Yes, there were more children killed in school shootings this year than on-duty police.

[Twilight Hue]

My mistake. I thought you started the thread. It's hard to tell you leftists apart.

Most conservatives support keeping guns out of the hands of dangerous or insane people.

Another straw dog.

Exactly. That's why we have a legal system that can declare an individual mentally unsound.

Of course the left is authoritarian in nature with avocation for unconstitutional stormtrooper tactics to sieze guns and destroy 2nd amendment protections in order to control and manipulate unarmed populations for the benefit of centralized government. Exactly like China does.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Even I could not believe this when I heard it. I had to look it up.


More school shooting child deaths than police gun deaths in 2022 | verifythis.com


Yes, in the United States if you are a child in school you are more likely to be shot than a cop. How did it get to this point?

Could it be that the police are armed and the children are not? Maybe we should have multiple trained armed guards in the schools to protect the children.

 

[fantome profane]

Could it be that the police are armed and the children are not? Maybe we should have multiple trained armed guards in the schools to protect the children.

I am not opposed to that idea. But it seems to have a limited benefit. That alone will not solve the problem.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

I am not opposed to that idea. But it seems to have a limited benefit. That alone will not solve the problem.

I agree. But there is no other solution that will protect our kids next school year. We do need to solve the reason why people pick up these guns and shoot others.

 

[fantome profane]

I agree. But there is no other solution that will protect our kids next school year. We do need to solve the reason why people pick up these guns and shoot others.

No one solution no. I think you need to look at this from all possible angles. Yes, I believe certain guns should be restricted. I believe in red flag laws, restricting ownership by people with a history of violence (including domestic violence).

Beware of politicians who talk about this as a mental health issue but at the same time cut any funding to mental health and oppose restrictions on guns for people who have mental health issues related to violence.

Have armed guards, have bulletproof doors, bulletproof backpacks or bulletproof desktops, whatever. But do the other stuff too.

Nothing is going to “solve” the problem of violence, but a comprehensive approach could reduce the number of mass shootings and casualties.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Could it be that the police are armed and the children are not? Maybe we should have multiple trained armed guards in the schools to protect the children.

Of course everything but the obvious.

Place a police satellite station directly on school grounds, or one that is in direct visual range of a school.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

No one solution no. I think you need to look at this from all possible angles. Yes, I believe certain guns should be restricted. I believe in red flag laws, restricting ownership by people with a history of violence (including domestic violence).

Beware of politicians who talk about this as a mental health issue but at the same time cut any funding to mental health and oppose restrictions on guns for people who have mental health issues related to violence.

Have armed guards, have bulletproof doors, bulletproof backpacks or bulletproof desktops, whatever. But do the other stuff too.

Nothing is going to “solve” the problem of violence, but a comprehensive approach could reduce the number of mass shootings and casualties.

I agree. But many people do not want to do what it takes to solve the problem in the short term it seems.

 

[Revoltingest]

Could it be that the police are armed and the children are not? Maybe we should have multiple trained armed guards in the schools to protect the children.

Problems....
- Guards aren't highly paid, so they're not the cream of the crop.
- Protection duty is boring & could be described as 99.999999%
of the time trying to stay awake, & 0.000001% sheer terror.
This engenders a sense of numbness.
- Would an armed guard have other school duties? If so, then
we're talking again about armed schools staff, eg, teachers.

 

[Watchmen]

OP: How did it get to this point?

The cause of the problem is that, in the USA, the Supreme Court makes it possible for the minority to obstruct the will of the majority. They did it with guns and they are likely to do it on the abortion issue.

And sometimes the minority is right constitutionally. If “majority” is the standard then civil rights can get trampled.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Even I could not believe this when I heard it. I had to look it up.


More school shooting child deaths than police gun deaths in 2022 | verifythis.com


Yes, in the United States if you are a child in school you are more likely to be shot than a cop. How did it get to this point?

There are children in the United States who are asking their parents, "what picture will you use for me?" That crushes my heart...it really does.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

17 at one school.

This kid was nuts. Would it have mattered if he had poisoned the water?

Gun control extremists twist the data to push their agenda.

Your caring and concern for children's lives is so moving...

Oh, wait, sorry, your caring and concern for guns, well, not so moving...

 

[Truth in love]

Even I could not believe this when I heard it. I had to look it up.


More school shooting child deaths than police gun deaths in 2022 | verifythis.com


Yes, in the United States if you are a child in school you are more likely to be shot than a cop. How did it get to this point?

We built a culture that includes Low empathy, high trauma, assured minimal consequences for actions, advertised soft targets, a common belief that some lives don’t matter and frequent denial that a person will be judged of God for their actions.
Oh yes lots of drug abuse, social isolation and a general lack of positive influences.

 

[sun rise]

17 at one school.

This kid was nuts. Would it have mattered if he had poisoned the water?

Gun control extremists twist the data to push their agenda.

Gun nuts twist the data to push their agenda.

 

[Revoltingest]

Haven't we had enuf carping at each
other about all our failures & faults?
Disagree all you want, guys, but try
hard to stick to the issues.

 

[F1fan]

We didn't have these problems when more people had guns, even took them to school, but we did have school prayer and traditional Christian values were taught in schools.

And they had small caliber bolt action rifles. And it was a tool in rural areas. The AR15 is a fairly new gun in American society.

The problem is not guns, is is our culture of death.

Guns are designed to kill. Irony. You didn't really think this though, did you?

And which culture promotes death? The one that wants gun safety? No. The one that wants better healthcare coverage for all citizens? No. The one that wants more mental health access? No. The one that is open to gays and trans people so they feel accepted? No. The one that promotes democracy and equality? No. The one that promotes better prenatal care? No. It's the other one.

People are separated by the leftist ideology and the identity politics that divides us into warring groups.

The left wants a society built on what I listed above. If you are against that list then you are part of the problem of a decaying and broken society, that is heavily armed and violent.

Children are confused by this culture created by the left.

Really? How are they confused? Spell it out, and make you tied it all to the left, and excuse the right. And then explain what the right has to offer that is superior, and show us that you are doing it.

I doubt you will because I think you were just buffing without thinking.

 

[F1fan]

My mistake. I thought you started the thread. It's hard to tell you leftists apart.

With an attitude like this do you think you would pass a mental health screening to own a gun?

Most conservatives support keeping guns out of the hands of dangerous or insane people.

Then they vote for representatives who don't. Why is that?

Every Republican on the Judiciary Committee voted against the gun safety bills. Explain.

 

[F1fan]

Exactly. That's why we have a legal system that can declare an individual mentally unsound.

Of course the left is authoritarian in nature with avocation for unconstitutional stormtrooper tactics to sieze guns and destroy 2nd amendment protections in order to control and manipulate unarmed populations for the benefit of centralized government. Exactly like China does.

Wow, paranoia at an 11. Nothing that you claimed here is true. And you expect to be taken seriously?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Problems....
- Guards aren't highly paid, so they're not the cream of the crop.

I am talking about a trained police officer not a mall cop. If we need to pay them more then lets do it.

- Protection duty is boring & could be described as 99.999999%
of the time trying to stay awake, & 0.000001% sheer terror.
This engenders a sense of numbness.

Well that is the job. I am sure there are ways to combat this or maybe they do have other duties.

- Would an armed guard have other school duties? If so, then
we're talking again about armed schools staff, eg, teachers.

I would say no, but this is a good discussion point.

 

[Revoltingest]

I am talking about a trained police officer not a mall cop. If we need to pay them more then lets do it.

Cops aren't all that well trained either, as we see
with their horrible interactions with the public.
And cost is & will remain a concern. As things are,
pay to cops doesn't attract the best & brightest.
And government doesn't supply schools with enuf
police protection to do the job.

Well that is the job. I am sure there are ways to combat this or maybe they do have other duties.

I would say no, but this is a good discussion point.

Practically speaking, allowing existing school staff
to train to be armed in schools would be far more
cost effective. And where this inadequate, then let
it be supplemented with spendier options.

But remember, this approach is no singular solution.
Many other things are necessary, eg, red flag laws,
comprehensive systems to ensure the wrong people
don't possess guns, school security systems, better
tools & training for cops, better cops.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Cops aren't all that well trained either, as we see
with their horrible interactions with the public.
And cost is & will remain a concern. As things are,
pay to cops doesn't attract the best & brightest.
And government doesn't supply schools with enuf
police protection to do the job.

Then lets change this.

Practically speaking, allowing existing school staff
to train to be armed in schools would be far more
cost effective. And where this inadequate, then let
it be supplemented with spendier options.

But remember, this approach is no singular solution.
Many other things are necessary, eg, red flag laws,
comprehensive systems to ensure the wrong people
don't possess guns, school security systems, better
tools & training for cops, better cops.

I agree except for red flag laws. That seems to subvert due process. How would you implement a red flag law?