Yemeni child bride dies after internal bleeding on marriage night

[FearGod]

On an individual basis I mainly agree with you.

However, on an institutional basis I vehemently disagree. If muslim-dominated societies display certain behaviours, condoned by the state, (eg torture), but these behaviours are rare and considered reprehensible in many non-muslim ones, what is one to make of the difference?

If knowing that a society is muslim-dominated leads to successful prediction that murderous religious intolerance, mysogyny, corruption, torture etc are common in that society, what is one to conclude?

Of course, it may be that the influence is opposite to what may seem obvious: islam may make people barbarous, or barbarians may be particularly attracted to islam. I'm not sure how one would decide.

Women during the Islamic empire have a high position and that is why women are well protected even from the eyes of men that may think to look with dirty eyes to their bodies,it is to say i am not just a body.

Women are well protected as not to be hired by men for one night pleasure or even by USD ?/hour,prostition in Islam is forbidden as it hurts women's dignity.

One story for a woman that have been insulted by a disbeliever in the era of Khalifa Al Mu'tasim,the khalifa sent his army and under his command to save the dignity of that woman.

Of course nowadays there is no islamic states and those leaders of nowadays are signs of the end of times which is happening in front of hour eyes exactly as foretold by the prophet.

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Hadith: Return of the Khilafah - YouTube

 

[payak]

it is like saying if there is crimes and rapists then we have to blame the law.

The same thing that we blame religion for terrorist attacks which actually is forbidden in Islam to kill any innocent person and wars only should be against
oppressors and for defending puroposes.

IMHO it is sort of crap to blame religion for all awful things happeneing in this world.

Yes however when they strike out at their so called oppressors the extremist target innocent civilians, and a great deal of moderate Muslims cheer them on excitedly.

The taxi drivers outside Sydney airport were jumping for joy when 911 happened.

do you consider the USA to be oppressors in your oppinion?

 

[FearGod]

Yes however when they strike out at their so called oppressors the extremist target innocent civilians, and a great deal of moderate Muslims cheer them on excitedly.

The taxi drivers outside Sydney airport were jumping for joy when 911 happened.

do you consider the USA to be oppressors in your oppinion?

i think that you should have asked those drivers to show you their IDs so in order to know that they were real muslims.

Are you still thinking that 9 11 were planned by those living in the stone age in Afghanistan.

Please just search for the truth by google and youtube where many smart Ameicans found the truth by themselves.

[youtube]i6Fr5QqjH7A[/youtube]
9/11 FACTS - SHOCKING - PROOF - ILLUMINATI NWO EXPOSED - YouTube

 

[payak]

i think that you should have asked those drivers to show you their IDs so in order to know that they were real muslims.

Are you still thinking that 9 11 were planned by those living in the stone age in Afghanistan.

Please just search for the truth by google and youtube where many smart Ameicans found the truth by themselves.

[youtube]i6Fr5QqjH7A[/youtube]
9/11 FACTS - SHOCKING - PROOF - ILLUMINATI NWO EXPOSED - YouTube

The illuminati,you have got to be kidding me,you probably believe Elvis is alive and Bruce lee was killed by ninjas.

When bin laden made all those videos let me guess, he was really preaching about peace and love and the evil illuminatti dubbed his voice with messages of jihad.

 

[payak]

No need to check ids either, they were shouting Allah akbar, so in assuming they were not Mormons.

 

[Assad91]

Are you still thinking that 9 11 were planned by those living in the stone age in Afghanistan.

Please just search for the truth by google and youtube where many smart Ameicans found the truth by themselves.

[youtube]i6Fr5QqjH7A[/youtube]
9/11 FACTS - SHOCKING - PROOF - ILLUMINATI NWO EXPOSED - YouTube

Osama bin Laden was anything but an Afghani living in the stone age lol. More like one of the kids from one of the most privledged and wealthiest families in Saudi Arabia.

Also, he confessed and made a 'documentary' on it.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Women during the Islamic empire have a high position and that is why women are well protected even from the eyes of men that may think to look with dirty eyes to their bodies,it is to say i am not just a body.

That is a good explanation and you also could mention that as a woman grows older she is looked upon the same as a young attractive woman. I understand the logic behind that. It is a cultural thing.

I have many good relationships with moderate Muslims in my country. I respect our differences and embrace what we have in common. Please accept my next comment accordingly.

As to the topic of this thread, I would think this child should have been protected from more than just eyes. Her husband should have realized she was not ready to consummate the marriage and should have stopped before killing his bride.

In this instance, I'm not seeing much respect for women at all.

There is right and there is wrong in every culture and what happened was very wrong in this instance.

Her husband had to know he was hurting her and that he was doing wrong and did not care about his new bride.

 

[FearGod]

That is a good explanation and you also could mention that as a woman grows older she is looked upon the same as a young attractive woman. I understand the logic behind that. It is a cultural thing.

I have many good relationships with moderate Muslims in my country. I respect our differences and embrace what we have in common. Please accept my next comment accordingly.

As to the topic of this thread, I would think this child should have been protected from more than just eyes. Her husband should have realized she was not ready to consummate the marriage and should have stopped before killing his bride.

In this instance, I'm not seeing much respect for women at all.

There is right and there is wrong in every culture and what happened was very wrong in this instance.

Her husband had to know he was hurting her and that he was doing wrong and did not care about his new bride.

i agree with you that such a man is a monster,he got no mercy at all and i do blame her parents as well.

Of course i don't agree and even i hate to hear the words child marriage as i feel it to be disgusting.

 

[FearGod]

No need to check ids either, they were shouting Allah akbar, so in assuming they were not Mormons.

They were All at a time saying Allah akbar,were they dancing and for how many hours did you see them celebrating and saying allah akbar.

Did they appear in the news dancing and saying allah akbar.

 

[Looncall]

Women during the Islamic empire have a high position and that is why women are well protected even from the eyes of men that may think to look with dirty eyes to their bodies,it is to say i am not just a body.

Women are well protected as not to be hired by men for one night pleasure or even by USD ?/hour,prostition in Islam is forbidden as it hurts women's dignity.

One story for a woman that have been insulted by a disbeliever in the era of Khalifa Al Mu'tasim,the khalifa sent his army and under his command to save the dignity of that woman.

Of course nowadays there is no islamic states and those leaders of nowadays are signs of the end of times which is happening in front of hour eyes exactly as foretold by the prophet.

[youtube]hu5py5rUCQk[/youtube]
Hadith: Return of the Khilafah - YouTube

So what? The islamic empires failed long ago.

Well protected. I see. One would say the same of a favoured cow or other livestock. It doesn't sound like you are speaking of an equal human being.

Anyway, you have not addressed my point, merely displayed your unhealthy obsession with relations between the sexes.

 

[FearGod]

So what? The islamic empires failed long ago.

Well protected. I see. One would say the same of a favoured cow or other livestock. It doesn't sound like you are speaking of an equal human being.

Anyway, you have not addressed my point, merely displayed your unhealthy obsession with relations between the sexes.

i don't know how you compare a cow to a woman.

Which unhealthy obsession that i displayed,my refusal for women to work as prostitute or to wear very short skirt shopping in a mall and men's eyes staring at her thighs.

Which better for girls you think.

1 - walk naked in the market.
2 - walk wearing panty.
3 - walk wearing short trouser.
4 - walk wearing long trouser.

Any rational mind can see that 4 is better than 1 and 3 is better than 2,so God knows better what is good for women,but yes i agree with you for men we wish all girls to be No 1

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

i don't know how you compare a cow to a woman.

Which unhealthy obsession that i displayed,my refusal for women to work as prostitute or to wear very short skirt shopping in a mall and men's eyes staring at her thighs.

Which better for girls you think.

1 - walk naked in the market.
2 - walk wearing panty.
3 - walk wearing short trouser.
4 - walk wearing long trouser.

Any rational mind can see that 4 is better than 1 and 3 is better than 2,so God knows better what is good for women,but yes i agree with you for men we wish all girls to be No 1

How about you stop being so obsessed with what a woman chooses to wear or work as and stop demonizing sexuality?

That's the best choice.

 

[FearGod]

How about you stop being so obsessed with what a woman chooses to where or work as and stop demonizing sexuality?

That's the best choice.

Is it woman to wear or to where,is it spelled so in Ohio !

Anyway,i care about my family and i don't care if others wish to go naked.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Anyway,i care about my family and i don't care if others wish to go naked.

Everyone cares about their family, but obsessing over sexuality and seeking to control what women wear or what they work as is not helping them.

 

[Reverend Rick]

How about you stop being so obsessed with what a woman chooses to where or work as and stop demonizing sexuality?

That's the best choice.

I have to call bull crap here!

It is ignorant to expect the whole world to have one culture. How about we live as we live and let others tend to their business.

Think about it for a moment, what if the whole world decided to live under Sharia law?

How would you react if you were the one required to change?

Let folks decide for themselves what is right and what is wrong. :sorry1:

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I have to call bull crap here!

It is ignorant to expect the whole world to have one culture. How about we live as we live and let others tend to their business.

Think about it for a moment, what if the whole world decided to live under Sharia law?

How would you react if you were the one required to change?

Let folks decide for themselves what is right and what is wrong. :sorry1:

And I have to call bs on that. I don't believe in any cultural relativism. Human rights are for all and everything and everyone is open to criticism. If I see backwardness, barbarity and nonsense, I'm going to speak out about it. Where on the map the people in question tend to be living doesn't mean a damn thing to me.

Should Westerners passively accept or even respect FGM and honor killings as mere "cultural differences", as well? Get real.

 

[Reverend Rick]

And I have to call bs on that. I don't believe in any cultural relativism. Human rights are for all and everything and everyone is open to criticism. If I see backwardness, barbarity and nonsense, I'm going to speak out about it. Where on the map the people in question tend to be living doesn't mean a damn thing to me.

Should Westerners passively accept or even respect FGM and honor killings as mere "cultural differences", as well? Get real.

So, are you ready to join the army and go around the world and enforce your idea of right and wrong?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

So, are you ready to join the army and go around the world and enforce your idea of right and wrong?

Words are my weapons. However, I do think a basic code of human rights needs to be enforced around the world. All human beings deserve freedom and opportunity, culture notwithstanding.

I'm not interested in politically correct spinelessness.

 

[Reverend Rick]

i don't know how you compare a cow to a woman.

LOL FearGod, if you ever go to Ohio, they have some really large corn fed women there.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

LOL FearGod, if you ever go to Ohio, they have some really large corn fed women there.

Oh, you want to go there, eh? I wouldn't try to bring location-based insults into this seeing as you're from Kentucky.