Xi Humiliates U.S. and Kerry While Kerry Grovels over "Climate Change"

[jbg]

China’s Xi Rebuffs Kerry’s Call for Faster Climate Action (link). China has no interest in provoking their populace to revolt by lowering their living standards, despite "record heat." See As China Bakes in Record Heat, Kerry Presses Beijing on Climate Change (link, excerpt below):

Mr. Kerry has said that he hopes China will curb its rapid expansion of coal plants, and reduce its use of methane, a greenhouse gas. China has resisted taking those steps, arguing it is a developing country that must continue to use fossil fuels to support its economic development. Mr. Kerry’s visit to Beijing this week marked the resumption of climate talks between the United States and China, the world’s largest polluters, which had been stalled since August.

I am ashamed that our country's leaders grovel to China to seek that they do things they obviously won't. China promises to reach its peak emissions by 2030. If they decide not to stop growing what are we going to do, send in the troops?

Meanwhile, the U.S. and much of the rest of the West, or at least their leaders and elites, are jumping up and down like eager chimps to lower their population's standards of living.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Meanwhile, the U.S. and much of the rest of the West, or at least their leaders and elites, are jumping up and down like eager chimps to lower their population's standards of living.

 

[Subduction Zone]

China’s Xi Rebuffs Kerry’s Call for Faster Climate Action (link). China has no interest in provoking their populace to revolt by lowering their living standards, despite "record heat." See As China Bakes in Record Heat, Kerry Presses Beijing on Climate Change (link, excerpt below):

I am ashamed that our country's leaders grovel to China to seek that they do things they obviously won't. China promises to reach its peak emissions by 2030. If they decide not to stop growing what are we going to do, send in the troops?

Meanwhile, the U.S. and much of the rest of the West, or at least their leaders and elites, are jumping up and down like eager chimps to lower their population's standards of living.

Okay, I am confused. Where is the groveling? Why do you use scare quotes for "record heat"? Having a talk that is in everyone's best interests does not appear to be graveling to me.

At any rate perhaps we should be trying to influence other nations not to sell coal too China. Or at the very least to limit it.

 

[Debater Slayer]

The US is trying to talk China, the world's largest carbon emitter, into taking necessary action to avert the worst outcomes of the climate crisis. I don't see any groveling in that. Chinese leaders need to acknowledge that many people may not even have a habitable place to be if China and other major industrial countries don't take the necessary steps to reduce their environmental footprint. "Economic growth" won't raise any living standards or benefit the average person at that point.

 

[Twilight Hue]

China’s Xi Rebuffs Kerry’s Call for Faster Climate Action (link). China has no interest in provoking their populace to revolt by lowering their living standards, despite "record heat." See As China Bakes in Record Heat, Kerry Presses Beijing on Climate Change (link, excerpt below):

I am ashamed that our country's leaders grovel to China to seek that they do things they obviously won't. China promises to reach its peak emissions by 2030. If they decide not to stop growing what are we going to do, send in the troops?

Meanwhile, the U.S. and much of the rest of the West, or at least their leaders and elites, are jumping up and down like eager chimps to lower their population's standards of living.

You get what you deserve. Sadly it's what this country collectively wants for its leadership.

The rest of us who has no influence nor say in the matter will just have to adapt to the situation.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The US is trying to talk China, the world's largest carbon emitter, into taking necessary action to avert the worst outcomes of the climate crisis. I don't see any groveling in that. Chinese leaders need to acknowledge that many people may not even have a habitable place to be if China and other major industrial countries don't take the necessary steps to reduce their environmental footprint. "Economic growth" won't raise any living standards or benefit the average person at that point.

Some people need to see the actual fire first before they act.

Obviously it simply hasn't arrived to that point yet.

If it ever does.

 

[jbg]

The US is trying to talk China, the world's largest carbon emitter, into taking necessary action to avert the worst outcomes of the climate crisis. I don't see any groveling in that. Chinese leaders need to acknowledge that many people may not even have a habitable place to be if China and other major industrial countries don't take the necessary steps to reduce their environmental footprint. "Economic growth" won't raise any living standards or benefit the average person at that point.

The Chinese or at least their government is not going to buy this fantasy.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The Chinese or at least their government is not going to buy this fantasy.

What fantasy?

 

[jbg]

What fantasy?

Of man-made climate change. Of that climate change being reversible. Where do I start?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Of man-made climate change. Of that climate change being reversible. Where do I start?

Prove that man made climate change is false. That should be good. The other is just a misunderstanding on your part.

 

[SomeRandom]

Some people need to see the actual fire first before they act.

Obviously it simply hasn't arrived to that point yet.

If it ever does.

I actually agree with you here
But the folks who will suffer the consequences will be the future generations

Like damn even in primary (elementary) school I remember learning that.
So how can we look ourselves in the mirror, knowing that this is what we’ve left our grandkids. And in my case at least, known as much since childhood? That’s beyond philosophy or politics. That’s just innate evil. Damn!

Come on, It’d be easier on my soul if I sunk the titanic or something lol

 

[Mock Turtle]

China’s Xi Rebuffs Kerry’s Call for Faster Climate Action (link). China has no interest in provoking their populace to revolt by lowering their living standards, despite "record heat." See As China Bakes in Record Heat, Kerry Presses Beijing on Climate Change (link, excerpt below):

I am ashamed that our country's leaders grovel to China to seek that they do things they obviously won't. China promises to reach its peak emissions by 2030. If they decide not to stop growing what are we going to do, send in the troops?

Meanwhile, the U.S. and much of the rest of the West, or at least their leaders and elites, are jumping up and down like eager chimps to lower their population's standards of living.

You might want to look at energy consumption as to various countries - the right-hand column of the table:

World Energy Statistics - Worldometer

Global energy consumption live statistics. Percentage of renewable and non-renewable (fossil fuels: oil, natural gas, and coal). Energy consumption and production by country.

www.worldometers.info

And where China is hardly top, with 65 countries out of the 209 displayed having greater per capita consumption than China. And this besides the fact that so many countries have had a head start over others as to contributing to Climate Change. The consumption might be noticed as to being higher in colder or hotter countries - and for obvious reasons - but consumption as to lifestyle should also be obvious - as to the wealth status of such countries, like the USA, for example.

 

[F1fan]

Of man-made climate change. Of that climate change being reversible. Where do I start?

Oh, you're a climate change denier. I didn't know there were still some of you folks around. So you think humans can keep dumping greenhouse gas into the atmosphere and it won't have any affect?

 

[jbg]

Prove that man made climate change is false. That should be good. The other is just a misunderstanding on your part.

The burden of proof is on those that want to force changes, not on the preservers of the status quo.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

The burden of proof is on those that want to force changes, not on the preservers of the status quo.

That proof has been supplied consistently with clear evidence and identified mechanisms.

 

[Father Heathen]

It's rather pathetic how the fossil fuel lobby has managed to dupe dopes into denying science. Also, it seems that the more superstitious someone is, the more susceptible they are to being deceived and manipulated, since such people typically forgo critical thinking.

 

[Revoltingest]

I live in USA.
(Revoltistan is a landlocked country within.)
I don't feel humiliated.
Does any other Ameristanian?

 

[Father Heathen]

Some people need to see the actual fire first before they act.

The problem is that some can't see because they've got their nose pressed against their prostate.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The burden of proof is on those that want to force changes, not on the preservers of the status quo.

No, they have already met that. If you do not understand that is only your fault. You made a claim. That puts a burden of proof upon you. If you fail in supporting your claim and I know that you will, then we can discuss the science that you do not understand.

 

[Twilight Hue]

That proof has been supplied consistently with clear evidence and identified mechanisms.

Theoretical data and predictive modeling is an extremely poor way to go about convincing people.

People need to see the actual fire.

It's why there is so much difficulty getting people on board.