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Xmas-7 Points to acknowledge for the thinking man.

RevOxley_501

Well-Known Member
This is from my latest blog, wanted your thoughts on this.


December 17, 2006

Xmas-7 Points to acknowledge for the thinking man.

Its been a while since I took the time to write an entry---I have less and less time to actually do this lately---I miss it something terrible though. I think the main reason I haven’t done it though, is because all this Christmas ******** going around----I am so sick of it. I get so sick of explaining to people whom should know better why I don’t celebrate the holiday---and I am so sick of being attacked as a person because I do not celebrate it. AND WHOM are the worst ones about this? CHRISTIANS----

So lets set it straight for all the Jerry Fallwells of the world---

1: NO ONE is attacking Christmas--- People just don’t want to be badgered by a holiday that they don’t celebrate, so next time someone says “happy holidays” to you in walmart, and you get offended because they didn’t say Christmas---just shut the heck up.

2: There is no Christ in Christmas---there never was---wake the heck up folks---it’s a freaking pagan holiday with 100% purely pagan roots. What you are celebrating is a: The Phallic Tree, b: The Equinox (Saturnalia), c: The Birth of Mithra (Mithraimism), d:Natalis Solis Invicti and e: Yule . If you want Christ and Christmas to have anything to do with one another, you might just have to create a brand new holiday. SO STOP thinking that the “liberal media” is trying to secularize your holy day-it was secular from the beginning. AND DON’T give me this ******** about how YOU celebrate the BABY JESUS---because you know good and darn well you don’t. We were never asked to celebrate the birth, only the resurrection---so get over yourself.

3: Holiday greetings are more appropriate than Christmas Greetings---why? Because there are five major holidays during the time at which these phrases are used. 1:Kwanzaa, 2: Hanukkah, 3: Christmas (Saturnalia), 4: Thanksgiving, and 5: The New Year. I don’t hear any Jews getting ****** off about seeing Christmas trees at places, in fact, This article shows just how intolerant our nation is to other celebrations. And what’s funny is that Hanukkah is not at all pagan---REAL, BELIEVABLE miracles happened during those 8 days thousands of years ago. I don’t hear any African Americans angry because they don’t get Kinaras everywhere. Nope, no one cares but the Christians---but THEY think they are being attacked! Of all people, the CHRISTIANS, or should I say the evangelical church goers whom aren’t the least bit CHRISTIAN, are being attacked and berated by evil culture and media. OY VEY!

4: Christ was NOT a capitalist (philosophically speaking)---therefore there is NO WAY in hell he would have endorsed such a holiday. On that note, I doubt there are very many churches in this world He would have much to do with now though. Seeing as how the goal of the church is now to increase membership thereby increasing the funds raised in the plates, and thusly increasing the reach and scope of investments so that they can further their message. In the end a lot of church CEO’s are getting extremely rich from a perverted version of a FREE gospel.

5: Xmas=Christmas. So next time you see Xmas, don’t be offended---X=Chi in the greek alphabet, the first letter of Christ or XP (Chi-Ro). X is just as appropriate here as Christ---it is completely inappropriate to hold pagan holidays in the name of Christ.

6:Fundamentalist nutjobs (see Jerry Fallwell, the Southern Baptist Church, and Puritans et al) haven’t always approved of Christmas, It was even Banned by the Puritans in the 1700’s. Truth is unchanging---so why the change of heart?

7: I am not evil---as all men , I was born in sin, and thusly suffer from the same affliction of carnality that everyone else does. I do not think I am better than anyone---I simply know that I have made effort, unlike the majority of the decrepit church, to learn as much as I can so that I can KNOW God. I am no Gnostic, but I have Gnosis.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
This is so sad..... (just the fact that you felt the need to make the point). Humanity, whether it is about religious humanity, or secular humanity has only one goal to aim for...................Love.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
The fact that you (and, to be fair, most religious and atheists) need to make the point.

Surely we are "advanced enough" to be able to love for the sake of wanting to love - not for some future reward in heaven, but for the sheer point of loving.............the other point that needs to be aired is "Why is there a need to make a fuss over 'words' ?"
 

Pah

Uber all member
I will add:

I love Christmas. I love the religious customs of my youth.(carols, decorations and the Mass). I like to be greeted with "Merry Christmas" and I return that greeting. I do not, however, make the assumption that everyone I see at this time of year is a Christian, so, "Happy Holidays" goes out if I initiate a greeting.

I love the family when they gather to be festive together. The food and the gifts bespeak of the love shared in the family

I do resent, not the borrowing of other's customs and making them Christianity's by fiat, but the insistance from some quarters that I must, in America, consider the time and customs to be entirely a religiously Christian time and custom.

I hope that each and every one in RF share for themselves, thier familes, and their friends the joys I experience on this day and season.
 

rhb100

Member
RevOxley_501 said:
This is from my latest blog, wanted your thoughts on this.


December 17, 2006

Xmas-7 Points to acknowledge for the thinking man.

Its been a while since I took the time to write an entry---I have less and less time to actually do this lately---I miss it something terrible though. I think the main reason I haven’t done it though, is because all this Christmas ******** going around----I am so sick of it. I get so sick of explaining to people whom should know better why I don’t celebrate the holiday---and I am so sick of being attacked as a person because I do not celebrate it. AND WHOM are the worst ones about this? CHRISTIANS----

So lets set it straight for all the Jerry Fallwells of the world---

1: NO ONE is attacking Christmas--- People just don’t want to be badgered by a holiday that they don’t celebrate, so next time someone says “happy holidays” to you in walmart, and you get offended because they didn’t say Christmas---just shut the heck up.

2: There is no Christ in Christmas---there never was---wake the heck up folks---it’s a freaking pagan holiday with 100% purely pagan roots. ...

3: Holiday greetings are more appropriate than Christmas Greetings ...
4: Christ was NOT a capitalist (philosophically speaking
5: Xmas=Christmas. So next time you see Xmas, don’t be offended---X=Chi in the greek alphabet, the first letter of Christ or XP (Chi-Ro). X is just as appropriate here as Christ---it is completely inappropriate to hold pagan holidays in the name of Christ.

6:Fundamentalist nutjobs (see Jerry Fallwell, the Southern Baptist Church, and Puritans et al) haven’t always approved of Christmas, It was even Banned by the Puritans in the 1700’s. Truth is unchanging---so why the change of heart? ...

These are good points, RevOxley_501. It is great to read the post of an intelligent, thinking Christian after seeing so many of the other variety. Although I am familiar with the Greek alphabet from its use in mathematics and engineering, I never knew the history of the use of Xmas to abbreviate Christmas. Thank you for providing an explanation.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
RevOxley_501 said:
This is from my latest blog, wanted your thoughts on this.
Okay, but don't yell at me!

1: NO ONE is attacking Christmas--- People just don’t want to be badgered by a holiday that they don’t celebrate, so next time someone says “happy holidays” to you in walmart, and you get offended because they didn’t say Christmas---just shut the heck up.
I celebrate Christmas, and I'm always happy when someone wishes me a merry one. On the other hand, I frequent a store owned by a Jewish man. When I leave his store, after shopping for Christmas, he wishes me "Happy Holidays!" I say, "Happy Holidays to you, too!" No one is offended and no one has to shut up.

2: There is no Christ in Christmas---there never was---wake the heck up folks---it’s a freaking pagan holiday with 100% purely pagan roots....
DON’T give me this ******** about how YOU celebrate the BABY JESUS---because you know good and darn well you don’t. We were never asked to celebrate the birth, only the resurrection---so get over yourself.
Christ is in my Christmas, Rev. I'm really confused as to how you can claim to know what I personally celebrate. Regardless of the origins of the holiday, my Christmas season is filled to overflowing with thoughts of Christ, songs about Christ and stories of His birth.

3: Holiday greetings are more appropriate than Christmas Greetings---why? Because there are five major holidays during the time at which these phrases are used.
This article shows just how intolerant our nation is to other celebrations.
Nations are made up of individual people, some of whom are intolerant, others who are not. Personally, I am happy to see anyone celebrate the days that are special to them.

4: Christ was NOT a capitalist (philosophically speaking)---therefore there is NO WAY in hell he would have endorsed such a holiday.
Again, that's a matter of opinion. I personally don't feel He would have any problem with it at all.

Xmas=Christmas. So next time you see Xmas, don’t be offended---X=Chi in the greek alphabet, the first letter of Christ or XP (Chi-Ro). X is just as appropriate here as Christ---it is completely inappropriate to hold pagan holidays in the name of Christ.
I'm not offended by the word "Xmas."

6:Fundamentalist nutjobs (see Jerry Fallwell, the Southern Baptist Church, and Puritans et al) haven’t always approved of Christmas, It was even
Banned by the Puritans in the 1700’s. Truth is unchanging---so why the change of heart?
Well, I'm neither a fundamentalist nutjob, a Southern Baptist nor a Puritan so their beliefs are of little concern to me. The Latter-day Saints have always celebrated Christmas and since we're sort of on "the fringe" anyway, this is just one more way in which we choose to be different. It's not a matter of what "truth" is, anyway. The truth is, Jesus was born of a Virgin and laid in a manger. That's what I'm celebrating.

7: I am not evil---as all men , I was born in sin, and thusly suffer from the same affliction of carnality that everyone else does. I do not think I am better than anyone---I simply know that I have made effort, unlike the majority of the decrepit church, to learn as much as I can so that I can KNOW God. I am no Gnostic, but I have Gnosis.
I was born pure and clean, but became a sinner when I first sinned. Otherwise, I agree with pretty much everything you've said in this particular statement.
 

Random

Well-Known Member
In the spirit of Christmas, I have just drank a bottle of wine with my family and am very tipsy...yaaayyyyy! Happy Christmas!

Um, anyway. Yes, X-mas is a hoplessly derivative Pagan festival adopted by Christianity and YES it is a Consumerist orgy and nothing to do with the spirit of Christ's birth, but hey...who cares, right?!

It's all GOOD IN THE HOOD, BROTHER REVOXLEY!

Cheer up! Stop bloggin' negative! The end of the world as we percieve it is NIGH!!!

Yayyyyy!

Happy times. Be good to your brother and sister! For in each of us is the ONE!

best and GESUNDHEIT!
Conor
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
RevOxley_501 said:
This is from my latest blog, wanted your thoughts on this.

You asked for my thoughts. :p

RevOxley_501 said:
So lets set it straight for all the Jerry Fallwells of the world---

There are hardly any of those on these forums.

RevOxley_501 said:
1: NO ONE is attacking Christmas--- People just don’t want to be badgered by a holiday that they don’t celebrate, so next time someone says “happy holidays” to you in walmart, and you get offended because they didn’t say Christmas---just shut the heck up.-

I don't get offended, but if it is Christmas day, and I'm at the store, it wouldn't hurt to say Merry Christmas. On Hannakah, say Happy Hannakah, on any other holiday, just give the holiday wishes.

RevOxley_501 said:
2: There is no Christ in Christmas---there never was---wake the heck up folks---

Actually Christ has always been in Christmas. He's in my Christmas in most other Christians, Christmas celebrations. In fact, we read from the book of Luke about Christ's birth this morning.

RevOxley_501 said:
it’s a freaking pagan holiday with 100% purely pagan roots. What you are celebrating is a: The Phallic Tree, b: The Equinox (Saturnalia), c: The Birth of Mithra (Mithraimism), d:Natalis Solis Invicti and e: Yule .

The date is Pagan, and some of the traditions, stem from Pagan roots, but just because it is on a Pagan date, doesn't mean it isn't now a Christian holiday. Most everyone knows that it does have Pagan roots, but instead most Christians turn it into a Christian holiday with they focus on Christ, their Lord and Saviour.

RevOxley_501 said:
If you want Christ and Christmas to have anything to do with one another, you might just have to create a brand new holiday. SO STOP thinking that the “liberal media” is trying to secularize your holy day-it was secular from the beginning. AND DON’T give me this ******** about how YOU celebrate the BABY JESUS---because you know good and darn well you don’t. We were never asked to celebrate the birth, only the resurrection---so get over yourself..

Who are you asking to get over themselves? Most of us celebrate the baby Jesus and the birth of the Lord and Saviour of this world, the reason the Resurrection came about.

It's nice to know you think so much of the Lord's Resurrection, but not the CELEBRATION of His birth. It is not the day He was born, but at least we have a day during the year that we can celebrate His glorious appearance on this earth.
 

RevOxley_501

Well-Known Member
ohh guys,...that was directed at NOONE here---whatsoever, everybody here is cool

it mostly goes out to people with signs in their yards that say "Keep CHRIST in your Christmas" and to peopl whom i personally KNOW that get offended at the things i pointed out.

dont fee like im talking about anyone that does celebrate Christmas, i may not agree with it--and actually hate the season, but imnot judging anyone on these boards---i am pointing out fruits i see in REAL people(non internets people)
 

RevOxley_501

Well-Known Member
and YES, it was angry---i had just gotten one of my fundy uncles stupid email chains, and it sends me off on a tirade every time.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
RevOxley_501 said:
ohh guys,...that was directed at NOONE here---whatsoever, everybody here is cool

it mostly goes out to people with signs in their yards that say "Keep CHRIST in your Christmas" and to peopl whom i personally KNOW that get offended at the things i pointed out.

dont fee like im talking about anyone that does celebrate Christmas, i may not agree with it--and actually hate the season, but imnot judging anyone on these boards---i am pointing out fruits i see in REAL people(non internets people)
You've seen signs in people's yards saying "Keep CHRIST in your Christmas"? Wow! That is pretty over-the-top. I guess I just don't see that kind of fanaticism where I live, but that would bug me, too.
 

RevOxley_501

Well-Known Member
Katzpur said:
You've seen signs in people's yards saying "Keep CHRIST in your Christmas"? Wow! That is pretty over-the-top. I guess I just don't see that kind of fanaticism where I live, but that would bug me, too.

on of the local baptist churches is selling the signs----they are EVERY FREAKING WHERE. Churches and individuals are advertising in our local newspaper the same thing---i mean, im sick of it---how long can the church continue to be so darn ignorant of the origin of the holiday and nearly every single tradition allocated to it?

I can tolerate an ignorant muslim, or an ignorant athiest (as rare as they may be--ok im reading Dawkins new book currently so sue me), and i can handle an angry, mad, or just plain stupid anything else---but Christians--i simply can not tolerate stupid, ignorant, hypocritical Christians---why? Because they represent ME on a daily basis in a poor light.
 

may

Well-Known Member
RevOxley_501 said:
This is from my latest blog, wanted your thoughts on this.


December 17, 2006

Xmas-7 Points to acknowledge for the thinking man.

Its been a while since I took the time to write an entry---I have less and less time to actually do this lately---I miss it something terrible though. I think the main reason I haven’t done it though, is because all this Christmas ******** going around----I am so sick of it. I get so sick of explaining to people whom should know better why I don’t celebrate the holiday---and I am so sick of being attacked as a person because I do not celebrate it. AND WHOM are the worst ones about this? CHRISTIANS----

So lets set it straight for all the Jerry Fallwells of the world---

1: NO ONE is attacking Christmas--- People just don’t want to be badgered by a holiday that they don’t celebrate, so next time someone says “happy holidays” to you in walmart, and you get offended because they didn’t say Christmas---just shut the heck up.

2: There is no Christ in Christmas---there never was---wake the heck up folks---it’s a freaking pagan holiday with 100% purely pagan roots. What you are celebrating is a: The Phallic Tree, b: The Equinox (Saturnalia), c: The Birth of Mithra (Mithraimism), d:Natalis Solis Invicti and e: Yule . If you want Christ and Christmas to have anything to do with one another, you might just have to create a brand new holiday. SO STOP thinking that the “liberal media” is trying to secularize your holy day-it was secular from the beginning. AND DON’T give me this ******** about how YOU celebrate the BABY JESUS---because you know good and darn well you don’t. We were never asked to celebrate the birth, only the resurrection---so get over yourself.

3: Holiday greetings are more appropriate than Christmas Greetings---why? Because there are five major holidays during the time at which these phrases are used. 1:Kwanzaa, 2: Hanukkah, 3: Christmas (Saturnalia), 4: Thanksgiving, and 5: The New Year. I don’t hear any Jews getting ****** off about seeing Christmas trees at places, in fact, This article shows just how intolerant our nation is to other celebrations. And what’s funny is that Hanukkah is not at all pagan---REAL, BELIEVABLE miracles happened during those 8 days thousands of years ago. I don’t hear any African Americans angry because they don’t get Kinaras everywhere. Nope, no one cares but the Christians---but THEY think they are being attacked! Of all people, the CHRISTIANS, or should I say the evangelical church goers whom aren’t the least bit CHRISTIAN, are being attacked and berated by evil culture and media. OY VEY!

4: Christ was NOT a capitalist (philosophically speaking)---therefore there is NO WAY in hell he would have endorsed such a holiday. On that note, I doubt there are very many churches in this world He would have much to do with now though. Seeing as how the goal of the church is now to increase membership thereby increasing the funds raised in the plates, and thusly increasing the reach and scope of investments so that they can further their message. In the end a lot of church CEO’s are getting extremely rich from a perverted version of a FREE gospel.

5: Xmas=Christmas. So next time you see Xmas, don’t be offended---X=Chi in the greek alphabet, the first letter of Christ or XP (Chi-Ro). X is just as appropriate here as Christ---it is completely inappropriate to hold pagan holidays in the name of Christ.

6:Fundamentalist nutjobs (see Jerry Fallwell, the Southern Baptist Church, and Puritans et al) haven’t always approved of Christmas, It was even Banned by the Puritans in the 1700’s. Truth is unchanging---so why the change of heart?

7: I am not evil---as all men , I was born in sin, and thusly suffer from the same affliction of carnality that everyone else does. I do not think I am better than anyone---I simply know that I have made effort, unlike the majority of the decrepit church, to learn as much as I can so that I can KNOW God. I am no Gnostic, but I have Gnosis.
Its good to see that you have done your homework and you are enlightened to the facts about christmas ,and yes you are right to want to know and understand knowledge about God . because getting to know the true God and his son Jesus christ is the way to everlasting life...as John 17;3 tells us
This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. ............... and the bible is the place to find out about the true God and Jesus christ .

That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah,​

You alone are the Most High over all the earth. psalm 83;18.................
For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. John 3;16................... the bible does not tell us to take on board pagan worship , infact i would say it tells us to not mix our worship with other beliefs. but so called christians have been misled by false religious teachers ...... not good
 

darkpenguin

Charismatic Enigma
RevOxley_501 said:
2: There is no Christ in Christmas---there never was---wake the heck up folks---it’s a freaking pagan holiday with 100% purely pagan roots. What you are celebrating is a: The Phallic Tree, b: The Equinox (Saturnalia), c: The Birth of Mithra (Mithraimism), d:Natalis Solis Invicti and e: Yule . If you want Christ and Christmas to have anything to do with one another, you might just have to create a brand new holiday. SO STOP thinking that the “liberal media” is trying to secularize your holy day-it was secular from the beginning. AND DON’T give me this ******** about how YOU celebrate the BABY JESUS---because you know good and darn well you don’t. We were never asked to celebrate the birth, only the resurrection---so get over yourself.

Yay a christian who actually get it! Me is happy now :)
 

darkpenguin

Charismatic Enigma
RevOxley_501 said:
<tries not to fit the stereotype


but i cant escape the "are you a JW?" question EVERY TIME.

Sorry it wasn't having a dig at you, i'm actually quite impressed. I wish more christians would think your way!
 

logician

Well-Known Member
"The truth is, Jesus was born of a Virgin and laid in a manger. "

The real truth is, Jesus never existed - he's a myth like all gods.
 

lizskid

BANNED
Rex, you bring out many interesting points that are absolutely true. This time of year is not related to Christ's birth, since it is most recognized as occuring in the Spring, but to pagan tradition. You also bring out the concept of excess, which, I think we can all relate to in the way that Christmas has become, to many, about material gifts. However, there are also those who do relate it to the Christian spiritual activities, such as the reflection and celebration in worship.

It is unfortunate that you are being bombarded with these psuedoChristian approaches, such as the emails, etc. Even being a Christian, I am, too, irritated and appalled at some of the attitudes, marketing and the like that goes in the name of Christian love.

Good points, no offense taken. I thank God we don't have a lot of Jerry Falwells here.
 
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