D

It shouldn't have to, considering that said bullets are an attack on the liberties of the people and the foundation of democracy itself. :cool: I would think that anyone would be honored to prevent such a horrible occurence.
 

ch'ang

artist in training
my life is more valuable to me than all others
Exactly, I wouldn't take a bullet for the president/prime minister or anyone for that matter, why should I? Does Bush/Tony have more of a right to live then me? And why do people care about honor so much, it is just the respect of your fellow peers which in itself would be nice but I wouldn't go out of my way to attain it let alone die for it. Trying to attain honor is like trying to be in fashoin; a shallow attempt to do what your peers think is commendable. Honor is a vain attempt of humans to make their lives feel like they have meaning and purpose
 

Smoke

Done here.
I don't think taking a bullet for somebody is the kind of thing you get much time to consider and reflect upon. It would have to be a pretty instinctive reaction. I seriously doubt my reaction would be to throw myself between Bush and a bullet. Given the fact that only true believers and shameless sycophants are allowed into the Potemkin villages that are Bush's public appearances, though, it's a sure bet we'll never find out.
 

Darkdale

World Leader Pretend
ch'ang said:
Honor is a vain attempt of humans to make their lives feel like they have meaning and purpose

Sadly, I think most people would agree with you. This is, after all, a very selfish culture.
 

Fluffy

A fool
I would. The political upheaval and war that would surely follow from an assassination of a Western political leader in the modern world is surely worth more than my life.
 

retrorich

SUPER NOT-A-MOD
There is only one person for whom I'd take a bullet (and without a second of hesitation): my partner of 30+ years, Joan. :)
 

ch'ang

artist in training
Sadly, I think most people would agree with you. This is, after all, a very selfish culture.
What is the point of taking a bullet for someone if I have no feelings for them, like I said before Bush doesn't deserve to live more than me, I have no personal feelings for him, and honor is no use if you’re dead so I have no reason to take a bullet for him. I am genuinely curious as to why you value honor so much that you would die trying to attain it
 

BUDDY

User of Aspercreme
Wow. It took me a good hour to read through this thread. I would like to think that I would be able to sacrifice myself for someone else. I know that I am willing to do so. "Greater love hath no man than this, that he should lay down his life for others." I know that they are merely words, but I would like to think that, if the opportunity presented itself, I could put those words into action. No one here can safely say what they would do if put into that situation though, and quite honestly, neither can I. The first time that I was ever shot at, I reacted to it quickly, but that was because of training. You can train yourself to be without hesitation and react to the situations that present themselves. If you have not trained yourself to react to this situation though, there is no telling what you may do. I would like to think that I could react quickly enough to a situation to save someone else from death, whether they are political figures or not. As far as the political questions is concerned, if through my death, I could improve the life of others, I guess there would be a little plus to it then. If I took a bullet for someone that I disagree with and think very poorly of, Clinton for example, maybe my sacrifice would open his eyes to contemplate my views and maybe that would cause him to re-evaluate some things. Maybe some good could come out of my death. I think self sacrifice is of great importance to all people. For those, like Jensa, who are prepared to sacrifice their time for charity, or for people like DD who are willing to sacrifice their life for someone elses. Both of these examples carry honor, because they are examples of people who recognize that there is something greater than themselves, act on it, and in turn make a great example to others about the love than mankind can have for each other. If we were all willing to self sacrifice each day, our time, money, etc., I think that this world would be a much better place.
 

ch'ang

artist in training
Both of these examples carry honor, because they are examples of people who recognize that there is something greater than themselves, act on it, and in turn make a great example to others about the love than mankind can have for each other. If we were all willing to self sacrifice each day, our time, money, etc., I think that this world would be a much better place.
I know that this is your opinion and you are entilted to it but I really couldn't disagree more, when everyone "takes one for the team" so to say does it really make the world a better place? If everyone in society has to give something up to make another thing better what does this accomplish? In my world view I think it is nice to help out people in need because you might be in that situation someday, but I don't understand those people who feel they need to self sacrafice as you put it on a daily basis. It seems vaugely masocistic and in my opinion accomplishes nothing.
 

BUDDY

User of Aspercreme
ch'ang said:
I know that this is your opinion and you are entilted to it but I really couldn't disagree more, when everyone "takes one for the team" so to say does it really make the world a better place? If everyone in society has to give something up to make another thing better what does this accomplish? In my world view I think it is nice to help out people in need because you might be in that situation someday, but I don't understand those people who feel they need to self sacrafice as you put it on a daily basis. It seems vaugely masocistic and in my opinion accomplishes nothing.
Okay, let's uncomplicate the issue and bring it down to comething more simplistic and maybe you will see what I mean. Let's say that I am driving one day, and someone cuts me off. I become angry, and frustrated beyond belief and my desire and response would normally be to drive up next to the guy and yel at him for being an idiot. I believe that I would not only be justified in doing this, but it will also make me feel better and do me some good in that sense. Let's say instead, I drive up next to him, smile and wave. I certianly haven't done anything to help myself. I have sacrificed my interest and my desire in order to do something that is good and decent for others. MAybe this guy will feel bad and not try to cut people off again. Maybe someone else will see my reaction and use it as an example of how to treat others. There are all types of cases where this type of self sacrificing attitude is honorable and good for everyone else, even though it may not be the immediate best thing for you or the person performing the self sacrificing act. This is my opinion, yes, but I really think that this is right.
 

ch'ang

artist in training
I see what you are saying but all those postive things you said only have a chance of happening, someone might learn something from what you do but that is a very small possiblity. On the other hand if you just tell the guy who cut you off how you feel it will make you feel better and open his eyes to your point of view. But most importantly what does holding your emotions back do for you? The answer is nothing, in fact it is even negative to your health. I guess my point is why do people feel they have to help others even at the expense of themselves?
 

Bastet

Vile Stove-Toucher
Geez. :biglaugh: Not only would I not take a bullet for him, I'd use him as a human shield.



On second thoughts, I think he's too short to be of any use to me in that capacity...
 

mrscardero

Kal-El's Mama
Orichalcum said:
Being in Britain under Tony Blair, I would have to say no. He has done a poor job in this country, needlessly dragging us off to war as a puppet of you know who ( No, not Voldermort :p ).

So there is no way I would take a bullet for this man.

How about you?
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