Xtians and the Commandments

[The Enlightened One]

In my opinion, early Christians broke the ten commandments by Worshiping Jesus. I was once Christian until the idea of Jesus being God in human form was forced upon me. No other Christians that I knew at the time shared the same belief that Jesus was just a man on earth sent to do God's work(since then, however, my beliefs have changed, and now I don't believe in ANY deity). My question to everybody who reads this is not whether or not they believe Jesus is God or not(however, I would be interested in knowing your input on that as well), but whether or not you feel as if one of the ten commandments were broken by Christians believing and worshiping a man on earth as God. What are your opinions?

 

[Archer]

Most early Christians were not Jews. If he was believed to be the son of God, God in human form and the many other things then I dont think that the commandment was broken, as was said, Matthew 5: 17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished"

And on the cross:John 19: 30When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

He had accomplished what he came to do. So early believers (Jew) were not under the law and gentiles never were, if this line of thinking is followed.

What was accomplished? Well the law is still with us but Jesus paid the price. We are now under grace.

 

[The Enlightened One]

Most early Christians were not Jews. If he was believed to be the son of God, God in human form and the many other things then I dont think that the commandment was broken

Interesting take on it. Under that logic, Christians who believe that he's God should be exempt from following the commandments(well, to a degree. Most of the commandments are common sense things that most people would do without religious dogma in the first place). So what are your thoughts on modern Christianity and the commandments?

 

[Archer]

Interesting take on it. Under that logic, Christians who believe that he's God should be exempt from following the commandments(well, to a degree. Most of the commandments are common sense things that most people would do without religious dogma in the first place). So what are your thoughts on modern Christianity and the commandments?

They still stand as a moral code, Jesus did not take them away.

36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[a] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[b] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

When you sum everything up we are actually held to a higher standard and most of the ordinances and laws other than the commandments were wiped off the books.

Everything from old that stands in the new has been reaffirmed, those that have not been reaffirmed are done away with.

 

[Sola'lor]

In my opinion, early Christians broke the ten commandments by Worshiping Jesus. I was once Christian until the idea of Jesus being God in human form was forced upon me. No other Christians that I knew at the time shared the same belief that Jesus was just a man on earth sent to do God's work(since then, however, my beliefs have changed, and now I don't believe in ANY deity). My question to everybody who reads this is not whether or not they believe Jesus is God or not(however, I would be interested in knowing your input on that as well), but whether or not you feel as if one of the ten commandments were broken by Christians believing and worshiping a man on earth as God. What are your opinions?

I'm not sure about early Christians but I think there were many differing views. I don't worship Jesus. I worship God the Father.

 

[Dunemeister]

My question to everybody who reads this is not whether or not they believe Jesus is God or not (however, I would be interested in knowing your input on that as well), but whether or not you feel as if one of the ten commandments were broken by Christians believing and worshiping a man on earth as God. What are your opinions?

These questions are closely related. If you believe Jesus is God, it follows that it is not breaking a commandment to worship him. If you believe Jesus is not God, it follows that worshipping him is a violation of the commandments. Answering either question a certain way entails a certain answer for the other question. So it really does come down to this: Was/Is Jesus God (YHWH) incarnate? It seems difficult to interpret him in any other way (logician and dogsgod, this is your cue to chime in with your "Jesus is a myth" nonsense).

Most early Christians were not Jews.

Actually the case is quite the opposite. Most early Christians were Jews. Most of the New Testament (possible exceptions: GosMark, GosLuke, Acts) was written by Jews. It took several decades for Gentiles to become a significant factor, and it took several centuries for Gentile philosophy to almost completely obscure Christianity's Jewish origins.

 

[blackout]

You see no one as god.

I see everyone as gOd.
Their god potential need only be realized/REALized.

When I last considered mySelf christian,
I was christian only on the basis
of the Kingdom teachings of jesus.
I felt those teachings all pointed
to the idea that we are ALL to be Christs.

To me, the word "wer'shape" means to form One'self,
shape OneSelf in some image.
(whatever that may be).
To shape yourSelf in the I'mage of the Christ'hood,
is to BEcome a Christ yourSelf.

I actually see the idea that there is only one "christ"
as detritmental to people's potential shaping of Self.

It's like saying.... well You're that....
and there can only be one of those....
so I can't be that too.

 

[Dunemeister]

You see no one as god.

I see everyone as gOd.

What's the difference (besides the crazy syntax)?

 

[blackout]

What's the difference (besides the crazy syntax)?

perceptiOn.

 

[Dunemeister]

perceptiOn.

Not to mention the misunderstanding of the question.

 

[The Enlightened One]

I've never thought of it like that. I was thinking too broadly(how other Christians may view them, if they oppose the trinity). The "Commandmentality"(for lack of a better word, I replaced constitutional with commandmental; hate it or love it, it's my word now ) of it lies solely in the perception of the individual, not the group. Like the saying; whats right to one may be wrong to others. Only vice versa.
Maybe I've just had too many :cigar:'s
Thank you all for your feed back, extra Kudos to Archer and Dunemeister.

UltraViolet - Maybe you could elaborate just a little more for me. )(

 

[blackout]

I've never thought of it like that. I was thinking too broadly(how other Christians may view them, if they oppose the trinity). The "Commandmentality"(for lack of a better word, I replaced constitutional with commandmental; hate it or love it, it's my word now ) of it lies solely in the perception of the individual, not the group. Like the saying; whats right to one may be wrong to others. Only vice versa.
Maybe I've just had too many :cigar:'s
Thank you all for your feed back, extra Kudos to Archer and Dunemeister.

UltraViolet - Maybe you could elaborate just a little more for me. )(

Not sure what else I should say?

Can you tell me exactly what it is you'd like me to elaborate on?

 

[Archer]

These questions are closely related. If you believe Jesus is God, it follows that it is not breaking a commandment to worship him. If you believe Jesus is not God, it follows that worshipping him is a violation of the commandments. Answering either question a certain way entails a certain answer for the other question. So it really does come down to this: Was/Is Jesus God (YHWH) incarnate? It seems difficult to interpret him in any other way (logician and dogsgod, this is your cue to chime in with your "Jesus is a myth" nonsense).


Actually the case is quite the opposite. Most early Christians were Jews. Most of the New Testament (possible exceptions: GosMark, GosLuke, Acts) was written by Jews. It took several decades for Gentiles to become a significant factor, and it took several centuries for Gentile philosophy to almost completely obscure Christianity's Jewish origins.

When I say early I do not mean the initial ones. There is no doubt they were Jews in the beginning but by ~300CE Christianity had spread out.

Most (that I know) accept Jesus as the Son of God and with the power of God we worship the father through the son.

 

[The Enlightened One]

Not sure what else I should say?

Can you tell me exactly what it is you'd like me to elaborate on?

Lol sorry. I was just wondering what you mean by your use of the word christ(god, metaphor for something else, ect...)
Also I was curious about their god potential being "realized/REALized", more specifically the latter of the two. Are you putting emphasis on real?
Last thing I was curious about was the phrase "I see everyone as god". I myself, being a Satanist, interpret this as everybody is their own god. How do you mean it?

Thanks

 

[Green Kepi]

Hope you all do not mind my 'jumping in'? As a Christian, I've come to the conclusion that I do believe in the 3 of the Godhead. Jesus did not pray to Himself while on earth in human form...He prayed to the Father and the Holy Spirit serves the two. It's sort of like comparing them to H20. It can be in 3 forms...ice, steam, or liquid; but...its still water. They are one but 3 different entities.

I suppose the topic of that Christians not being under the old Mosaic Law has been debated 'to a state of nausea'. However, a Christian is now under the Law of Christ...and that is "love". That is the only one we are now under.

 

[logician]

In my opinion, early Christians broke the ten commandments by Worshiping Jesus. I was once Christian until the idea of Jesus being God in human form was forced upon me. No other Christians that I knew at the time shared the same belief that Jesus was just a man on earth sent to do God's work(since then, however, my beliefs have changed, and now I don't believe in ANY deity). My question to everybody who reads this is not whether or not they believe Jesus is God or not(however, I would be interested in knowing your input on that as well), but whether or not you feel as if one of the ten commandments were broken by Christians believing and worshiping a man on earth as God. What are your opinions?

The corrollary to this was that for a Jew to claim to be a god was considered blasphemous.:sleep:

 

[Happy1]

Jesus was the son. I think he made that clear over and over. Any worship or praise was directed to God for the wonderful connection he sent. My question is you can't believe in Christ how can you belive in Satan? And what is the benefit in it? IN other words "What's in it for you"?

Many Blessings to you
The Happy1

 

[Rainbow Mage]

I would argue that Jesus never intended to start a movement anything like Judaism. In fact, Jesus called the Pharisees whited scheplecures, he said that one does not sew an old patch into a new garment because it would create a tear. The New Testament also speaks of two laws, the law of Moses, and the law of Christ.

 

[kingdombuilder]

In my opinion, early Christians broke the ten commandments by Worshiping Jesus. I was once Christian until the idea of Jesus being God in human form was forced upon me. No other Christians that I knew at the time shared the same belief that Jesus was just a man on earth sent to do God's work(since then, however, my beliefs have changed, and now I don't believe in ANY deity). My question to everybody who reads this is not whether or not they believe Jesus is God or not(however, I would be interested in knowing your input on that as well), but whether or not you feel as if one of the ten commandments were broken by Christians believing and worshiping a man on earth as God. What are your opinions?

- No, they did not. That is to say, if Jesus is God as He claimed to be then it would actually be correct to say that anyone who did not worship Jesus were the one's breaking the first 4 commandments of the 10.

- No other true Bible believing Christians that you knew should have believed otherwise.

- I'd be interested to "hear" why your beliefs changed and why you do not believe in any deity (at least in the traditional sense of the term).

 

[The Enlightened One]

Thank you all for your input.

- No, they did not. That is to say, if Jesus is God as He claimed to be then it would actually be correct to say that anyone who did not worship Jesus were the one's breaking the first 4 commandments of the 10.

- No other true Bible believing Christians that you knew should have believed otherwise.

- I'd be interested to "hear" why your beliefs changed and why you do not believe in any deity (at least in the traditional sense of the term).

I felt conflicted with a belief in any particular deity or deities. Over the years my faith had waned so I started to question it and, at the same time, started looking into some of the other religions.
Ultimately I decided that it would be plausable for any of them to be correct or all of them to be correct(perhaps just misinterpreted). I also found it just as likely that the universe and life was created by a random and lucky set of circumstances.
Long story short, that's what led me down my current path.