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Yeshua is Jesus!

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angellous_evangellous

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Do people not realize that Yeshua and Jesus are exactly the same thing!? I realize that some of you are trying to distinguish the historical Jesus from the Jesus of tradition, but no one can agree on the historical Jesus anyway, so Yeshua really has no special meaning whatsoever.

Why can we just call Jesus "Jesus" and not mess around with the whole artifically intellectual "Yeshua" - which is simply another transliteration of the same name. It seems to me that it is rhetorical ploy at best and a strawman at worse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshua
 
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angellous_evangellous

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Victor said:
That's how I understood it...
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It just smacks of the same kind of rhetorical ploys that I see in scholarship on a daily basis - they rename something according to their thesis in a pathetic attempt to make their argument appear stonger.
 
Quiddity

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angellous_evangellous said:
It just smacks of the same kind of rhetorical ploys that I see in scholarship on a daily basis - they rename something according to their thesis in a pathetic attempt to make their argument appear stonger.
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Maybe it makes them "feel" more like intellectuals? :shrug:
 
Nehustan

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Hate to disagree, but at the bottom of the page is yet another Latinisation of the name 'Yahshuah' which certainly shows that there is in fact a great difference between the knowledge base of people that correctly use the name YHShVH, included below is a little geometric representation that I put together which is similar to the one on the linked wiki page.

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Ruach Elohim
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angellous_evangellous said:
*Venting*

Do people not realize that Yeshua and Jesus are exactly the same thing!? I realize that some of you are trying to distinguish the historical Jesus from the Jesus of tradition, but no one can agree on the historical Jesus anyway, so Yeshua really has no special meaning whatsoever.

Why can we just call Jesus "Jesus" and not mess around with the whole artifically intellectual "Yeshua" - which is simply another transliteration of the same name. It seems to me that it is rhetorical ploy at best and a strawman at worse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshua
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well i can stomp my feet and throw a fit because someone chose to call me Panda instead of Ashley too, but I dont. :p

What does it matter if someone has a prefrence on the name? Jesus is Greek, Yeshua is Jewish, and "Jesus" was Jewish, unless i've been mistaken. I'm not trying to make myself sound smarter when I use that name, I just like it more. Dont be pissy because someone has a prefrence. If people are confused about the name, they should look it up themselves ;)
 
Nehustan

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oooohhh found a good one....agggh won't let me post the .gif :(


anyway the URL is...



Which totally diasagrees with the concept of pentagrammaton (right at the bottom) on the basis that nobody would have been called by that name....thinks ;)....wonder why Gabriel was so specific about using the name....hmm....wonder why that part is recorded in the nativity story. Moot point...perhaps precisely because it was a 'strange' name...with extraordinary implication?
 
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angellous_evangellous said:
*Venting*

Do people not realize that Yeshua and Jesus are exactly the same thing!? I realize that some of you are trying to distinguish the historical Jesus from the Jesus of tradition, but no one can agree on the historical Jesus anyway, so Yeshua really has no special meaning whatsoever.
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I have no idea why it would upset anyone whether someone else prefers to call him Jesus or Yeshua? What difference does it make to you?

As for myself, I like the sound of Yeshua more than the sound of Jesus. Just as I like the sound of Kun'g Fu Tzu more than the sound of Confucius. It's no more than a personal taste, Angellous. Frankly, what business is that of yours or anyone else's?

You have a right to rant about it, of course, just as I have a right to rank about your rant. Freedom of speech.
 
Nehustan

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Just had a hunt around that guys website....definately worth a look...had me smiling for sure (I thought I was a photoshop freak!!!;)).
 
The_Evelyonian

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Why doesn't anyone ever call Him Joshua? It's the english translation of Yahshua.

Some people prefer Yahshua, some prefer Jesus. I say Yahshua because that's probably how the disciples refered to Him.

If you really want something that will make your head hurt: God has 12 names in the Old Testament (at least that how many I've counted so far) :)
 
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angellous_evangellous

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The_Evelyonian said:
Why doesn't anyone ever call Him Joshua? It's the english translation of Yahshua.

Some people prefer Yahshua, some prefer Jesus. I say Yahshua because that's probably how the disciples refered to Him.

If you really want something that will make your head hurt: God has 12 names in the Old Testament (at least that how many I've counted so far) :)
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Tradition.

There's no need to use a hypothetical pronounciation for a historical figure in a culture that already has a traditional transliteration firmly in place.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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Buttons* said:
just because it's "tradition" that doesn't make it right.

It doesn't make it wrong either, infact, it doesnt mean **** :D
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I don't understand how you can argue that tradition is meaningless.

Either way, if tradition is meaningless you have no basis for ignoring my second sentence in the post.
 
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angellous_evangellous said:
I don't understand how you can argue that tradition is meaningless.

Either way, if tradition is meaningless you have no basis for ignoring my second sentence in the post.
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1) tradition doesnt mean anything because eventually everyone will be dead, and tradition is pointless, everything is pointless, actually, so I dont see why calling a man by a preferred name makes any bit of difference to you. Slavery was a tradition. Should we continue that?

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I whine said:
I realize that some of you are trying to distinguish the historical Jesus from the Jesus of tradition, but no one can agree on the historical Jesus anyway, so Yeshua really has no special meaning whatsoever.
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Not really, i just like the name better. I dont think the man ever existed.
 
Nehustan

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I have been thinking about this today in light of the webpage I found about the name. It seems to me that the ONLY person who really knew his name was Mary, she knowing because she was instructed by Gabriel. Was the name written down, very unlikely, it's not like he had a driving license, passport, credit card, health records etc. So really what the word revealed to Mary was is probably only known to her and of course he himself. Everyone else would have heard it and copied what they thought they heard, not read it, so this is really quite moot. Myself I think that the pentagrammaton makes sense when considers Adam Kadmon, IHVH, Ruach Elohim and thus the descending dove, the word...the word made flesh...and I guess Jesus as a son of Jahweh (but certainly not a son of the infinite and absolute, Eloah/Elohim/Allah).
 
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angellous_evangellous

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Buttons* said:
1) tradition doesnt mean anything because eventually everyone will be dead, and tradition is pointless, everything is pointless, actually, so I dont see why calling a man by a preferred name makes any bit of difference to you. Slavery was a tradition. Should we continue that?

2) Not really, i just like the name better. I dont think the man ever existed.
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If everything is pointless, you are free to take up the offer listed in my signature. No takers so far. We have a tradition of placing value on money, which is perhaps your hinderance. I am most interested in a smaller body guitar... perhaps a Martin OM-28 or 000-28 is at the top of my list. I am about to order a nice SWOMGT.

I have already stated why the name is irritating and you have not addressed my points.
 
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Nehustan said:
I have been thinking about this today in light of the webpage I found about the name. It seems to me that the ONLY person who really knew his name was Mary, she knowing because she was instructed by Gabriel. Was the name written down, very unlikely, it's not like he had a driving lisence, passport, credit card, health records etc. So really what the word revealed to Mary was is probably only known to her and of course he himself. Everyone else would have heard it and copied what they thought they heard, not read it, so this is really quite moot. Myself I think that the pentagrammaton makes sense when considers Adam Kadmon, IHVH, Ruach Elohim and thus the descending dove, the word...the word made flesh...and I guess Jesus as a son of Jahweh (but certainly not a son of the infinite and absolute, Eloah/Elohim/Allah).
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good point!
 
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angellous_evangellous said:
If everything is pointless, you are free to take up the offer listed in my signature. No takers so far. We have a tradition of placing value on money, which is perhaps your hinderance. I am most interested in a smaller body guitar... perhaps a Martin OM-28 or 000-28 is at the top of my list. I am about to order a nice SWOMGT.
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If only i had a credit card I would!

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I have already stated why the name is irritating and you have not addressed my points.
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that's because you dont look past your blindfold :p
 
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