Yet more reason to despise people of violence

[sandandfoam]

So it's a pretty straightforward question; if we're talking about immediate threat of violence to your child, would violence in protection of that child conceivably be a moral option to you if it was the best way, in that particular instance, to protect the life of your child?

Yes it would. However, IMHO it is never going to be the best way.

 

[sandandfoam]

How are you differentiating between pacifism and non-violence?

Google pacifism v non violence and you should find plenty of answers - if you don't find an answer let me know and I will spend the time giving you one

 

[sandandfoam]

Just to clarify here... are you hating the act or the person?

I'm despising them.
I have difficulty disentangling the act and the person. I don't despise those who used to be violent.

 

[nazz]

Google pacifism v non violence and you should find plenty of answers - if you don't find an answer let me know and I will spend the time giving you one

OK, right off the bat I got this from wiki:

Pacifism is opposition to war and violence.

Likewise wiki says of nonviolence:

Nonviolence is the personal practice of being harmless to self and others under every condition.

But there is also this:

Some pacifists follow principles of nonviolence, believing that nonviolent action is morally superior and/or nonpragmatically most effective. Some pacifists, however, support physical violence for emergency defence of self or others.

Is that what you are talking about?

 

[sandandfoam]

OK, right off the bat I got this from wiki:

Pacifism is opposition to war and violence.

Likewise wiki says of nonviolence:

Nonviolence is the personal practice of being harmless to self and others under every condition.

But there is also this:

Some pacifists follow principles of nonviolence, believing that nonviolent action is morally superior and/or nonpragmatically most effective. Some pacifists, however, support physical violence for emergency defence of self or others.

Is that what you are talking about?

Hi Nazz,

I have a particular liking for Kurlansky's 'Non-Violence, the history of a dangerous idea' his explanation is one that I like,
On p.6 he states "Nonviolence is not the same thing as pacifism, for which there are many words. Pacifism is treated almost as a psychological condition. It is a state of mind. Pacifism is passive but non-violence is active. Pacifism is harmless and therefore easier to accept than nonviolence which is dangerous. When Jesus Christ said that a victim should turn the other cheek he was preaching pacifism. But when he said that an enemy should be won over with the power of love, he was preaching nonviolence. Nonviolence, exactly like violence, is a means of persuasion, a technique for political activism, a recipe for prevailing."

 

[nazz]

Hi Nazz,

I have a particular liking for Kurlansky's 'Non-Violence, the history of a dangerous idea' his explanation is one that I like,
On p.6 he states "Nonviolence is not the same thing as pacifism, for which there are many words. Pacifism is treated almost as a psychological condition. It is a state of mind. Pacifism is passive but non-violence is active. Pacifism is harmless and therefore easier to accept than nonviolence which is dangerous. When Jesus Christ said that a victim should turn the other cheek he was preaching pacifism. But when he said that an enemy should be won over with the power of love, he was preaching nonviolence. Nonviolence, exactly like violence, is a means of persuasion, a technique for political activism, a recipe for prevailing."

I just don't agree with that. Pacifism does not mean non-resistance, IMO. There is another word for that but it escapes me at the moment. And turning the other cheek is not a passive response.

 

[Me Myself]

Despising someone is violence.

 

[sandandfoam]

I just don't agree with that.

Fine.

 

[sandandfoam]

Despising someone is violence.

It is clear that there is no agreement generally as to what constitutes violence. As I think I said previously, to despise is to feel contempt or repugnance for. I feel both contempt and repugnance towards people who would murder and I make no apology for it.
If you regard my view as violent I am good with that.

 

[Me Myself]

It is clear that there is no agreement generally as to what constitutes violence. As I think I said previously, to despise is to feel contempt or repugnance for. I feel both contempt and repugnance towards people who would murder and I make no apology for it.
If you regard my view as violent I am good with that.

Okay.

The way I see it, we are all violent.

Violent emotions lead to violent actions though, so I try keep those in check. (Not at all always succesfuly)

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

Wrong thread lol