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Yajurveda rejects Atheism?!. Does it?

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
They why did Zoroaster prayed to G-d/Ahura-Mazda, he was neither a pagan nor a believer in many gods. Was he? Please
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He grew up in a culture where many gods were worshipped and didn't write the Gathas until relatively late in his life. So he was either a Pagan worshipping many gods, or an atheist, believing in none of them up until he converted to Mazda worship. Just like Muhammad would have been in his formative years before he worshipped Allah alone.
 
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paarsurrey

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Personally I think Buddha as avatar, and others to follow, is just a distortion, coming from pride of the followers. Some have put Christ there as well, and in modern days, the likes of both Sai Babas, Adi Da, Aurobindo, and several other modern day gurus. It's now no more than some honorary title. The avatar HH Sri Sri Sri Sri MahaGuru Beloved the Great _______________ (insert your guru's name here). Personally I find it bordering on silliness. Part of the reason I don't believe.

Kindly permit me, if one may, to agree with one here, only colored in magenta. Please
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paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Who was Zoroaster? I've never heard of anybody like that? Was he one of the Vedic seers? What does he have to do with the Vedas? Why do you keep going off topic like this?
Zoroaster was a Prophet of G-d in ancient times in Iran. He was a believer in ONENESS of G-d whose name in his language was Ahura-Mazda, the poster whom I was responding @A Greased Scotsman is a follower of Zoroaster. Please
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Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Zoroaster was a Prophet of G-d in ancient times in Iran. He was a believer in ONENESS of G-d whose name in his language was Ahura-Mazda, the poster whom I was responding @A Greased Scotsman is a follower of Zoroaster. Please
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Yes I know. My statement was to show how irrelevant Zoroaster is to Hinduism. Just as Jesus and Muhammed and all other prophets are irrelevant. But you didn't understand that level of sarcasm. For that I'm sorry.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Yes I know. My statement was to show how irrelevant Zoroaster is to Hinduism. Just as Jesus and Muhammed and all other prophets are irrelevant. But you didn't understand that level of sarcasm. For that I'm sorry.

Zoroaster used the word prophet for himself, Yajurveda uses some others in its own language and culture:

"The Hindu concept of Rishis is similar to the concept of prophets. The Sanskrit word Rishi is loosely translated into English as "seer" (a prophet, a man who can foresee the future). Hinduism recognizes and reveres thousands of Rishis, who can be thought of as the collective founders of the Hindu religion over many millennia. Of these, special importance is given to the Saptarshi (the Seven Sages), widely regarded as patriarchs of the Hindu religion, whose listing is different according to different texts. The Saptarshi and their clans are believed to have composed the hymns of the four Vedas by entering into communion with the Supreme Cosmic Spirit through meditation. For instance, Rigveda 1.1 is attributed to Rishi Madhucchandā Vaishwāmitra (i.e. Madhucchandā of the clan of Vishwamitra). "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophet#Hinduism

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Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Zoroaster was a Prophet of G-d in ancient times in Iran. He was a believer in ONENESS of G-d ..
Paarsurrey, for you, someone who believes in oneness of God is true. For me, one who believes in oneness is true (that obliterates/removes God from the scene). Individual views. Nothing much to carp about.

Rishi is one who write a verse or hymn (Richa). Many things are said about some rishes, they could do nearly all that a God could do, Gods fulfilled whatever they said including giving life to a person who was dead and changing fates. But that is more in mythology and believing or disbelieving that is a person's choice. Not all rishis had the same power. The highest were termed as Brahma Rishi.

Yes, the names of the Saptashris differ from one eon to another and we believe in many eons. Also there were different Adams for different eons (We name them as Manu) and different Indras (Chiefs of lesser Gods). See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manvantara#Manus_of_the_.C5.9Aveta_V.C4.81r.C4.81ha_Kalpa
 
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paarsurrey

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Yajurveda rejects Atheism?!. Does it?

Atheism has no concept of soul in a human being.
Veda believes it. Isn't it rejection of Atheism?Please
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Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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Yajurveda rejects Atheism?!. Does it?

Atheism has no concept of soul in a human being.
Veda believes it. Isn't it rejection of Atheism?Please
Regards

What's your point? We've already said ad nauseum and ad infinitum that the Vedas can be interpreted in many ways. How many more ways and time can we say this?
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Yajurveda rejects Atheism?!. Does it?

Atheism has no concept of soul in a human being.
Veda believes it. Isn't it rejection of Atheism?Please
Regards
Atheism is disbelief in a God, not necessarily in a soul.

Is it so hard for you to accept that not everyone feels a compulsion for rejecting everyone else?
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Yajurveda rejects Atheism?!. Does it?

The word "God" is mentioned 920 times in Yajurveda:

https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt

Isn't it rejection of Atheism by Yajurveda? Please

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Plainly NO.

Actually, make that, "Heck, no. What ARE you thinking anyway?"

Just because the Vedas use a concept - and incidentally, that concept is not "Allah", but rather "Veda", far as I know, and those are definitely NOT one and the same - it does not mean that they have to saddle that concept with Islamic expectations as you do.

Hey, the word "God" is mentioned several times in "God Is Not Great" as well.

Are you truly so desperate to convince others that they should emulate your own religious expectations despite the complete absence of any reason to worry about it?

If you are worried about our failure to partake on God's grace in heaven because we refused to accept Islaam, let go of it. You are actually insulting your God by presuming him to be so immature. I would not, could not respect such a God even if he did exist.

Which he does not.
 
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Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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But look at all the slokas where God is not mentioned.

And if we take a larger sampling we have Mantra Pushpam from the Yajur Veda which has not a single mention of God. Rather, it talks about knowing oneself.

Well... now wait, let's think this through... maybe then it is talking about God. ;)
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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I say that mantra every day.

Me too, almost every day and after every home puja. You had to get me started! :D I don't know why, but even though I don't understand every word, I love it. I try to follow the priests, but yeah well... OK... :D

Did you know (probably did), it refers not to the flowers being offered to Deity, but reference to it being The Flower of the Vedas? From Taithreeya Aranyakam of Yajur Veda. Anyone listening!? :p

It took me forever to get past yopsunavam pratistitam veda pratyeva tistati. Just this week I got rajadhi rajāya prasahya sahine. I kept missing the ya of prasahya, and kept throwing off my metre.

Here's the version I use (yes of course I made a booklet! :D). The transliteration is probably off, but I learned it by chanting along with a YT video I downloaded to my iTunes:


oṁ yo'pām pushpam veda pushpavān prajāvān pashumān bhavathi
chandramāvā apām pushpam-hm
pushpavān prajāvān pashumān bhavathi
ya evam veda yo'pām āyathanam veda āyathanavān bhavathi

agnirvā apām āyathanam āyathanavān bhavathi
yo agner āyathanam veda āyathanavān bhavathi
āpovā agner āyathanam āyathanavān bhavathi
ya evam veda yo apām āyathanam veda āyathanavān bhavathi

vāyurvā apām āyathanam āyathanavān bhavathi
yo vāyor āyathanam veda āyathanavān bhavathi
āpovai vāyor āyathanam āyathanavān bhavathi
ya evam veda yo'pām āyathanam veda āyathanavān bhavathi

asowvai thapannapām āyathanam āyathanavān bhavathi
yo amushya thapatha āyathanam veda āyathanavān bhavathi
āpovāmushya thapatha āyathanam āyathanavān bhavathi
ya evam veda yo apām āyathanam veda āyathanavān bhavathi

chandramāvā apām āyathanam āyathanavān bhavathi
yas chandramasa āyathanam veda āyathanavān bhavathi
āpovai chandramasa āyathanam āyathanavān bhavathi
ya evam veda yo'pām āyathanam veda āyathanavān bhavathi

nakshathrānivā apām āyathanam āyathanavān bhavathi
yo nakshathrānām āyathanam veda āyathanavān bhavathi
āpovai nakshathrānām āyathanam āyathanavān bhavathi
ya evam veda yo apām āyathanam veda āyathanavān bhavathi

parjanyovā apām āyathanam āyathanavān bhavathi
ya parjanyasya āyathanam veda āyathanavān bhavathi
āpovai parjanyasya āyathanam āyathanavān bhavathi
ya evam veda yo apām āyathanam veda āyathanavān bhavathi

samvatsarovā apām āyathanam āyathanavān bhavathi
yas samvatsarasya āyathanam veda āyathanavān bhavathi
āpovai samvatsarasya āyathanam āyathanavān bhavathi ya evam veda

yo'psunāvam prathishthithām veda prathyeva thisthathi
rajadhi rajāya prasahya sahine namo vayam vai sravanāya kurmahe
samekaman kama kamāya mahyaM kameshvaro vai sravano dadatu
kuberāya vai shravanāya mahārajāya namaha

For those (like me) who don't know the literal translation, I present to you the English:

He who understands the flowers of water, He becomes the possessor of flowers, children and cattle.
Moon is the flower of the water, He who understands this fact,
He becomes the possessor of flowers, children and cattle.
He who knows the source of water, Becomes established in himself,

Fire is the source of water, He who knows this, Becomes established in himself,
Water is the source of fire, He who knows this, Becomes established in himself.
He who knows the source of water, Becomes established in himself,

Air is the source of water, He who knows this, Becomes established in himself,
Water is the source of air, He who knows this, Becomes established in himself.
He who knows the source of water, Becomes established in himself,

Scorching sun is the source of water, He who knows this,
Becomes established in himself, Water is the source of scorching sun,
He who knows this, Becomes established in himself.
He who knows the source of water, Becomes established in himself,

Moon is the source of water, He who knows this, Becomes established in himself,
Water is the source of moon, He who knows this, Becomes established in himself.
He who knows the source of water, Becomes established in himself,

Stars are the source of water, He who knows this, Becomes established in himself,
Water is the source of stars, He who knows this, Becomes established in himself.
He who knows the source of water, Becomes established in himself,

Clouds are the source of water, He who knows this, Becomes established in himself,
Water is the source of clouds, He who knows this, Becomes established in himself.
He who knows the source of water, Becomes established in himself,

Rainy season is the source of water, He who knows this, Becomes established in himself,
Water is the source of rainy season, He who knows this, Becomes established in himself.
He who knows that there is a raft is available, Becomes established in that raft.

King of kings, we praise thee, Who is the giver of all victories, Who is the fulfiller of all desires,
Please bless me with wealth, To fulfill all our desires,
Oh, Kubera, we praise thee, Salutations to the king of kings.
 
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