would you worship an evil god if you were 100% sure of his existence?

[ThirtyThree]

suppose you're 100% sure there's a god, an allmighty god, that created the universe and all the rest, and this god asks you to kill, rape, torture and plunder in his name.

if you worship him he will send you in heaven where all sort of good things happens to you.
if you refuse to worship him he will send you in hell where eternal pain and torture awaits you.

would you worship him?

Worship a certain god just because if I do not, I get tortured for all eternity? No. I will not worship a deity just because it threatens me with eternal damnation. Besides, my deity is already Evil and He does not permit me to worship other gods.

 

[LuisDantas]

suppose you're 100% sure there's a god, an allmighty god, that created the universe and all the rest, and this god asks you to kill, rape, torture and plunder in his name.

if you worship him he will send you in heaven where all sort of good things happens to you.
if you refuse to worship him he will send you in hell where eternal pain and torture awaits you.

would you worship him?

I would hope not.

 

[Godobeyer]

Then your no and never were disingenuous or at least not accurate depiction.


So there is by no standard a god could be evil. If God said doing something, anything was good then it's good regardless of anything? If God said raping 3 year Olds was good, you would agree?

I know it's a rather extreme and absurd question but I think it's strong demonstration

I think it's very extreme exemple that you post about God ,but real question is about this case :Who is YOU or ME to agree or disagree with God ?
I mean are we equal to Him or His partners ?

I mean if you get angry with your car , so you hit it by hummer , who will judge you for that ?

Is yours and may made it by your hands .

 

[wizanda]

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[cambridge79]

I would hope not.

what if i tell you that the victims of your rapes, kills and plunders will be granted a place in heaven too?


please notice that i'm not talking about a faith in an evil god. I'm talking about a scientific knowledge of such god, something that not even you and me would be able to deny.

 

[FearGod]

suppose you're 100% sure there's a god, an allmighty god, that created the universe and all the rest, and this god asks you to kill, rape, torture and plunder in his name.

if you worship him he will send you in heaven where all sort of good things happens to you.
if you refuse to worship him he will send you in hell where eternal pain and torture awaits you.

would you worship him?

I think the criminals and rapists will be happy with such God.

 

[cambridge79]

Yes, I would. He is a God, right?

this is probably the moment that nobody has seen coming, but i would like to agree with this guy this time.

 

[LuisDantas]

what if i tell you that the victims of your rapes, kills and plunders will be granted a place in heaven too?

"Both" of them?

Seriously, now, I am not sure what that would mean. Are we talking about an insane and evil God? In any case, evil is evil. By definition it must be healed, not supported.

please notice that i'm not talking about a faith in an evil god. I'm talking about a scientific knowledge of such god, something that not even you and me would be able to deny.

Then I would have to do whatever I could to destroy that God, of course.

 

[cambridge79]

Its hard to imagine that such an infantile god would exist and create a world and do such a thing. Its too far from my ability to conceive how I would act in such a situation. And it also seems like a lot of important information is missing from this hypothetical.

Are you really a jew? Are you aware that your god asked Moses to kill lot of people and enslave and rape lot of women back than?

 

[Tumah]

Are you really a jew? Are you aware that your god asked Moses to kill lot of people and enslave and rape lot of women back than?

That's an odd question. How much do you really know about Judaism?

 

[cambridge79]

"Both" of them?

Seriously, now, I am not sure what that would mean. Are we talking about an insane and evil God? In any case, evil is evil. By definition it must be healed, not supported.


Then I would have to do whatever I could to destroy that God, of course.

please consider that form the point of view of the believer morality is defined purely by god's will.
What god likes is good, what god dislike is evil.
Therefore according to this god i've presented in my example, raping and torture would be a good act, and sparing a life would be evil.

 

[cambridge79]

That's an odd question. How much do you really know about Judaism?

isn't the old testament of the bible more or less the same text jews use? I know that when Moses went down the mountain and found many people worshipping a golden calf he was than told directly by god to kill them all and he did. Than after the bloobath, they moved in the promise land where god gave them permission to kill those living there and take their women as slaves. Is the jew account of such episode any different?

i can link the biblical text if you want and you can tell me if it's the same story you have in jew tradition

i mentioned such subject because you said that you'll never worship such an evil god, yet the god you worship back in that episode ordered exactly that, so it seemed relevant

 

[LuisDantas]

please consider that form the point of view of the believer morality is defined purely by god's will.

I can't imagine myself accepting that. I would hopefully go mad outright to avoid the agony.

What god likes is good, what god dislike is evil.
Therefore according to this god i've presented in my example, raping and torture would be a good act, and sparing a life would be evil.

Pfeeh. Such a worm is no God.

 

[Tumah]

isn't the old testament of the bible more or less the same text jews use? I know that when Moses went down the mountain and found people worshipping a golden calf he was than told directly by god to kill them all and he did. Than they moved in the promise land where god gave them permission to kill those living there and take their women as slaves. Is the jew account of such episode any different?

i can link the text if you want and you can tell me if it's the same story you have in jew tradition

Yeah we do use the "OT" of the Bible, but we also use the Talmud, Midrash and other works which flesh out a lot of the stories as well as provides background and perspective for us. It would be more accurate to say that we view the Bible through the lens of the Talmud, etc. So we're not taking a lot at face value in it. You'd be surprised.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

suppose you're 100% sure there's a god, an allmighty god, that created the universe and all the rest, and this god asks you to kill, rape, torture and plunder in his name.

if you worship him he will send you in heaven where all sort of good things happens to you.
if you refuse to worship him he will send you in hell where eternal pain and torture awaits you.

would you worship him?

I find people's notions that they would choose their "morals" over an eternity of pain and torture to be rather amusing.

 

[cambridge79]

Yeah we do use the "OT" of the Bible, but we also use the Talmud, Midrash and other works which flesh out a lot of the stories as well as provides background and perspective for us. It would be more accurate to say that we view the Bible through the lens of the Talmud, etc. So we're not taking a lot at face value in it. You'd be surprised.

so can i ask you ( keeping it short ) what is the jewish interpretation filtered by the talmud, Midrash, etc. etc. of God asking Moses to kill all the people worshipping the golden calf? I'm referring to Exodus 32.27:

27 Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’”AX)" data-cr="#cen-NIV-2466AX" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;"> 28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. 29 Then Moses said, “You have been set apart to the Lord today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day.”

this looks dangerously close to the example i made in the opening post.

 

[Erebus]

I find people's notions that they would choose their "morals" over an eternity of pain and torture to be rather amusing.

A couple of days spent on fire would probably change most people's minds. I very much doubt the majority would last that long.

 

[cambridge79]

I find people's notions that they would choose their "morals" over an eternity of pain and torture to be rather amusing.

i agree on this. also in this hipotetical world their own moral would be completely different considering they would probably have been raised since the cradle thinking that plundering and killing for their god is a good thing.

 

[Tumah]

so can i ask you ( keeping it short ) what is the jewish interpretation filtered by the talmud, Midrash, etc. etc. of God asking Moses to kill all the people worshipping the golden calf? I'm referring to Exodus 32.27:

27 Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’”AX)" data-cr="#cen-NIV-2466AX" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;"> 28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. 29 Then Moses said, “You have been set apart to the Lord today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day.”

this looks dangerously close to the example i made in the opening post.

I don't see it as an example of that as all. Their death here is the means for their rectification or (if necessary) reincarnation. Within the framework of their sin, they are benefiting by now being able to move passed it to a more positive situation. Because death is not the final stop, its more like a healing surgery, difficult and painful, but ultimately beneficial.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Islam for my guess is the ONLY religion in world which encourage to free the slaves .

But it doesn't forbid the practice of slavery which is something we'd reasonably expect from the complete & true religion from the supreme source of morality in existence.

In old the wars (both sides take women and kids as slaves, non-Muslim and Muslims) ,it's legal to get the slaves.

Using women is in West is ulgy ,in some areas they put the women in shops , you choose one by money .
also stripper .

Pointing out that the infidel does it too doesn't excuse Muslims doing it.