Yet another school with racism problems

[SomeRandom]

Meh I don't think so. I think it goes to real issues the country is facing. We're at a time now where we're going to decide where to go. Do we want to progress into the 21st century with the rest of the first world or go back to a dark period? It's getting really nasty and scary out there.

Well perhaps your problems are not ours in Aus. We have our own problems. Like keeping our elected PM actually in the job of the PM. Seriously, I might not understand American politics, but at least the people in power were voted for (mostly.) Our last 2 or three got the job by literally usurping the position. Once we get a stable election maybe we can move forwards with our own politics. Sigh.

Lol I understand that. It's fine if you don't want to respond anymore or if you wish to you can pm me if you want to talk anymore lol.

Well I have today off, so I might have at least one or two responses left in me lol.

 

[LittlePinky82]

I think I learnt about American History from all the different iterations of a children's series called "Horrible Histories." Started as books and then got two different TV show adaptations. That and Assassin's Creed 3 lol.
But History was never big with me.



No, because my cousin makes his own spirits. And he makes them strong as f. I'm not entirely sure if I'd be under the legal limit on a Wednesday even if I drank them on a Monday night lol.



Well at least you have a tangible separation documented. In Australia, although we are a secular society the line is too fuzzy to keep in check.

Hmm never heard of the horrible stories one. Ah I see now. Yeah, people who make their own wine usually make it strong, right? Have you ever tried Moon Shine? I never have but than again I can't really drink or I shouldn't (heart surgery in my past so it's just advised not to but I have tried Tequila in a punch before and didn't know it lol but I liked it).

Yes, but it's not like a major part of the population really follows it... Churches still get involved in politics and find loop holes. Sigh. It's really frustrating as someone who believes strongly in a separation of church and state.

Omg, right? Pretty ****ed up.
I watch Louis Theroux every now and then and he did like a little Journalistic documentary about them twice. Called "America's most hated family" and "America's most hated family revisited." Louis is pretty good at being neutral and seems to have a good dose of professional integrity. So he just pretty much lets his subjects speak for themselves and man were they creepy. Very definition of a Cult.



I contend that. Not saying your police aren't racist. But I have seen far too many "white men" manhandled by Police (both internationally and here) to know it does happen without consequence. We call coppers like that "Jesus in boots." Because they think they're above the law and in many cases they are.
Necessary evil, cops are.



I know. I was being a little flippant. But that doesn't mean they treat white "suspects" better than black "suspects." Maybe some do, but if you look you can find the stories which the News does not care about. Because the perps were white!j

I love Louis. Did you ever see the doc of him with the Nazi's and the evangelical Christian's? Those are good too. He's probably my favorite. As far as white v black just see the prison population. Black people get charged ten times more for non-violent drug offenses than white people do.

Oh you Americans. Always drama central.
We're going the same way, unfortunately.



Well he's a comedian. And he's famous. So you'd kind of expect him to take it in his stride.



If only every feminist didn't care about gaming. Le sigh.
I'm becoming quite disillusioned by feminism as of late. At least "internet feminism."

Well at least he has some new material for a while right? I suggest reading some older feminist writings. Here you go- http://www.gilderlehrman.org/histor...s/essays/nineteenth-century-feminist-writings

Your name is not Doxxing. At least not full blown Doxxing.
Doxxing is revealing your full name, address, how you look and even where you work or go to school. If you use the internet, you can be Doxxed. It doesn't matter if you never use social media or even never send an email. That's irrelevant. It's pretty easy to Dox people, even if they have common names.
So do not fret, you're not actually a nobody online. You're just hidden at the moment.

So they do it through your IP or something or hacking or something? Sorry I've had computers since the late 80's (like 88/89? I had a very old apple computer lol huge *** floppies) and been online since 1997 but I'm still pretty ignorant about all that stuff lol. Just never had the time to properly learn.

But yeah if you tried my screen name you'd probably find stuff though I'm not the only one who uses this name. I've been on places before where it was already used. And on a forum a couple of yrs ago some people thought they found me on Myspace but it wasn't me. It was someone from Alaska and I'm a southerner lol.

 

[LittlePinky82]

I wasn't talking about private property. I'm talking public events. Or do Americans make it a habit of inviting Comedians to do shows on their private property?

Damn, you ****ers really are rich.



Never said they shouldn't be allowed to challenge them. But remember how you said speech comes with consequences??? One of those consequences will be insensitive pricks like me scoffing at some of these protests.

Students, mate. You need to challenge them. You don't need to have people like Ann Coulter. That's an extreme example. But what about Christina Hoff Sommers? She doesn't preach hate speech. She speaks against toxic Feminism, challenges students to debate her like adults and discusses a wide array of pertinent issues. She's still been banned or called hateful and has encountered 20 somethings throwing tantrums all the freaking time. She seems to find it both amusing and pathetic.
And that's exactly what I'm talking about. These kids aren't just protesting hate speech, that would be reasonable. No some seem to protest mere dissent. And that's pathetic.
Your worldview should be shred to smithereens in Uni. That's how you develop a better one. And these are college aged students we're talking about, not impressionable children. If they are that easily swayed by bigoted speech, they're dullards. They should go there to grill that woman, I don't care if she's there to do a book promotion or just to drum up political support. Challenge her like adults, don't stamp your feet like petty kids.
God, America home of the brave and land of the free indeed. Unless it's someone you don't like. Then the poor students need to be protected like babies. Come on.



Again, your extended courtesy of not being offended doesn't override the RIGHTS of other people.
But regardless, I never said people shouldn't be treated with dignity. You can do that and still spout offensive material. Because guess what? Offensive is entirely subjective and cannot truly be banned (except the extremes, maybe.) Nor should it. We should treat people like they are adults who can handle bad words, instead of protecting people like fragile glass, we ought to be building them up to a point where they can healthily cope with things.

And remember offense is often taken not necessarily given. If you take offense to the statue of David because you find it demeaning to women (yes, I have heard this interpretation before) that's entirely on you and your interpretation. It's not Micheal Angelo's fault.

But again, it's not just hate speech that is challenged by students these days. That would be understandable. No, it's literally every microscopic thing that can possibly be construed as "offensive."
Which is kind of the thing the Anti PC can latch onto to point out PC failure. Congrats guys, you just handed the anti PC brigade all the material they need. Well done.

http://www.afr.com/leadership/manag...s-universities-has-gone-crazy-20150819-gj2ek3

Doesn't matter if this is still the minority doing this. If this is allowed this hysterical overly emotional crap can spread to the rest of us over time.

Apparently this type of emotional thinking might not actually be healthy in the first place.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/beyond-good-and-evil/201509/political-correctness-gone-mad

I mean you have Liberal Professors speaking out (usually anonymously because you know, fear for their job and all) on how they are now forced to walk on Goddamned eggshells for fear of "offending anyone." That's not how you teach, that's how you coddle.

Not saying this is applicable everywhere in America obviously. It's probably very few areas if that. Just as I'm sure my teaching cousins lamenting every chance they get about the same thing about teaching Uni here is not reflective of a trend literally countrywide. But it's worth noting that this has to be nipped in the bud, so it doesn't spread.

http://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8706323/college-professor-afraid




Discussions about Controversial subjects SHOULD be encouraged by Universities. I'm not saying bring in Nazis or the likes of Ann Coulter or even Jenny Bindle. I'm saying when you are in University you are an adult. You are at an age where you should be questioning the world around you and you need to be exposed to a wide variety of viewpoints and topics to discuss and analyze. Some of them should be controversial. It's now or never kids, either learn how to discuss controversy or run and hide like a child.To reject controversy is to encourage arrogance among students. Because it basically confirms to them that they can't learn anything from people they dislike or don't agree with. This is wrong and a disservice to kids. Short of inciting violence or outright hate speech, you shouldn't shield these kids from controversy, from wild opinions, from out there conspiracies. If you don't introduce these kids to these sorts of things, they never learn how to properly analyze and deconstruct them. How are they supposed to then learn anything at all???



It was on a YouTube channel I sometimes watch. The content creator always provides links. It might have been a while ago, I can't quite remember. I'll try to find it.

In the meantime here's silly ones.

http://listverse.com/2015/08/25/10-...-ban-on-politically-correct-college-campuses/

http://theminorityreportblog.com/20...ally-correct-for-being-politically-incorrect/

Sorry conservatives here in the US are known for out right lying about things. Don't trust them.

And no University's here in the US don't have to invite people if they don't want to. That's how it is and that's the law and rules also of the University. Sorry just how it is here. You aren't owed an invite from an institution and you can't force them to do so.

As far as the pc nonsense it's pathetic crap that people say when they don't want to be challenged on being an *******. Conservatives always ***** and moan about "oh you're being pc to me because I can't call a black person the N word!" or they'll say "well I can call a gay man the f word!" Sure you can. But people can tell you you're a dick too.


Do you know how many higher education schools the US has? Here's a list that tells you-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_universities_in_the_United_States

Now, how many schools have you heard about having "problems" with the conservatives whining about pc crap? What, a handful? My state has 11. Missouri has 13. Vermont has 4. Even Georgia has 23.

Now because you have the media talking about a couple of schools you think they're talking about all of them? I don't have the time or patience to count up every school listed but go look at the list. It's freaking long. You'll be there counting for a few minutes. Please, don't listen to just conservative media ***** about pc ****. They've been *****ing about it since the 90's.

And oh look even on your Vox link at the bottom of it the person whose tweet they chose to use in the story they didn't ask her about it and took it wrong and put words in her mouth, so to speak, and she got death threats. They had to make a correction and put her as anonymous so people would stop sending her death threats. Imagine that. So you think people on the "other side" of it are right? No, they're bringing people death threats from their own hyper sensitivity. Don't throw stones in glass houses.

Here's a good example of the other side and their violence-

It's just not these so-called SJW people being hyper sensitive. It's the people responding. How do they respond? Death threats and threats of violence. Classy. People are only focusing on one group and how they're responding to the US changing. What about the other side? They respond with violence or threats of violence to people. Always how it goes. You have group A who has been oppressed for a long time, they finally snap and start to stand up. Group B has enjoyed the power and majority for a long time and they feel threatened and attacked and resort to violence.

The media here always does this with stuff. They'll highlight something that will get people talking and paying attention. Usually it's a minority of things that are happening across the country. In 2014 the US had a population of 318.9 million people. You might hear this known as the "shiny object distraction" meant to distract you from important issues and it works.

When I was working on my criminal justice degree I took this great sociology class called violence and the media. It talked about how the media responds and reports on violence. It was very enlightening and educational. The media always sensationalizes how things are and over hypes stuff for whatever reasoning. Usually it's ratings. Look at your local news and about crime and how they always show those stories at the beginning. They want you to pay attention to that. Then they'll have some fluffy story, the weather and national news.

And then you have the internet where Jane and Joe's can all write and things get around and people don't even bother to try to verify a lot of times. They just run with it. Like for ex those tweets that went out that were said to be from Mizzou students tweeting about how it's not fair that the media is paying attention to the attacks in Paris ended up not even being from students from the school. The police (or campus police? I forget which) checked it out and the IP's and they had nothing to do with the school. People on Reddit even were able to find that the accounts were made just in the day or two before things happened.So, people can easily make **** up all the time online as well.

 

[Aset's Flames]

So there's been yet another University with racism problems. Where the minority are speaking up and saying they're not being treated as you should expect to be on campus with getting an education. Mizzou, Ithaca, and now this school. How many more schools are going to pop up?

What has been going on on these campus over the yrs where now we're having these issues?

I'm definitely thinking we're going to have race relations as a major campaign issue and I hope we do. We as a country need to address this and face up to the past and present of what's going on. At least this president seems to be more understanding and open to their concerns as students on the campus. Hopefully he can learn something from the Mizzou president.

Black students take over VCU's president's office to demand changes



BY LOUIS LLOVIO Richmond Times-Dispatch | Posted 40 minutes ago

About 30 Virginia Commonwealth University student activists took over the school president’s office Thursday morning demanding, among other things, an increase in the number of black professors and more cultural competency training on campus.


The students took over first floor of the office on Franklin Street about 10 a.m.

They read a prepared letter expressing their solidarity with students at the main campus of the University of Missouri and a list of changes they are demanding from VCU officials.

What followed was not a 1960s-style protest rife with tension but an open and frank conversation about the issues black students confront at VCU.

The students talked about feeling like outsiders on campus and alienated at a place to which they turned to improve their future. Several said they were angry and felt abandoned by the university.

Participating in that conversation was Michael Rao, VCU’s president, who came downstairs when he heard the students and sat on an end table listening to them for more than two hours.

Their main concern is a lack of black professors at VCU. They say it’s often difficult for them to deal with educators who don’t understand their cultural concerns or the experience driving their thoughts and world view.

A lack of black professors also means that other students are missing out on a valuable educational point of view.

VCU says 5 percent of its professors are black. Fifteen percent of the student body is black.

Coupled with their classroom concerns is a feeling of being an outsider on campus because there is no effort being made to foster a community for black students, they said.

“You can go a whole four years talking to white people, being taught by white people and not having anything to do with black people,” sophomore Reyna Smith said.

Among the demands are to double the number of black faculty members to 10 percent of the total number of professors by 2017, to have at least one of every three candidates interviewing for a faculty position be black, and to create a position to make sure the policies are being implemented.

The students also demand the creation of a cultural competency course for all students and the hiring of an ombudsman so students have someone who will understand their experiences and concerns.

The students also want to see an increase in funding for cultural organizations and events on campus.

For his part, Rao sympathized with the students and encouraged them to talk about their concerns.

He told them that their concerns are not a complete surprise and that VCU is taking steps to bring more black professors into the university.



Still, he said, it must be acknowledged that black students have a unique perspective and that the university needs to work to bring about fundamental change.

“Students of color can’t take on the burden themselves,” Rao said, adding, “I very much have the same vision for VCU. I think there’s greater capacity to do what we know we need to do for all fellow human beings, and it needs to be a model for the rest of the nation.”

Source- http://m.richmond.com/news/local/ci...70e-99fe-539f-9097-8415205caafd.html?mode=jqm

I see two major problems with this turn of events.

I. The required highering of blacks at the university means that the university would have to turn down more qualified proffesor of other ethnicities.

II. The course for cultural comepantcy will not make people who are uninterested in cultural competency learn more about the subject if it can be taken voluntarily and if it required then it interferes with their learning process about the courses that they are paying to gain knowledge from.

 

[LittlePinky82]

I see two major problems with this turn of events.

I. The required highering of blacks at the university means that the university would have to turn down more qualified proffesor of other ethnicities.

II. The course for cultural comepantcy will not make people who are uninterested in cultural competency learn more about the subject if it can be taken voluntarily and if it required then it interferes with their learning process about the courses that they are paying to gain knowledge from.

I. Is it known the population make up of this town? Not in the article anyways. Just the school and the students are a minority. See the OP for the highlighted stats. We don't the makeup of the school in general. Just black v white and whites are a majority.

We already have affirmative action in place and it seems to be working. They're making a suggestion of what they would like to see with the school dynamic where they're concerned and the president has said he's already been open to these changes.

II. That's how it is in general with classes. I've had plenty where there will always be some people who never show up except for exam day. Even if they were to have it as a mandatory type of class (like with your English, math, science, history etc) there's always going to be people who don't show up except for the exams.

Well perhaps your problems are not ours in Aus. We have our own problems. Like keeping our elected PM actually in the job of the PM. Seriously, I might not understand American politics, but at least the people in power were voted for (mostly.) Our last 2 or three got the job by literally usurping the position. Once we get a stable election maybe we can move forwards with our own politics. Sigh.




Well I have today off, so I might have at least one or two responses left in me lol.

Well we still have our issues here with elections. Issues with voting ID's and people having issues not getting them (for ex in AL they had a law that required you to have a state ID and the only place you can get one is a DMV and after the law they closed a handful of DMV's in the state where people couldn't go to one near by and had to take time off work to do so even with one in your town you're going to be a the DMV a while). We also have these stupid electronic voting machine's in a lot of places that can be hacked. There were reports going around of issues with Kentucky. I didn't look further into it though but we still have issues here too.

Oh and also I just wanted to say too with what's going on now it's my thinking the US is at a period where we're changing and at a cross roads. We're deciding as a country how we want to be and where we want to go. Do we want to be with the rest of the first world or go backwards? People, in general, it seems are hyper sensitive right now. Look at the presidential elections and the candidates running and how they're responding. I mean hell you even have a Democratic Socialist doing really well right now and I never would have thought that would be the case even just a few years ago. I've been a follower and supporter of Bernie's since I was first in politics at age 18 (I'm 33 now) and always used to daydream about him running and getting to vote for him. It just seems like everyone is hyper sensitive now as a population. I definitely think it's going to get worse before it gets better. Even though we're hearing a handful of stories now of campuses we're going to hear more with all sorts of issues going on now with civil society and how we are as a society. For a long time we've ignored our past and it's catching up to us and we're going to have to face it I think. It's been a long time coming. I think that's why now we're having people so hyper sensitive whether right or wrong. It's just not people who are "SJW" either but right wingers are too as I showed in my one post (hell just turn on right wing radio on the FM and you can hear it). It's going to get scary I think. I could be wrong, and I hope I am, but I just have a bad feeling. I've seen this movie before. This is just me thinking too much lol.

 

[SomeRandom]

Hmm never heard of the horrible stories one. Ah I see now. Yeah, people who make their own wine usually make it strong, right? Have you ever tried Moon Shine? I never have but than again I can't really drink or I shouldn't (heart surgery in my past so it's just advised not to but I have tried Tequila in a punch before and didn't know it lol but I liked it).

The new one was pretty good. For an educational kids show.
But it's very............British lol
I had moonshine once, I think. Or it might have been mead. I was already drunk so I can't quite remember. It was homemade that's all I know hahah!
Tequila punch is nice. I'm partial to green fairy. (Legal Absinthe.)

Yes, but it's not like a major part of the population really follows it... Churches still get involved in politics and find loop holes. Sigh. It's really frustrating as someone who believes strongly in a separation of church and state.

I could imagine.

I love Louis. Did you ever see the doc of him with the Nazi's and the evangelical Christian's? Those are good too. He's probably my favorite. As far as white v black just see the prison population. Black people get charged ten times more for non-violent drug offenses than white people do.

Oh yes, the Nazi doco was a good one. And the evangelical one was.........er interesting lol

Ehh, again it's a correlation but not indicative of causation necessarily.
I don't know if you can call that racism so much as differing drug uses. For example what type of drug use is synonymous with suburban kids (who are usually mostly white)? X, PCP, Ice and maybe weed (oh and that bath salt craze, seriously wtf?) Generally more usage at random house or "frat" parties. Are they less likely to be caught by default? I'd wager, yes yes they are. Not because they're white, but because said antics aka dumb, bored kids parties are not often the subject of police raids. Unless the party gets super out of hand or the neighbors are douchebags who call the police on the kids.
What about black "dug usages?" I'd wager that it is generally true that in poor mainly black communities you would find what you Americans would refer to as "crack dens." Which would be far more likely to be on police radar. Because they're crack dens, not because black people are smoking it. Hence you would see that there would be a higher propensity for blacks to be charged with non violent drug crimes than whites. Is this racism? I don't know. I think it might have more to do with poverty, how police often target drug usage and the incidence of a higher rate of blacks in poverty stricken areas. But as I am not American or a statistician I cannot say one way or the other. Just that it seems to me while racism can't be dismissed obviously it's a factor, there is another way to interpret the statistics other than "the police are all racist ********."
I think more study needs to be done and that there are other issues present.

Sorry conservatives here in the US are known for out right lying about things. Don't trust them.

The minority blog and Listverse are conservatives? Psychology today is a conservative website?? Jesus, is there nothing in this world that Americans don't immediately view as right or left politics???
Incidentally I have seen more people who identify as Liberal or Left who have spoken out against the "trend" of coddling students. In multiple bleeding countries no less (though strangely more so from the Brits than anything.)

And no University's here in the US don't have to invite people if they don't want to. That's how it is and that's the law and rules also of the University. Sorry just how it is here. You aren't owed an invite from an institution and you can't force them to do so.

I never once said they shouldn't be allowed to invite or not invite anyone they want. I said students shouldn't be the ones who dictate to the school who can speak or who can't speak. They can protest or not go, that's it. They are not the boss they are under the authority of the school, technically.

 

[SomeRandom]

As far as the pc nonsense it's pathetic crap that people say when they don't want to be challenged on being an *******. Conservatives always ***** and moan about "oh you're being pc to me because I can't call a black person the N word!" or they'll say "well I can call a gay man the f word!" Sure you can. But people can tell you you're a dick too.

Granted I have no love for your more famous Conservatives, but again I have seen more Liberal left leaning people speak out against the "hypersensitive" PC. Not saying that there aren't Cons who just want to be free to be dickholes. Just that they're not the only voice against this. I'm against this and I'm left!!!
Well actually according to Americans I have spoken to our Political parties seem to be seen as center right and center left. So your political parties must be quite extreme.

And oh look even on your Vox link at the bottom of it the person whose tweet they chose to use in the story they didn't ask her about it and took it wrong and put words in her mouth, so to speak, and she got death threats. They had to make a correction and put her as anonymous so people would stop sending her death threats. Imagine that. So you think people on the "other side" of it are right? No, they're bringing people death threats from their own hyper sensitivity. Don't throw stones in glass houses.

Like I previously said, twitter is a hellhole. So it wouldn't surprise me if the woman received death threats over practically saying anything. I got death threats for challenging the idea that 50% of women were gamers, even though I am a female gamer. All I really said was that the methodology was not nuanced enough and the study was therefore "questionable in it's findings." This is apparently enough to get you death threats these days. So no..... I think no one is totally right in this mess. Humanity is ****ed.

Being on topic for a second. I have noticed some of the #Mizzou students seem a tad concerned that the Paris Terrorist Attacks have taken away some of the media attention from their own plight. Normally I would say, yeah that sucks however it's a bigger story and more "entertaining" for lack of a better word, so expected. But given that they weren't that particularly kind to the media at their protest not long ago............Well, I am beginning to drift away from their plight a little.

It's just not these so-called SJW people being hyper sensitive. It's the people responding. How do they respond? Death threats and threats of violence. Classy. People are only focusing on one group and how they're responding to the US changing. What about the other side? They respond with violence or threats of violence to people. Always how it goes. You have group A who has been oppressed for a long time, they finally snap and start to stand up. Group B has enjoyed the power and majority for a long time and they feel threatened and attacked and resort to violence.

You want to comment on being classy? How about concerted efforts on the part of the SJWs to destroy people's livelihoods? That's not just stupid internet insults and death threats. Which has long been part of the internet. No, that **** is personal.
Off the top of my head.
Shirtgate in which they bullied an accomplished scientist (Matt Taylor, aka the bloke who landed a spaceship on a ****ing comet!!!) to tears for wearing a shirt with sort of scantily clad females on it. The worst his shirt was was tacky, maybe unprofessional. But the furor it created? Pathetic and downright scummy. Also I'm pretty sure his family had to be moved for their own safety concerns. Oh but the straight white male is so privileged.
What about when they got a Nobel Prize Winning Scientist Tim Hunt, a man who was working on curing at least one form of cancer, fired from his job because for an off the cuff remark? (Like I don't care if the guy went on stage and yelled at the women in the audience to make him a sandwich, in this instance his contributions far outweigh his personal opinions!) Thanks a lot SJW's, you just helped to slow down the progress in curing at least one form of cancer, you dickwads!
When they wrote in a campaign against Dr Phil Mason accusing him of being a Nazi to the police, newspapers and his employer in the hopes of destroying his livelihood. And then outright mercilessly mocked him (and mocked his father dying of cancer!!) in video responses when they thought they were victorious!!
When Baha Mustaffa organized an "inclusive cross cultural event" but specifically said white males shouldn't attend. And then got into trouble for her #killallwhitemen, which according to the laws in the UK could very easily be classed as inciting violence or hate speech? Oh but she's not a racist.
Then there's British game critic Total Biscuit who received death threats and mocking tweets laughing at his cancer, as he was getting treatment for his ****ing cancer!!!
And you want to talk about class?
These are just the most famous examples, I shudder to think of what happened to smaller lesser known people caught in the crosshairs of the SJWs and couldn't let people know what was happening. (The Mainstream Media was against all the wrong people in all these instances.) Oh but it's Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn who ought to have our sympathy. Blech. As far as I'm concerned both sides (in multiple issues) should be ashamed of themselves, but the SJWs man. They went beyond insulting internet ****, they made things personal on many occasions. So **** them the most.

 

[SomeRandom]

Okay, this is getting a bit much for my lazy ways, so I have skipped some content in my reply. I hope you don't mind.

My "issues" with feminism is probably an entirely different discussion, really.

So they do it through your IP or something or hacking or something? Sorry I've had computers since the late 80's (like 88/89? I had a very old apple computer lol huge *** floppies) and been online since 1997 but I'm still pretty ignorant about all that stuff lol. Just never had the time to properly learn.

Err, yes, that's one way You see each computer has a sort of "serial number." And anyone with a bit of experience or knowledge in networking can access their own. As well as other people's. Though that comes with a bit more knowledge.
It's all a bit tech lingo-y but essentially they can pin point the computer you're using and therefore your location at the very least. Probably can even get your information as well. Depending on how you paid for it. Using the internet also gives out your information by default. Because when you use the internet, your provider gives your computer a kind of "access code." Or IP Address. This can be used to track down your information as well.
Email is often I think another easy way to get your information. It is probably easier if you or your employer are somewhere on social media in one form or another. (Especially FB because it's security is, quite frankly, ****.) But it can still be done without it.

Well we still have our issues here with elections. Issues with voting ID's and people having issues not getting them (for ex in AL they had a law that required you to have a state ID and the only place you can get one is a DMV and after the law they closed a handful of DMV's in the state where people couldn't go to one near by and had to take time off work to do so even with one in your town you're going to be a the DMV a while). We also have these stupid electronic voting machine's in a lot of places that can be hacked. There were reports going around of issues with Kentucky. I didn't look further into it though but we still have issues here too.

Oh and also I just wanted to say too with what's going on now it's my thinking the US is at a period where we're changing and at a cross roads. We're deciding as a country how we want to be and where we want to go. Do we want to be with the rest of the first world or go backwards? People, in general, it seems are hyper sensitive right now. Look at the presidential elections and the candidates running and how they're responding. I mean hell you even have a Democratic Socialist doing really well right now and I never would have thought that would be the case even just a few years ago. I've been a follower and supporter of Bernie's since I was first in politics at age 18 (I'm 33 now) and always used to daydream about him running and getting to vote for him. It just seems like everyone is hyper sensitive now as a population. I definitely think it's going to get worse before it gets better. Even though we're hearing a handful of stories now of campuses we're going to hear more with all sorts of issues going on now with civil society and how we are as a society. For a long time we've ignored our past and it's catching up to us and we're going to have to face it I think. It's been a long time coming. I think that's why now we're having people so hyper sensitive whether right or wrong. It's just not people who are "SJW" either but right wingers are too as I showed in my one post (hell just turn on right wing radio on the FM and you can hear it). It's going to get scary I think. I could be wrong, and I hope I am, but I just have a bad feeling. I've seen this movie before. This is just me thinking too much lol.

Yes, I am well aware of how the news manipulates it's audience. Like I said, I don't think these reflect a nationwide trend and are sensationalized stupidity at it's finest. We still need to point out the stupidity so it doesn't spread.

Democratic Socialist?
I'm afraid your political ways go over my indifferent Australian brain, mate. I barely care about my own politics. Really the only reason I vote is because I am legally obligated to. (No seriously, it's literally illegal not to vote or at least get your name checked off and throw in a blank piece of paper in the ballot.) Our news sometimes covers Trump, usually to ogle the "controversial American." But that's as far as my American Political knowledge goes, I'm afraid.

You're probably right. Darkest before the dawn, or whatever, right?

 

[psychoslice]

Everyone is raciest in some form, even animals are against each other, its nothing new.

 

[LittlePinky82]

The new one was pretty good. For an educational kids show.
But it's very............British lol
I had moonshine once, I think. Or it might have been mead. I was already drunk so I can't quite remember. It was homemade that's all I know hahah!
Tequila punch is nice. I'm partial to green fairy. (Legal Absinthe.)



I could imagine.

Not sure what green fairy is. This punch was like a fruit punch with sprite type of deal with Tequila thrown in. I was like "what is this other taste?" I first thought it was ginger ale or something. I just took a few sips and was like omg omg omg. I was a lot younger then in my earlier to mid 20's so lol. I got to this get together a friend was having late and missed where she told it had alcohol in the punch lol. A little bit won't hurt you. I can drink it's just not really a good idea. I was born with a hole in my heart and had heart surgery before I was one. It's one of those things that once it's fixed it's fixed but I can still get murmurs sometimes so yeah.

Oh yes, the Nazi doco was a good one. And the evangelical one was.........er interesting lol

Yeah evangelicals are well interesting. If you want more with them check out the writings from Chris Hedges and Kevin Phillips. Very good.

Ehh, again it's a correlation but not indicative of causation necessarily.
I don't know if you can call that racism so much as differing drug uses. For example what type of drug use is synonymous with suburban kids (who are usually mostly white)? X, PCP, Ice and maybe weed (oh and that bath salt craze, seriously wtf?) Generally more usage at random house or "frat" parties. Are they less likely to be caught by default? I'd wager, yes yes they are. Not because they're white, but because said antics aka dumb, bored kids parties are not often the subject of police raids. Unless the party gets super out of hand or the neighbors are douchebags who call the police on the kids.
What about black "dug usages?" I'd wager that it is generally true that in poor mainly black communities you would find what you Americans would refer to as "crack dens." Which would be far more likely to be on police radar. Because they're crack dens, not because black people are smoking it. Hence you would see that there would be a higher propensity for blacks to be charged with non violent drug crimes than whites. Is this racism? I don't know. I think it might have more to do with poverty, how police often target drug usage and the incidence of a higher rate of blacks in poverty stricken areas. But as I am not American or a statistician I cannot say one way or the other. Just that it seems to me while racism can't be dismissed obviously it's a factor, there is another way to interpret the statistics other than "the police are all racist ********."
I think more study needs to be done and that there are other issues present.

The whole problem with cops as an institution now is two things 1) the militarization over the past decade and 2) the us vs them mentality. And it's already told and known that they specifically target black neighborhoods.

Here's an ex cop from Baltimore that exposes it all-

The minority blog and Listverse are conservatives? Psychology today is a conservative website?? Jesus, is there nothing in this world that Americans don't immediately view as right or left politics???
Incidentally I have seen more people who identify as Liberal or Left who have spoken out against the "trend" of coddling students. In multiple bleeding countries no less (though strangely more so from the Brits than anything.)



I never once said they shouldn't be allowed to invite or not invite anyone they want. I said students shouldn't be the ones who dictate to the school who can speak or who can't speak. They can protest or not go, that's it. They are not the boss they are under the authority of the school, technically.

The Minority blog yes. Listverse I don't see how they're relevant they seem to be a top ten list website. Psychology today depends on who writes the editorials. And yes the media is ran by conservatives here. They over took it in the 90's after Bill Clinton got rid of the Fairness Doctrine.

But the students are the ones who are going to go and participate. You're not going to invite someone and then have an empty room.

Everyone is raciest in some form, even animals are against each other, its nothing new.

Racism is learned behavior so no that's complete bs. Plenty of people in the world aren't racist because they didn't have adults or others around them of authority to teach them racism.

 

[LittlePinky82]

Granted I have no love for your more famous Conservatives, but again I have seen more Liberal left leaning people speak out against the "hypersensitive" PC. Not saying that there aren't Cons who just want to be free to be dickholes. Just that they're not the only voice against this. I'm against this and I'm left!!!
Well actually according to Americans I have spoken to our Political parties seem to be seen as center right and center left. So your political parties must be quite extreme.



Like I previously said, twitter is a hellhole. So it wouldn't surprise me if the woman received death threats over practically saying anything. I got death threats for challenging the idea that 50% of women were gamers, even though I am a female gamer. All I really said was that the methodology was not nuanced enough and the study was therefore "questionable in it's findings." This is apparently enough to get you death threats these days. So no..... I think no one is totally right in this mess. Humanity is ****ed.

Being on topic for a second. I have noticed some of the #Mizzou students seem a tad concerned that the Paris Terrorist Attacks have taken away some of the media attention from their own plight. Normally I would say, yeah that sucks however it's a bigger story and more "entertaining" for lack of a better word, so expected. But given that they weren't that particularly kind to the media at their protest not long ago............Well, I am beginning to drift away from their plight a little.

Yes, things here are getting that way. Right wingers are more getting in sync with fascism and the democrats are conservatives. There is no "left" here in the US. The "left" that exists are small parties like the Green's and Democratic Socialists and the RCP (Revolutionary Communist Party) and the CPUSA (Communist Party USA).

No, they haven't. Those were tweets that had nothing to do with the students and they had no affiliation with the school as I already pointed out. Even the KKK being on campus was a troll on twitter and the student body president didn't know that and took precautions and ended up having to resign over it.

You want to comment on being classy? How about concerted efforts on the part of the SJWs to destroy people's livelihoods? That's not just stupid internet insults and death threats. Which has long been part of the internet. No, that **** is personal.
Off the top of my head.
Shirtgate in which they bullied an accomplished scientist (Matt Taylor, aka the bloke who landed a spaceship on a ****ing comet!!!) to tears for wearing a shirt with sort of scantily clad females on it. The worst his shirt was was tacky, maybe unprofessional. But the furor it created? Pathetic and downright scummy. Also I'm pretty sure his family had to be moved for their own safety concerns. Oh but the straight white male is so privileged.
What about when they got a Nobel Prize Winning Scientist Tim Hunt, a man who was working on curing at least one form of cancer, fired from his job because for an off the cuff remark? (Like I don't care if the guy went on stage and yelled at the women in the audience to make him a sandwich, in this instance his contributions far outweigh his personal opinions!) Thanks a lot SJW's, you just helped to slow down the progress in curing at least one form of cancer, you dickwads!
When they wrote in a campaign against Dr Phil Mason accusing him of being a Nazi to the police, newspapers and his employer in the hopes of destroying his livelihood. And then outright mercilessly mocked him (and mocked his father dying of cancer!!) in video responses when they thought they were victorious!!
When Baha Mustaffa organized an "inclusive cross cultural event" but specifically said white males shouldn't attend. And then got into trouble for her #killallwhitemen, which according to the laws in the UK could very easily be classed as inciting violence or hate speech? Oh but she's not a racist.
Then there's British game critic Total Biscuit who received death threats and mocking tweets laughing at his cancer, as he was getting treatment for his ****ing cancer!!!
And you want to talk about class?
These are just the most famous examples, I shudder to think of what happened to smaller lesser known people caught in the crosshairs of the SJWs and couldn't let people know what was happening. (The Mainstream Media was against all the wrong people in all these instances.) Oh but it's Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn who ought to have our sympathy. Blech. As far as I'm concerned both sides (in multiple issues) should be ashamed of themselves, but the SJWs man. They went beyond insulting internet ****, they made things personal on many occasions. So **** them the most.

1) Tim Hunt is a sexist crap. He was arguing for segregation of the sexes in school's. Why should anyone like that be involved in our education? Please, explain that to me.

Link- https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...n-after-commenting-on-the-trouble-with-girls/


<“Let me tell you about my trouble with girls,” he said. “Three things happen when they are in the lab. … You fall in love with them, they fall in love with you and when you criticize them, they cry.”

The comments drew widespread outrage, intensified by continuing concerns about sexism in the sciences and a shortage of women in science and technology. >

<
“The Royal Society believes that in order to achieve everything that it can, science needs to make the best use of the research capabilities of the entire population,” the society said in a statement. “Too many talented individuals do not fulfill their scientific potential because of issues such as gender and the Society is committed to helping to put this right.

“Sir Tim Hunt was speaking as an individual and his reported comments in no way reflect the views of the Royal Society.” >

You fine that find to say? A teacher saying this about his students? Disgusting. This was in England too by the way not here in the US.

2) Matt Taylor wasn't fired that I could find. Maybe you should know context of why he was criticized-

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/nov/14/rosetta-comet-dr-matt-taylor-apology-sexist-shirt

And you have no evidence he had to move or anything else happened to him do you? You said "pretty sure." That's not evidence. There is nothing about him having to move.


3) As far as Mason goes I looked couldn't find anything credible about that. So unless you have a non-conservative source I can't find anything about that.

The only thing I found was this- http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/loc...ss-battles-economic-cyber-terrorism/74846146/

And if this was the same person you've got the story wrong. He wasn't the one being attacked. He got a letter from someone trying to talk about his views and to change them and they put her on the internet and youtube and she was getting death threats. Oh, look at that. More of the other side responding to things with violence. I'm just shocked.

(the woman talked about is a Congress woman here who was target of an assassination attempt but survived)

 

[LittlePinky82]

Okay, this is getting a bit much for my lazy ways, so I have skipped some content in my reply. I hope you don't mind.

My "issues" with feminism is probably an entirely different discussion, really.



Err, yes, that's one way You see each computer has a sort of "serial number." And anyone with a bit of experience or knowledge in networking can access their own. As well as other people's. Though that comes with a bit more knowledge.
It's all a bit tech lingo-y but essentially they can pin point the computer you're using and therefore your location at the very least. Probably can even get your information as well. Depending on how you paid for it. Using the internet also gives out your information by default. Because when you use the internet, your provider gives your computer a kind of "access code." Or IP Address. This can be used to track down your information as well.
Email is often I think another easy way to get your information. It is probably easier if you or your employer are somewhere on social media in one form or another. (Especially FB because it's security is, quite frankly, ****.) But it can still be done without it.



Yes, I am well aware of how the news manipulates it's audience. Like I said, I don't think these reflect a nationwide trend and are sensationalized stupidity at it's finest. We still need to point out the stupidity so it doesn't spread.

Democratic Socialist?
I'm afraid your political ways go over my indifferent Australian brain, mate. I barely care about my own politics. Really the only reason I vote is because I am legally obligated to. (No seriously, it's literally illegal not to vote or at least get your name checked off and throw in a blank piece of paper in the ballot.) Our news sometimes covers Trump, usually to ogle the "controversial American." But that's as far as my American Political knowledge goes, I'm afraid.

You're probably right. Darkest before the dawn, or whatever, right?

Im starting to feel lazy myself with responding. So if you want we can end here. Ive enjoyed our discussion and if you want to respond definitely feel free to pm me. I was just thinking about it and we've gone off topic lol though I think, for the most part, our discussion has been relevant. With the internet stuff I was aware of that from when I took an internet crime class working on my criminal justice degree. The internet can be scary. Im not knowledgeable on terms and the exact science of it all lol. If you want to ever fan over louis or anything my inbox is always open.

 

[SomeRandom]

Yeah evangelicals are well interesting. If you want more with them check out the writings from Chris Hedges and Kevin Phillips. Very good.

Ehh, I already have like 20000 books on my TBR. Maybe later lol

The whole problem with cops as an institution now is two things 1) the militarization over the past decade and 2) the us vs them mentality. And it's already told and known that they specifically target black neighborhoods.

Here's an ex cop from Baltimore that exposes it all-

Well then clearly this is a problem your Government should intrude on. Like I don't know, some sort of Royal Commission or whatever the American equivalent of that would be.
Storm Washington and drum up ****. I don't know, whatever it is you Americans do to get the attention of your Polies.

The Minority blog yes. Listverse I don't see how they're relevant they seem to be a top ten list website. Psychology today depends on who writes the editorials. And yes the media is ran by conservatives here. They over took it in the 90's after Bill Clinton got rid of the Fairness Doctrine.

But the students are the ones who are going to go and participate. You're not going to invite someone and then have an empty room.

Listverse was my tongue in cheek jab at politics polluting literally everything for the Americans.
And really? I suppose if I ****ing Love Science is neo progressive then fine, Psychology today can be conservative.
Though it begs the question who the **** do you go to for your news then, if it's all "conservative lies?" The freaking BBC??

I would do it. But then I'm just oppositional like that lol.

I mean hell, from what I've seen of Erin Prizzey (the first lady to put up a battered women's shelter in the 70s) she speaks to very few people. Which is a shame, but considering how the rad fems completely destroyed her vision, ousted her from her own outreach, terrorized her to the point where she fled her home, and were dismayed when she dared to say, "hey men can experience violence too and it can be reciprocal violence at that," it's just another injustice gone unnoticed by the mainstream because it's uncomfortable for their narrative. Which is what I'm starting to see the more I look into these things. Le sigh. She's a strong mother****er though, so respect.
Seriously look into her, look into what she does. She's probably still stuck in many ways in the past with her beliefs, but at the same time you gotta give her credit for her steel.

1)Tim Hunt is a sexist crap. He was arguing for segregation of the sexes in school's. Why should anyone like that be involved in our education? Please, explain that to me.

Wait, you call me out for posting Conservative lying sources, then link the freaking Washington Post? A known LIAR especially when it comes to topics of SJW feminism (especially in regards to again, Gamer Gate. Seeing a pattern here?) Umm pot meet kettle.

You do realize of course that his wife is an accomplished scientist who stood beside him, his previous female students have rallied around him calling him inspirational and more than helpful in their early careers and this man who was doing work that could have potentially saved MILLIONS of lives was ousted from his job for simply saying something off color, right?
Oh and then they got attacked by the rad Fems for "not being real feminists." Give me a break.

Oh and it appears there is some discrepancy in the account made by the accuser a Miss Connie St Louis. His statements appear more to be off color ironic humor, he prefaced the comments with a tongue in cheek ironic comment about how he's a "chauvinistic monster." Made at a lunch to done specifically in order to CELEBRATE female Scientists. It's just off color British humor, they tend to say things like this.

But I suppose The Daily Mail UK is too conservative a source for you, right?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ob-reveals-troubling-questions-testimony.html

How about the Guardian? Still too Conservative for you?

http://www.theguardian.com/science/...storm-reignited-scientist-quits-writers-group

Why not just give me a list of those sources you trust, eh? Not saying I'd trust them necessarily either though, so be warned.

He never ONCE campaigned for segregation of the sexes in schools, he never ONCE said that females never ought to go into STEM fields and he never ONCE said that they need to segregated. He simply pointed out, in perhaps an outdated humorous way, that mixed labs can create distractions because of heterosexual relationships. And he's right. No matter the environment, it is very possible that two working heterosexual colleagues would be distracted or have their professional relationship compromised by getting into a sexual relationship. What he said reflects heterosexuality more than females being "distractions." I mean you could just as easily interpret the message as males being distractions for female scientists as well.
His comment about women "crying" was more than likely a jab at his being old, it's a joke. Calm your farm, as we say.
And for that the man deserves to loose his livelihood? I don't give a damn if he went up and yelled to the world that his ultimate idol was ****ing Hitler. Provided he didn't break the law his work still has my support.
I mean, good god mate, what lofty saintly being still has your unadulterated support? Everyone on the planet, no matter their accomplishments can be total and complete dicks. Hell Ghandi was a known racist!!
My greatest hero growing up was Oscar Wilde and he was not exactly the most moral man if you get my drift. But his personal opinions don't color his works, because I'm not so petty as to dismiss his talent and works just because he was most likely sexist and definitely racist. Some of us can look past human flaws to see the potential for good.

But I suppose it's more important to protect the "big strong females" from............off color humor than it is to potentially cure several types of cancer!!!
You know, I know females in STEM. I sincerely doubt they are weak enough mentally to be in any way shape or form been damaged by this in the slightest.
What, do I expect too much of my fellow females?


As for Matt Taylor, the man landed a Rocket on a ****ing Comet!!!! This is like a huge achievement in Science today. This is like our generation's version of the Moon Landing. The guy could have done the interview in women's underwear, holding a chain whip wearing a leather ****ing corset, in giant stiletto heels with tons of women's make up on for all I care. (Sorry, got Rocky Horror on my mind at the moment, but you get the idea.) But no, it's far more important to decry his wearing a shirt designed by a close female friend of his (hint hint hint!!) and bring the man to tears than it is to celebrate his ginormous accomplishment in science. Perhaps the defining moment in the man's career.
Excuse me while my faith in humanity plummets to the depths of underworld and beyond.
There is a time and a place for decrying sexism, those harpies could have had the common decency to wait a week or two instead of bullying him mercilessly online practically immediately.

Again going back to the women in STEM, they are not so ****ing weak as to be accosted by this sci fi designed shirt. Which is probably more empowering to women really, I mean the women on his shirt are all holding guns and presumably just got done kicking the *** of some alien. I mean the shirt is more quirky than it is sexist. But no, big strong women should be protected from this, obviously.
Back to expecting too much of my fellow females, again.

Okay, I have to cut this short as work is a calling, I shall respond to the rest later. Hope you don't mind.

 

[SomeRandom]

3) As far as Mason goes I looked couldn't find anything credible about that. So unless you have a non-conservative source I can't find anything about that.

The only thing I found was this- http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/loc...ss-battles-economic-cyber-terrorism/74846146/

And if this was the same person you've got the story wrong. He wasn't the one being attacked. He got a letter from someone trying to talk about his views and to change them and they put her on the internet and youtube and she was getting death threats. Oh, look at that. More of the other side responding to things with violence. I'm just shocked.

I followed that whole debacle from the very beginning on Youtube (slightly against my will. You know like seeing a train wreck? Just can't look away.) Which must be almost a few months or so by now, geesh. How soap opera-y is YouTube, am I right?
Anyway, yeah, that news story you linked? Yeah I already saw it and I was pretty appalled to no end..at the sheer lack of integrity, lack of research and the outright bold faced lies allowed to go unchallenged by the station. As an aspiring Journo I was downright embarrassed that such fraudulent work was allowed by this station.. You want to talk to me about lying sources? THAT'S what a lying source looks like, my friend. Disgraceful.

Anyways.
So I'll give you a quick rundown just for frame of reference. A YT user named Jennifer Keller aka Laughing Witch didn't like it when Dr Phil Mason aka Thunderf00t made all these criticisms against Sarkeesian. Which she labels as "harassment." (Yes, I've seen his criticisms. I'll say this, people who are actually harassed in real life or online would punch you in the face for calling that harassment. Trivializing the issue, much?)
Again, I don't actually agree with Mason 100% in this complete inanity of a debacle. And he seems a tad arrogant at times, but he's not an all out terrible bloke from what I can gather. His science based videos are also very interesting and awesome regardless of any of this crap. If this doesn't turn you off, I highly recommend them.
So after some back and forth, LW got some of her buddies, a user by the name of Bewildered Ape, another by the name of Hannibal the Victor 13 (I don't know if he's still active or not. But his allegations of sexual assault kind of got him the cold shoulder, if you get me. Oh and he also publicly threatened to physically harm Mason in at least one of his video responses. Nice.) And a lady by the name of Jenny McDermot.
So in essence they created a little letter writing campaign essentially writing to his employer, the police and the newspapers calling him a Nazi and a racist in the hopes of getting him fired. TF didn't get fired because he happens to be in a job where his employer literally doesn't give a **** if you support Nazis or genocide, it appears. Not many people can claim such a luxury. Anyways, in a video done by her own volition, Laughing Witch proudly showed her audience her real name and showed the letter SHE wrote. In response Thundy showed that particular clip in his video response calling her out for her basically being a cuntrag.
Now, was that the right call on his behalf? Maybe not. But regardless he did it. So the people who were following this were quite disgusted by all this and so googled her real name. That came up with a YELP page for her husband's business and they left reviews and comments essentially calling her out for her own actions. Oh and if that wasn't enough there is proof documented by Mason himself of Laughing Witch leaving at least one fake good review on her own YELP page.
Then she deleted her channel, so I can't link her original videos unfortunately. But she came back with a new channel in order to issue an apology of sorts. Kind of more sorry for the **** that happened to her, ****ing sociopath.
Then it oddly came to light that a gofundme campaign or whatever you Americans call it was started by the couple claiming it was for their staff. Asking for, get this, roughly the same amount they were ordered by a court of law to pay not two months before this drama started. Hmmmmmm.

Oh and that lady Jenny Mcdermot and another user by the name of Kevin Logan publicly mocked and/or claimed TF was lying about his dad dying of ****ing cancer!!! Classy. Kindly don't presume to lecture me about the moral high ground of either side of this ****storm, thank you very much. Words cannot begin to describe my utter contempt for people who would even consider using someone's cancer or a loved one dying of cancer as cheap point scoring exercises. I wouldn't do that to my worst enemy, mate.
Having said that however, as someone who watched some of Jenny's work for balance to the story, I'm not entirely sure she's sane. I mean sure, I know hyperbole is most likely involved given that it's a YT persona most likely. But you ever get a creepy vibe off someone? Like a crazy stalker type vibe? Yeahhhh. *shudders*

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIIxYC5W8AEGsll.png:large

(The last 40 seconds or so specifically, but you can watch the whole thing if you want.) And for the record, short of mocking someone else for dying of cancer or AIDS or whatever, I don't think one should reasonably expect that that would be an okay response from someone criticizing you.
Oh yeah, but it's the other side which is only responding with this ****, right? If someone mocked you for your dad dying of cancer, what would your response be? Come on, mate. Seriously. Oh and in another delicious piece of awfulness, on Twitter Laughing Witch sent this utter disrespectful piece of **** to be her go between and start a dialogue. It's one thing to make a simpering attempt at "peace" it's quite another to use the very person who essentially mocks you for complaining (reasonably so) that people are using your father dying of CANCER to score points in a supposed "debate" in order to broker peace with you. Oh but we have to feel so so sorry for Laughing Witch, amirite?


And yes, it is rather common knowledge of the circle who followed this **** that many of the SJW camp publicly mocked a man dying of cancer and his grieving son. Just because he critiqued feminism, or rather as I see it (maybe not in Thundy's eyes) radical feminism. But it's us who are really the bad guys in this, right? Mate, seriously?

Here's what the shoddy News Report suspiciously failed to mention or bother to look into. Granted the guy lives in England but that's no excuse for such a blatant lack of basic journalistic integrity.
Please note that this is rather the tail end of this stupidity so understandably Thunderf00t is going to come across as angry maybe a bit bitter or otherwise upset. You don't have to watch all of any of the the vids, because they're long as ****. But they're as close as documented proof of this **** as I can get. Given that I don't really know what you consider to be a "non conservative" news source.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeklduOaEt8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEovq3UHfRU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qY689h8Tos

Here's smaller ones lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCNZX1ktkh4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdJhY5HLvtE

And the original letter if you're interested. Sorry the quality is so ****. I don't think anyone got the chance to mirror the video before she quit YT after the **** blew up in her face. And.... well let's just say this is not the first time we on YouTube have seen hardcore SJWs threaten, harass or publicly try to fire someone for having a different opinion only to then quickly delete all evidence of their ****ty behavior and cry to the Mainstream News Outlets claiming victimhood after YT responds to their **** (sometimes aggressively. But at least maybe now you can see why that response might be understandable?) Do you see why I'm rather against this poisonous mentality now!!? And why I am beginning to become disillusioned by so called SJ and Third Wave Feminism? I see this **** more and more and it makes me sick. And what's worse is unless you're involved or watch it from day one, you often times can't get the full story, least of all from ANY news source. Because they don't care about integrity in these instances, only besmirching the internet as a cesspool (which it is, but still. You get what I mean, right?)
And for the record, the people who backed TF in this duststorm, come from ALL political ties, everything from all out Marxists to hardcore conservatives, even hardcore Christians. And you know why that is? It's because many of us are fed up by this total lack of fairness in all of this. Women are considered victims by default, men are automatically guilty and people like me who simply speak out against actual injustice are called "anti feminists" "MRA's" or "Right wingers," regardless of our personal opinions.

Also I did try to link all relevant things from both sides of this. But the comment section is rather limited, I hope you understand.

http://s16.postimg.org/43r2kjaol/laughingliar.jpg

 

[Revoltingest]

Princeton students angry over prez Woodrow Wilson.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/18/p...ents-office-demand-erasure-of-woodrow-wilson/
He favored segregation, but also women's right to vote.
Feminists v SJWs?

 

[SomeRandom]

Princeton students angry over prez Woodrow Wilson.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/18/p...ents-office-demand-erasure-of-woodrow-wilson/
He favored segregation, but also women's right to vote.
Feminists v SJWs?

Oooohh, the plot thickens.

 

[Revoltingest]

Boy, am I glad they didn't have such things when I was in school....
http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7006

The University of Vermont held a three-day retreat so students who “self-identify as white” could confront their own “white privilege.”

“Examining White Privilege: A Retreat for Undergraduate Students Who Self-Identify as White” took place last weekend, November 13-15, and was “specifically for white students.”

 

[LittlePinky82]

Ehh, I already have like 20000 books on my TBR. Maybe later lol



Well then clearly this is a problem your Government should intrude on. Like I don't know, some sort of Royal Commission or whatever the American equivalent of that would be.
Storm Washington and drum up ****. I don't know, whatever it is you Americans do to get the attention of your Polies.



Listverse was my tongue in cheek jab at politics polluting literally everything for the Americans.
And really? I suppose if I ****ing Love Science is neo progressive then fine, Psychology today can be conservative.
Though it begs the question who the **** do you go to for your news then, if it's all "conservative lies?" The freaking BBC??

I would do it. But then I'm just oppositional like that lol.

I mean hell, from what I've seen of Erin Prizzey (the first lady to put up a battered women's shelter in the 70s) she speaks to very few people. Which is a shame, but considering how the rad fems completely destroyed her vision, ousted her from her own outreach, terrorized her to the point where she fled her home, and were dismayed when she dared to say, "hey men can experience violence too and it can be reciprocal violence at that," it's just another injustice gone unnoticed by the mainstream because it's uncomfortable for their narrative. Which is what I'm starting to see the more I look into these things. Le sigh. She's a strong mother****er though, so respect.
Seriously look into her, look into what she does. She's probably still stuck in many ways in the past with her beliefs, but at the same time you gotta give her credit for her steel.



Wait, you call me out for posting Conservative lying sources, then link the freaking Washington Post? A known LIAR especially when it comes to topics of SJW feminism (especially in regards to again, Gamer Gate. Seeing a pattern here?) Umm pot meet kettle.

You do realize of course that his wife is an accomplished scientist who stood beside him, his previous female students have rallied around him calling him inspirational and more than helpful in their early careers and this man who was doing work that could have potentially saved MILLIONS of lives was ousted from his job for simply saying something off color, right?
Oh and then they got attacked by the rad Fems for "not being real feminists." Give me a break.

Oh and it appears there is some discrepancy in the account made by the accuser a Miss Connie St Louis. His statements appear more to be off color ironic humor, he prefaced the comments with a tongue in cheek ironic comment about how he's a "chauvinistic monster." Made at a lunch to done specifically in order to CELEBRATE female Scientists. It's just off color British humor, they tend to say things like this.

But I suppose The Daily Mail UK is too conservative a source for you, right?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ob-reveals-troubling-questions-testimony.html

How about the Guardian? Still too Conservative for you?

http://www.theguardian.com/science/...storm-reignited-scientist-quits-writers-group

Why not just give me a list of those sources you trust, eh? Not saying I'd trust them necessarily either though, so be warned.

He never ONCE campaigned for segregation of the sexes in schools, he never ONCE said that females never ought to go into STEM fields and he never ONCE said that they need to segregated. He simply pointed out, in perhaps an outdated humorous way, that mixed labs can create distractions because of heterosexual relationships. And he's right. No matter the environment, it is very possible that two working heterosexual colleagues would be distracted or have their professional relationship compromised by getting into a sexual relationship. What he said reflects heterosexuality more than females being "distractions." I mean you could just as easily interpret the message as males being distractions for female scientists as well.
His comment about women "crying" was more than likely a jab at his being old, it's a joke. Calm your farm, as we say.
And for that the man deserves to loose his livelihood? I don't give a damn if he went up and yelled to the world that his ultimate idol was ****ing Hitler. Provided he didn't break the law his work still has my support.
I mean, good god mate, what lofty saintly being still has your unadulterated support? Everyone on the planet, no matter their accomplishments can be total and complete dicks. Hell Ghandi was a known racist!!
My greatest hero growing up was Oscar Wilde and he was not exactly the most moral man if you get my drift. But his personal opinions don't color his works, because I'm not so petty as to dismiss his talent and works just because he was most likely sexist and definitely racist. Some of us can look past human flaws to see the potential for good.

But I suppose it's more important to protect the "big strong females" from............off color humor than it is to potentially cure several types of cancer!!!
You know, I know females in STEM. I sincerely doubt they are weak enough mentally to be in any way shape or form been damaged by this in the slightest.
What, do I expect too much of my fellow females?


As for Matt Taylor, the man landed a Rocket on a ****ing Comet!!!! This is like a huge achievement in Science today. This is like our generation's version of the Moon Landing. The guy could have done the interview in women's underwear, holding a chain whip wearing a leather ****ing corset, in giant stiletto heels with tons of women's make up on for all I care. (Sorry, got Rocky Horror on my mind at the moment, but you get the idea.) But no, it's far more important to decry his wearing a shirt designed by a close female friend of his (hint hint hint!!) and bring the man to tears than it is to celebrate his ginormous accomplishment in science. Perhaps the defining moment in the man's career.
Excuse me while my faith in humanity plummets to the depths of underworld and beyond.
There is a time and a place for decrying sexism, those harpies could have had the common decency to wait a week or two instead of bullying him mercilessly online practically immediately.

Again going back to the women in STEM, they are not so ****ing weak as to be accosted by this sci fi designed shirt. Which is probably more empowering to women really, I mean the women on his shirt are all holding guns and presumably just got done kicking the *** of some alien. I mean the shirt is more quirky than it is sexist. But no, big strong women should be protected from this, obviously.
Back to expecting too much of my fellow females, again.

Okay, I have to cut this short as work is a calling, I shall respond to the rest later. Hope you don't mind.

Okay you're calling the Post liars? The Post is a well respected newspaper here. They aren't the Washington Times which ARE liars. Maybe you're confusing them? The Post has a long and present history of ethical journalism since the days of Woodward and Bernstein who are more known in journalism as "Deep Throat." Surely you're familiar with them if you know anything about journalism. People generally respect them (the Post) who are familiar with their reporting.

As far as Hunt the article points that he was mocking himself. So, where does that disprove his comments and his line of thinking?

And no he's not right. Anyone who has such views of female students of science (and saying it at an event supposed to celebrate female students and scientists, really? and in a socially conservative society like South Korea who already have issues of gender and the work force) and is a teacher honestly if it was me who had him as a professor, speaking as a woman, I would be worried about his bias. If he was letting his bias get in the way of students work because of their gender a person like that shouldn't be teaching quite frankly.

So, if he really is doing this tongue and cheek thing: where's the video? In this day and age surely there was video. But you haven't shared any yet? So how are we supposed to judge his tone and his intentions if we only have the text?

And first the Guardian reported he was saying he was honest and now oh it was tongue in cheek. So, which is it? (Source- http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jun/12/tim-hunt-trouble-with-girls-in-science-comment )



Taylor wasn't fired or anything. People didn't like his shirt because he had a naked woman on it. So, what's your point?

Princeton students angry over prez Woodrow Wilson.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/18/p...ents-office-demand-erasure-of-woodrow-wilson/
He favored segregation, but also women's right to vote.
Feminists v SJWs?

So you're taking the Daily Caller serious now? Should I post some articles from the Daily Beast as well? What about Daily Kos?

 

[Revoltingest]

Okay you're calling the Post liars? The Post is a well respected newspaper here. They aren't the Washington Times which ARE liars. Maybe you're confusing them? The Post has a long and present history of ethical journalism since the days of Woodward and Bernstein who are more known in journalism as "Deep Throat." Surely you're familiar with them if you know anything about journalism. People generally respect them (the Post) who are familiar with their reporting.

As far as Hunt the article points that he was mocking himself. So, where does that disprove his comments and his line of thinking?

And no he's not right. Anyone who has such views of female students of science (and saying it at an event supposed to celebrate female students and scientists, really? and in a socially conservative society like South Korea who already have issues of gender and the work force) and is a teacher honestly if it was me who had him as a professor, speaking as a woman, I would be worried about his bias. If he was letting his bias get in the way of students work because of their gender a person like that shouldn't be teaching quite frankly.

So, if he really is doing this tongue and cheek thing: where's the video? In this day and age surely there was video. But you haven't shared any yet? So how are we supposed to judge his tone and his intentions if we only have the text?

And first the Guardian reported he was saying he was honest and now oh it was tongue in cheek. So, which is it? (Source- http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jun/12/tim-hunt-trouble-with-girls-in-science-comment )



Taylor wasn't fired or anything. People didn't like his shirt because he had a naked woman on it. So, what's your point?




So you're taking the Daily Caller serious now? Should I post some articles from the Daily Beast as well? What about Daily Kos?

The Wa Po doesn't lie?
Google "Janet Cooke".

Here we go again with "sources".
Instead of addressing the issue, you only decry the sources.

 

[Revoltingest]

If you want to be taken seriously use sources that aren't known for lying.

The Post blithely ran the story series because it suited their agenda.
Again, you deflect from the issues by attacking the sources solely because you don't like the stories, which you don't dispute.
This leaves nothing to discuss.