YHWH: Worship ONE GOD, not MANY GODS. Worship Me, alone!

[Soapy]

Hi Soapy,

YHWH is God. But he took on flesh and was here on earth as the Messiah. So the Messiah was God manifest in the flesh. The Trinity is an incorrect doctrine.

WHAT???!!!!!

You are confusing the truth with nonsense.

What is your belief…. Is it Oneness? Christadelphian? Modalism?

Sorrg to ask but I’m not seeing what you believe if you debunk trinity.

Why? Because it appears you speak a trinity language but claim against trinity…. I can’t figure what you believe!

You say that YHWH put on flesh and came into his own creation to save his own creation whk had gone corrupt. You are saying that YHWH spoke to himself in prayer asking for the Holy Spirit to be sent from himself.

You are saying that YHWH DIED to save mankind after saying that he contemplated DESTROYING MAN?

Surely NOTHING is proved if the creator and almighty God SAVES HIS OWN CREATION FROM ETERNAL DEATH??!!

No, the purpose of YHWH granting mankind the chance to save ITSELF by the death of an innocent, holy, and sinless HUMAN BEING was to show that MAN CAN LIVE A SINLESS LIFE… it would be pointless for an UNSINNABLE GOD to pretend to be put to the test and incredibly resist sin AND THEN TAKE ON SIN and DIE … only to raised up again by GOD whom he is… AND GRANTED himself an immortal body …. A body GOD does not need… whoa! Spirit is so much greater than a restricted physical human body - even if it is an immortal body.

Why would YHWH put himself in a straight jacket and grant himself to rule the kingdom of restricted physical beings when he is ALMIGHTY GOD and rules the kingdom of UNRESTRICTED ALMIGHTY POWER: Heaven? Remember that the world is just a ‘ROOM IN THE FATHER’S MANSION’?

But tell me, if YHWH is Jesus…. Who is the Father?

And how is YHWH given authority to judge the world BY YHWH…. And YHWH is granted to be Eternal Father when YHWH already is ETERNAL because ‘YHWH’ means ‘ETERNAL’???

Do you see why you confuse me (Well, you don’t really ‘confuse’ me, I just say it as a nice way instead of what I’d really like to say about what you said!)

 

[Soapy]

So, are you trying to say that Jesus and the Holy Spirit don't share this Godship? That's what I believe, and it looks to me that's what these scriptures are saying.

Exactly what Scripture says (by implication). Obvious scriptures isnt denying it BECAUSE THERE WAS NO NEED TO DENY WHAT WAS NEVER SAID!

Jesus is the Son of Man, by body… and the Son of God by DUTY.

Scriptures, by Jesus’ own words, says that it is the Son of man who is returning to rule over creation.

YHWH is not a man, nor a Son of Man!!

YHWH is God, and GOD is SPIRIT.

The ‘Holy Spirit’ is YHWH’s working force through which he empowers his servants to do HIS works.

 

[Soapy]

The flesh died. The Spirit of God dwelling in the flesh did not die.

This is true of ALL MANKIND… it was not a ‘Jesus only’ condition.

This is where the argument about ‘What is a Soul’ crosses over into the discussion.

The SOUL is the Person. Has anyone yet noticed that the scriptures does use the word ‘Person’? That’s because it uses ‘Soul’ instead.

Soul is the Body and the Spirit.

The body is ‘dust of the earth’ and can decay if not maintained by the SPIRIT of that person. Each SPIRIT of each PERSON has the duty to preserve the body if is in… hence we eat, clean, attend to wounds, sway from situations that will harm the body, and heck Even take pride (and done, too much pride!) in the performance and beautification of the body.

But ultimately, the spirit cannot prevent the body it is in from becoming ‘Dead’… that is, nonsustainable, either from old age or some dramatic hurt or damage.

In that situation the SPIRIT departs from the body and goes into an inert state, called ‘Sleeping in thr bosom of God who created it’. It is INERT… it cannot influence or take part in the physical world (there’s no such thing as a ‘GHOST’: an unembodied Spirit roaming the earth, this medieval myth and old wives tale… frightening as it might have seemed it is NOT REAL!)

The person is NOT DESTROYED… Yes, only the body is destroyed … decayed back to dust eventually in time… but the SPIRIT is just ‘Sleeping’. This is called a ‘DEAD SOUL’ - a ‘DEAD PERSON’… but still a PERSON!! Still a SOUL!

Memories about that SOUL, that person, are still available. When the resurrection takes place, a body is created for that soul and the Spirit is put into it and that person is a LIVING SOUL… a living Person.

But, if GOD, and ONLY GOD CAN, destroys the SPIRIT of that person, then ALL MEMORIES of that person is GONE… there will be remembrance of them!

This only happens once, at the end of time when Jesus judges mankind and the angels. All those judged unworthy will have their SPIRIT DESTROYED. when the Spirit is destroyed… there will be no remembrance of that person - that soul no longer exists.

God GRANTS the destruction privilege to Jesus… !!!

Imagine if, living for eternity, those in the afterlife could still ‘LOOK BACK’ (yeah, Lot’s wife!!) eternally on wickedness seen, occurred to them, or thought of or by them!! No, All such things are destroyed and there will be no remembrance because the spirit of them will be gone!

If you can understand this concept then there is no problem with those who raise the question of ‘Did Jesus die!’ And the sad comeback of ‘No, only his body died’….

The ‘only his body died’ is Trinitarians way of thinking they got away with saying that JESUS US GOD BUT GOD DIDN’T DIE …

It so sad that people who claim to possess a truth of YHWH (‘Do not abuse my name using it to claim a truth when it is false!!’) have to come up with elaborate by transparently false claims - all just to satisfy a devilish ideology called trinity!!!

 

[moorea944]

WHAT???!!!!!

You are confusing the truth with nonsense.

What is your belief…. Is it Oneness? Christadelphian? Modalism?

Sorrg to ask but I’m not seeing what you believe if you debunk trinity.

Why? Because it appears you speak a trinity language but claim against trinity…. I can’t figure what you believe!

You say that YHWH put on flesh and came into his own creation to save his own creation whk had gone corrupt. You are saying that YHWH spoke to himself in prayer asking for the Holy Spirit to be sent from himself.

You are saying that YHWH DIED to save mankind after saying that he contemplated DESTROYING MAN?

Surely NOTHING is proved if the creator and almighty God SAVES HIS OWN CREATION FROM ETERNAL DEATH??!!

No, the purpose of YHWH granting mankind the chance to save ITSELF by the death of an innocent, holy, and sinless HUMAN BEING was to show that MAN CAN LIVE A SINLESS LIFE… it would be pointless for an UNSINNABLE GOD to pretend to be put to the test and incredibly resist sin AND THEN TAKE ON SIN and DIE … only to raised up again by GOD whom he is… AND GRANTED himself an immortal body …. A body GOD does not need… whoa! Spirit is so much greater than a restricted physical human body - even if it is an immortal body.

Why would YHWH put himself in a straight jacket and grant himself to rule the kingdom of restricted physical beings when he is ALMIGHTY GOD and rules the kingdom of UNRESTRICTED ALMIGHTY POWER: Heaven? Remember that the world is just a ‘ROOM IN THE FATHER’S MANSION’?

But tell me, if YHWH is Jesus…. Who is the Father?

And how is YHWH given authority to judge the world BY YHWH…. And YHWH is granted to be Eternal Father when YHWH already is ETERNAL because ‘YHWH’ means ‘ETERNAL’???

Do you see why you confuse me (Well, you don’t really ‘confuse’ me, I just say it as a nice way instead of what I’d really like to say about what you said!)

What dont you like about the Oneness, Christadelphian and Modalism? Just curious.....

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I see that all the diversity of faith means they all can't be true or correct.

I see that line of thinking is also why some races of people think they are better than another.

Look at the diversity of the human race, but yet we are still all human.

We are one planet in an infinite space yet we are one universe.

We are all one people under One God as soon as our fames of references embrace that Oneness. In a blink of an eye, in one split moment we can become One with all. People and all Faith.

It is inevitable, it is foretold it will be so in the Word you have quoted and started this OP from.

I pray for the day when the doors to that light are flung open by all those that are asleep, just as the book you quote from warned us not to do, lest we be caught like a thief in the night.

All the best and may we all be one under One God.

Regards Tony

 

[TrueBeliever37]

WHAT???!!!!!

You are confusing the truth with nonsense.

What is your belief…. Is it Oneness? Christadelphian? Modalism?

Sorrg to ask but I’m not seeing what you believe if you debunk trinity.

Why? Because it appears you speak a trinity language but claim against trinity…. I can’t figure what you believe!

You say that YHWH put on flesh and came into his own creation to save his own creation whk had gone corrupt. You are saying that YHWH spoke to himself in prayer asking for the Holy Spirit to be sent from himself.

You are saying that YHWH DIED to save mankind after saying that he contemplated DESTROYING MAN?

Surely NOTHING is proved if the creator and almighty God SAVES HIS OWN CREATION FROM ETERNAL DEATH??!!

No, the purpose of YHWH granting mankind the chance to save ITSELF by the death of an innocent, holy, and sinless HUMAN BEING was to show that MAN CAN LIVE A SINLESS LIFE… it would be pointless for an UNSINNABLE GOD to pretend to be put to the test and incredibly resist sin AND THEN TAKE ON SIN and DIE … only to raised up again by GOD whom he is… AND GRANTED himself an immortal body …. A body GOD does not need… whoa! Spirit is so much greater than a restricted physical human body - even if it is an immortal body.

Why would YHWH put himself in a straight jacket and grant himself to rule the kingdom of restricted physical beings when he is ALMIGHTY GOD and rules the kingdom of UNRESTRICTED ALMIGHTY POWER: Heaven? Remember that the world is just a ‘ROOM IN THE FATHER’S MANSION’?

But tell me, if YHWH is Jesus…. Who is the Father?

And how is YHWH given authority to judge the world BY YHWH…. And YHWH is granted to be Eternal Father when YHWH already is ETERNAL because ‘YHWH’ means ‘ETERNAL’???

Do you see why you confuse me (Well, you don’t really ‘confuse’ me, I just say it as a nice way instead of what I’d really like to say about what you said!)

You are confused and don't understand. I never said YHWH died - That is you putting an inaccurate spin on what I said. The Spirit of YHWH didn't die, the fleshly body he took on died. There is a difference.

Read Acts 20:28 which says ... feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. Now tell me who that was.

 

[JerryMyers]

Your answers are ridiculous. To not accept other verses just because they were not spoken by the Messiah is also ridiculous.

It’s about testing all spirits as advised by Jesus himself. In 1 John 4:1, Jesus told you to test all spirits so that you can know whether the man who is preaching to you is inspired by God or inspired by Satan. The only way you can do that is to know and understand, as in the case of Christians, what God and/or His prophet, Jesus said or DID NOT say. In other words, what the man is preaching to you must echo what God or His prophet, Jesus said (or did not say). For example, if someone preaches to you that Jesus can do anything because Jesus is God, then, you should know that cannot be true because Jesus himself had said that he, by himself, can do nothing (John 5:30). It would be a false belief to think that Jesus are doing all those miracles and wonders (as recorded in your Bible) all by himself when it was God who was actually doing all those miracles and wonders through Jesus - “Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.” Acts 2:22

The word says all the scripture is given by inspiration of God. 2 Timothy 3:16

‘All scripture’ in 2Timothy 3:16 is directed to the ORIGINAL scripture, NOT to the Bible you have today. The Bible you have today is a copy of a copy, of a copy, of a copy……..of a translated copy of a translated copy….of the original scripture. By today, the Bible you have is already a mixture of truth and lies. The corruption of the scripture even happened in Jeremiah’s time and this is evidenced when God told Jeremiah to tell his people “‘How can you say, “We are wise, for we have the law of the Lord,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?” – Jeremiah 8:8

Hebrews 9:26-28
Here are a few from the Messiah if that helps you.
Luke 24:46-47
Luke 9:22 (must suffer, be slain, and be raised again the third day)
John 6:51 (my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world)
John 15:13-14 (He laid down his life for his friends - those who obey him.)

Apart from the fact that Jesus loves to speak figuratively and in parables, do you think only Jesus has to endure pain and persecution in his lifetime?? Most, if not all, prophets had endured pain and persecutions and some are even killed just for carrying the Message of God to the people. Even Jesus acknowledged this fact when he said “Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you”

 

[Brian2]

Your problem is that there is only one YHWH. I agree that the Messiah was YHWH but not in the same way you claim.

Which of your 3 is the Father? The one called the Father or the Holy Spirit as it says in Matthew 1:18-20 ?

The Father is not the Father of flesh, He is the Father of spirits. The Father was the Father of His Son in eternity past and the becoming a human was the transfer of the spirit/life of the Son to be joined to a human body. The Holy Spirit can do that and the Father still remain the Father of Jesus.
The Spirit of God is everywhere and the Father and Son are in the Spirit and when Jesus ascended He went back to filling the whole universe in the Holy Spirit, as well as being specifically in heaven with the Father and in believers with the Father and through the Holy Spirit.
God told Moses that He would be with him in the wilderness and that was through the Holy Spirit in whom is the presence of God.
Eph 4:10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.
John 14:15 “If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”
22 Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?”
23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.
Ex 33:14-19 GOD said, “My presence will go with you. I’ll see the journey to the end.” Moses said, “If your presence doesn’t take the lead here, call this trip off right now. How else will it be known that you’re with me in this, with me and your people? Are you traveling with us or not? How else will we know that we’re special, I and your people, among all other people on this planet Earth?” GOD said to Moses: “All right. Just as you say; this also I will do, for I know you well and you are special to me. I know you by name.”
Isa 63:9 In all their distress, He too was afflicted, and the Angel of His Presence saved them. In His love and compassion He redeemed them; He lifted them up and carried them all the days of old. 10 But they rebelled and grieved His Holy Spirit. So He turned and became their enemy, and He Himself fought against them.

For me the Holy Spirit is another, as in distinct, but incorporates the Father and Son also. That seems to be what the scriptures teach imo.
If I see the Father I am seeing the 3 because in Him is the Spirit and Son.
If I see the Son I am seeing the 3 because in Him is the Spirit and Father.
If I see the Spirit at work I am seeing the 3 working because in Him is the Father and Son.
There are 3 but it is one Yahweh.

 

[Soapy]

You are confused and don't understand. I never said YHWH died - That is you putting an inaccurate spin on what I said. The Spirit of YHWH didn't die, the fleshly body he took on died. There is a difference.

Read Acts 20:28 which says ... feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. Now tell me who that was.

Listen carefully!!!

I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID!!!!!

The Spirit of YHWH is the Holy Spirit… of course the Holy Spirit didn’t die! No one - nobody EVER made such a ludicrous and insane claim!

You said that GOD came down to earth in flesh. THEREFORE it would be GOD who DIED on the cross ACCORDING TO YOUR BELIEF !

You can delude yourself that it isn’t what you think you said but that’s just the problem IT IS…

God does not ever come into his creation. He sends his servants, the holy angels who are endowed with his almighty power. In the case of Jesus, Jesus was empowered also with the Holy Spirit:

• “Behold my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen, in whom my soul delights; I have put my Spirit upon him; he will bring forth justice to the nations.” (Isaiah 42:1)
• “You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached—how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.“ (Acts 10:37-38)
• “But he said, “I must proclaim the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns also, because that is why I was sent.” (Luke 4:43)

John 17 has Jesus praying to ‘THE ONLY TRUE GOD’: YHWH.

Yet you say it is this same ‘Only True God’, YHWH himself, whom is praying to YHWH, the only true God.

You are saying that YHWH was the one who died on the cross.

And I DEFINED TO YOU all about what ‘Death’, ‘Dying’, ‘Sleeping in the bosom of God’, inert spirit resting with God, and DESTRUCTION of the Spirit of man, means…

Yet it appears you ignored it… You would do well to learn what I showed you! Yes, the SPIRIT DOES NOT DIE… it can only be DESTROYED. But that was NO DIFFERENT for Jesus to that of any other person of mankind: The Spirit of a man is NOT DEAD when the body decays… What we call ‘Death’ (of the body) the scriptures calls it ‘Sleep’.

 

[Brian2]

The son was made of a woman, made under the law. Galatians 4:4 The son didn't exist until birth, except in the mind and plans of God.

A whole human has a body, is made of earth, is a spirit in an earthen vessel. In that way the human Son was made of a woman and stepped into the creation as a man under the law.
The Son was with the Father during the creation.
Heb 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.
It was the Son who decided to go along with becoming a man.
Phil 2:5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.

I think it says but a body hast thou prepared me. ( It doesn't appear to be in the Hebrew text I have. It seems to have come from the Septuagint.) So I don't really have a way to verify how it was worded.

Yes it appears to be a Septuagint quote. Does that mean that the New Testament is wrong in using it?
All scripture is inspired by God,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[Soapy]

What dont you like about the Oneness, Christadelphian and Modalism? Just curious.....

Thanks for the question.

Oneness (Pentecostal or Apostolic) claim that Jesus is all three persons appearing at different times and for different purposes. I attend a oneness apostolic church occasionally because of my partner (she has friends there and she likes the comradely but doesn’t believe the doctrine either!). I question at least one person who is an advocate and read their literature and cannot believe the ideology…. They sing songs which start off in appearance to be glorifying ALMIGHTY GOD but somewhere along the lines they change to say it is Jesus who they are glorifying… and worshipping!

Christadelphians: There was a small Christadelphian church near where I was once working and there was a board outside with a wonderful statement about Jesus. I thought I’d found my earth church … but as I gleefully researched what they believe I was blown away by the nonsense… they claim a ‘Jesus Only’ ideology. That Jesus IS the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit… no thanks!

And Modalism: Jesus is not God BUT some other weird concoction. I’m writing off the cuff so admit that I can’t quite remember the exact belief but what I know from the past is that it didn’t resonate with my belief. I have been accused of being a modalist simply because I said jesus wasn’t God but I firmly reject the rest of anything that the label of Modalism represents in total.

My belief is that Jesus is a man of humanity born in the same manner as the first man Adam - that is, born not if the seed of another human being big by the overshadowing of the Holy Spirit of God.

Adam’s body was dust of the earth… inert, spiritless… effectively the Soul of Adam was ‘dead’. And then GOD blew the breath of life into the ‘dead body’ and the man became a ‘LIVING’ Soul. Now, because the inSpiriting is by the Holy Spirit of God, the person is HOLY, SINLESS, and FULLY RIGHTEOUS… a perfect Son of God - image of God!!!

Jesus, likewise.., His body was the inert, lifeless egg of a woman. It is, in effect, just inert dust if such a term can be used. It is expelled from a woman on a monthly basis in an unceremonial manner. The Angel Gabriel told the Virgin Mary that the Holy Spirit would overshadow her and that she would have a baby from such an overshadowing. The egg would be inspirited (just as the living active sperm of a man would have done in other situation: procreation) but unlike with the sinful human (sperm) the spirit from the Holy Spirit is HOLY and sinless (Creation). Hence the child to be born will be also HOLY, SINLESS, RIGHTEOUS: A son of God.

The sinning of Adam was the cause of the coming of the LAST ADAM. ‘Last’ because no other other in humanity would ever be created.

Jesus lived a righteous sinless and holy life with his parents and among his people - he did nothing of report until he was called by God. This is where the Bible says:

• “In times past God spoke through the prophets… but now he speaks through his Son’

It was at the baptism of Jesus, afterwards, that Jesus was ‘SENT INTO THE WORLD’ (which means that his mission started! unlike the trinity version that Rudd was ‘Sent from Heaven’)

The baptism was where Jesus was empowered for the work God called (sent) him to do. Acts 10:37-38 states this plainly.

Jesus, although empowered by (or With) the Holy Spirit of God, always prayed the Father before carrying out any act of ‘Miracle’. But Jesus also showed the disciples that they too could do what he did IF THEY HAD FAITH (that is, had enough belief and empowered by the Holy Spirit of God). And indeed, after receiving the Holy Spirit the disciples did indeed ‘cast out demons’ and healed the sick. But they were fully filled with the Holy Spirit and so found something difficult or not able to do. Jesus, at one point was dismayed at them (the seventy who couldn’t cast out a stubborn demon).

Jesus’ death was necessary to wipe away the sin of Adam - a sin that condemned ALL MANKIND to ETERNAL DEATH (Death of the spirit) no matter how pious they were in their life towards God. This is the SALVATION that Jesus brought and gave his blood for. But in addition to that, this death and the raising up from it gave way to the eternal salvation from man’s OWN SIN. This is different from the sin of Adam. Now mankind is responsible for his own sin.

 

[Soapy]

A whole human has a body, is made of earth, is a spirit in an earthen vessel. In that way the human Son was made of a woman and stepped into the creation as a man under the law.
The Son was with the Father during the creation.
Heb 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.
It was the Son who decided to go along with becoming a man.
Phil 2:5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.



Yes it appears to be a Septuagint quote. Does that mean that the New Testament is wrong in using it?
All scripture is inspired by God,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Ha ha ha… ‘All scriptures is inspired by God’… except the parts added or changed by corrupt mankind inspired by Satan.

It is evident that the claim that Jesus is the creator is a satanic miscreation because if Jesus had been the creator he wouldn’t need God to appoint him as Heir to it.

Indeed, what the definition of ‘Father’? Is it not ‘Creator’, ‘Bringer into Life’.

Yet what is the definition of ‘Son’? Is it not ‘He who dies what the Father directs him to do’:

• “I only said that God is my Father. If I am not doing the works of my Father then do not believe me!’

Jesus DEFINED what ‘Son of God’ means.

And scriptures upholds it:

• ‘All who are led by the spirit [of God] are children of God’

Additionally, Jesus says that ‘The Son can do nothing that he doesn’t first see the Father doing!’… So how did the Son CREATE ALL THINGS without first seeing the Father CREATE ALL THINGS?

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Listen carefully!!!

I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID!!!!!

The Spirit of YHWH is the Holy Spirit… of course the Holy Spirit didn’t die! No one - nobody EVER made such a ludicrous and insane claim!

You said that GOD came down to earth in flesh. THEREFORE it would be GOD who DIED on the cross ACCORDING TO YOUR BELIEF !

You can delude yourself that it isn’t what you think you said but that’s just the problem IT IS…

God does not ever come into his creation. He sends his servants, the holy angels who are endowed with his almighty power. In the case of Jesus, Jesus was empowered also with the Holy Spirit:

• “Behold my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen, in whom my soul delights; I have put my Spirit upon him; he will bring forth justice to the nations.” (Isaiah 42:1)
• “You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached—how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.“ (Acts 10:37-38)
• “But he said, “I must proclaim the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns also, because that is why I was sent.” (Luke 4:43)

John 17 has Jesus praying to ‘THE ONLY TRUE GOD’: YHWH.

Yet you say it is this same ‘Only True God’, YHWH himself, whom is praying to YHWH, the only true God.

You are saying that YHWH was the one who died on the cross.

And I DEFINED TO YOU all about what ‘Death’, ‘Dying’, ‘Sleeping in the bosom of God’, inert spirit resting with God, and DESTRUCTION of the Spirit of man, means…

Yet it appears you ignored it… You would do well to learn what I showed you! Yes, the SPIRIT DOES NOT DIE… it can only be DESTROYED. But that was NO DIFFERENT for Jesus to that of any other person of mankind: The Spirit of a man is NOT DEAD when the body decays… What we call ‘Death’ (of the body) the scriptures calls it ‘Sleep’.

A wall of text, yet no answer to the simple question I asked.

The Spirit of God took on a body of flesh, and then allowed that flesh to be crucified for our sins.

The flesh was praying or crying out to the Spirit for strength to endure and overcome. Flesh is weak, while the Spirit is strong.

And once again - NO, God didn't die (God is an eternal Spirit that can't die), it would be the body (referred to as the Son) that God took on that died. But it was still YHWH dwelling in that body, so it was his blood.

Trinitarians think the Father and the Son are 2 different persons. While I am saying the Father is the eternal Spirit and the Son is the Flesh. The Messiah was the image (or the body) of the invisible God. That is why he said if you have SEEN me, you have SEEN the Father.

While you make the claim that the Messiah was not God here with us - contrary to many scriptures that prove he was.
Such as the one I asked you about and you ignored. Acts 20:28 ....feed the church of God, which he (God) hath purchased with his own blood.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

A whole human has a body, is made of earth, is a spirit in an earthen vessel. In that way the human Son was made of a woman and stepped into the creation as a man under the law.
The Son was with the Father during the creation.
Heb 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.
It was the Son who decided to go along with becoming a man.
Phil 2:5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.



Yes it appears to be a Septuagint quote. Does that mean that the New Testament is wrong in using it?
All scripture is inspired by God,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Isaiah 44:24 refutes what you say about the Son being with the Father during the creation. YHWH said he was alone and by himself.

All the scriptures must be in harmony. When you have a doctrine that contradicts with certain scriptures, then there must be something wrong with that doctrine.

God was the Father in creation, the Son in redemption, and the Holy Spirit in the church. Not 3 different persons, but 3 different manifestations of the same God.

 

[Soapy]

A wall of text, yet no answer to the simple question I asked.

The Spirit of God took on a body of flesh, and then allowed that flesh to be crucified for our sins.

The flesh was praying or crying out to the Spirit for strength to endure and overcome. Flesh is weak, while the Spirit is strong.

And once again - NO, God didn't die (God is an eternal Spirit that can't die), it would be the body (referred to as the Son) that God took on that died. But it was still YHWH dwelling in that body, so it was his blood.

Trinitarians think the Father and the Son are 2 different persons. While I am saying the Father is the eternal Spirit and the Son is the Flesh. The Messiah was the image (or the body) of the invisible God. That is why he said if you have SEEN me, you have SEEN the Father.

While you make the claim that the Messiah was not God here with us - contrary to many scriptures that prove he was.
Such as the one I asked you about and you ignored. Acts 20:28 ....feed the church of God, which he (God) hath purchased with his own blood.

Oh, that question!

It is Jesus, the son, who feeds the church of God.

It is Jesus who died and shed his blood for the salvation of mankind.

God is Spirit - and Spirit does not have flesh and Bone - as Jesus has. Indeed, God does not have blood to shed.

It is Jesus who is the ‘Lamb’ who was slaughtered.

One day you will reread that verse and be shocked that you could have read it so wrongly…

Is your belief something called, ‘Oneness’? Only asking because I heard the same nonsense from some one else and I think they attended a church called ‘Oneness Pentecostal’!

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Oh, that question!

It is Jesus, the son, who feeds the church of God.

It is Jesus who died and shed his blood for the salvation of mankind.

God is Spirit - and Spirit does not have flesh and Bone - as Jesus has. Indeed, God does not have blood to shed.

It is Jesus who is the ‘Lamb’ who was slaughtered.

One day you will reread that verse and be shocked that you could have read it so wrongly…

Is your belief something called, ‘Oneness’? Only asking because I heard the same nonsense from some one else and I think they attended a church called ‘Oneness Pentecostal’!

Well the verse is saying God purchased the church with his own blood. So you have a problem.

And by the way it is telling others (the overseers) to feed the church of God, which he (God) hath purchased with his own blood. Read a little more carefully please. Acts 20:28


Here I will give you another one.
After considering Romans 14:10 and 2 Corinthians 5:10
Who is it that has to be sitting on the throne at the judgement in Revelation 20:11-13? (note verse 12 clearly says he is God)

 

[Soapy]

Well the verse is saying God purchased the church with his own blood. So you have a problem.

No, not at all. God doesn’t have blood. He is Spirit.

I am gobsmacked that you should even imagine, let alone write such a thing suggesting that ‘God’ gave his blood!! Even Jesus Christ didn’t have blood after his resurrection into an immortal body - and you think ALMIGHTY GOD: YAHWEH, had blood? Where? Why? (How embarrassing when you get to realise such a simpleton error!)

I’m not even going too far with trying to convince you as it’s a waste of effort. Just be sure to check it out elsewhere like in Ephesians 1:7 and elsewhere.

And by the way it is telling others (the overseers) to feed the church of God, which he (God) hath purchased with his own blood. Read a little more carefully please. Acts 20:28

The verse doesn’t state whom it is talking about - the reference to ‘God’ is that it is “GOD’s CHURCH”. The CHURCH is GOD’s, of which JESUS is the Head, and the believers are the body:

• “Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Saviour of the body.” (Ephesians 5:23)

Christ, Head of the Church (owned by GOD!) - the ‘body’ are the believers.

• “But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.” (1 Cor 11:3)

GOD is the head of Jesus Christ…

Here I will give you another one.
After considering Romans 14:10 and 2 Corinthians 5:10
Who is it that has to be sitting on the throne at the judgement in Revelation 20:11-13? (note verse 12 clearly says he is God)

I don’t see what you are showing me in the Romans and Corinthians verses. And as for ‘He who sat on the throne’… are you reading the same scriptures as the Christian Bible? JESUS, the lamb as though slaughtered, IS STANDING in front of the throne AMONG THE ELDERS… It is ALMIGHTY GOD:Yahweh; the Father, who is the one sitting on the throne:

• “And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful .… He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.“ (Rev 21:5…7)

Are ‘they that overcometh’ to be sons of ‘Him who sat on the throne’: Sons of GOD or sons of Jesus, the Lamb as though slaughtered:

• “Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders.” (Rev 5:6)

Who holds the ‘Scroll’?:

• “Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. (Rev 5:1)

The lamb:

• “He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne.” (Rev 5:7)

The Lambs (Jesus Christ) takes the scroll from Him who sat on the throne! Jesus steps up and takes the scroll from YAHWEH: God.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

No, not at all. God doesn’t have blood. He is Spirit.

I am gobsmacked that you should even imagine, let alone write such a thing suggesting that ‘God’ gave his blood!! Even Jesus Christ didn’t have blood after his resurrection into an immortal body - and you think ALMIGHTY GOD: YAHWEH, had blood? Where? Why? (How embarrassing when you get to realise such a simpleton error!)

I’m not even going too far with trying to convince you as it’s a waste of effort. Just be sure to check it out elsewhere like in Ephesians 1:7 and elsewhere.The verse doesn’t state whom it is talking about - the reference to ‘God’ is that it is “GOD’s CHURCH”. The CHURCH is GOD’s, of which JESUS is the Head, and the believers are the body:

• “Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Saviour of the body.” (Ephesians 5:23)

Christ, Head of the Church (owned by GOD!) - the ‘body’ are the believers.

• “But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.” (1 Cor 11:3)

GOD is the head of Jesus Christ… I don’t see what you are showing me in the Romans and Corinthians verses. And as for ‘He who sat on the throne’… are you reading the same scriptures as the Christian Bible? JESUS, the lamb as though slaughtered, IS STANDING in front of the throne AMONG THE ELDERS… It is ALMIGHTY GOD:Yahweh; the Father, who is the one sitting on the throne:

• “And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful .… He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.“ (Rev 21:5…7)

Are ‘they that overcometh’ to be sons of ‘Him who sat on the throne’: Sons of GOD or sons of Jesus, the Lamb as though slaughtered:

• “Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders.” (Rev 5:6)

Who holds the ‘Scroll’?:

• “Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. (Rev 5:1)

The lamb:

• “He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne.” (Rev 5:7)

The Lambs (Jesus Christ) takes the scroll from Him who sat on the throne! Jesus steps up and takes the scroll from YAHWEH: God.

God had blood once he took on a body. So like I said you have a problem with Acts 20:28 because it is saying God purchased the church with his own blood.

You mean you honestly can't see that the Romans 14:10 and 2 Corinthians 5:10 verses say we will all stand before the judgement seat of Christ/Messiah? (That means the one on the throne judging in Revelation 20:11-13 is the Messiah. Because he is the one we will stand before to be judged by.) And verse 12 clearly says he is God. Yes and the one sitting on the throne said he that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God. Because the one sitting on the throne judging is Messiah - and he is God.

And as far as the Saviour, what about Isaiah 43:11? YHWH said "I am YHWH; and beside me there is no Saviour." Or do you not believe YHWH?

Side Note: Those verses you are quoting don't actually have the word hand in them. Trinitarian translators have tried to make it look like there is more than one in these passages. He came and took the scroll from the right of the place of sitting. Read these verses carefully in the Greek.

 

[YoursTrue]

God had blood once he took on a body. So like I said you have a problem with Acts 20:28 because it is saying God purchased the church with his own blood.

You mean you honestly can't see that the Romans 14:10 and 2 Corinthians 5:10 verses say we will all stand before the judgement seat of Christ/Messiah? (That means the one on the throne judging in Revelation 20:11-13 is the Messiah. Because he is the one we will stand before to be judged by.) And verse 12 clearly says he is God. Yes and the one sitting on the throne said he that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God. Because the one sitting on the throne judging is Messiah - and he is God.

And as far as the Saviour, what about Isaiah 43:11? YHWH said "I am YHWH; and beside me there is no Saviour." Or do you not believe YHWH?

Side Note: Those verses you are quoting don't actually have the word hand in them. Trinitarian translators have tried to make it look like there is more than one in these passages. He came and took the scroll from the right of the place of sitting. Read these verses carefully in the Greek.

Pardon me, but thinking about your concept of the spirit "God" in heaven and you say Jesus is God in the flesh, so if Jesus prayed to his heavenly father, why didn't he pray to the spirit within him instead? In other words, why didn't he pray to himself, in your opinion? Let me guess: Would you say Jesus was flesh and blood but his heavenly father was not, is that why Jesus did not pray to god within himself?

 

[YoursTrue]

God had blood once he took on a body. So like I said you have a problem with Acts 20:28 because it is saying God purchased the church with his own blood.

You mean you honestly can't see that the Romans 14:10 and 2 Corinthians 5:10 verses say we will all stand before the judgement seat of Christ/Messiah? (That means the one on the throne judging in Revelation 20:11-13 is the Messiah. Because he is the one we will stand before to be judged by.) And verse 12 clearly says he is God. Yes and the one sitting on the throne said he that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God. Because the one sitting on the throne judging is Messiah - and he is God.

And as far as the Saviour, what about Isaiah 43:11? YHWH said "I am YHWH; and beside me there is no Saviour." Or do you not believe YHWH?

Side Note: Those verses you are quoting don't actually have the word hand in them. Trinitarian translators have tried to make it look like there is more than one in these passages. He came and took the scroll from the right of the place of sitting. Read these verses carefully in the Greek.

By the way, that Jesus is on the ruling seat does not mean he is God that gave him the power. Do you think it means that?