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you are racist!!

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Is this really true anymore (in the west)?
Or is it an aggressively proffered perception to serve a political agenda?
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Unless we intend to only serve the needs and matters of our small communities while ignoring the rest of the world entirely, such proffered perceptions are all any of us have to go on when it comes to matters not immediate to us. And I'm one of those who prefers to give the historical victims the benefit of the doubt until I'm given sufficient reason to think otherwise.

The community that I specifically grew up in has a fairly small black population, though there are substantial Latino and Asian populations, and to my knowledge, there's not a whole lot of racism going on here. We have a sadly substantial homeless population, and I've seen a fairly even mix among them. If I only payed attention to my community, I'd probably think racism was more or less over except for a few old crazies.


Neither of which I trust to be accurately reporting on anything.

That's just complete bull****. One of my black aunts chasing my white mom around with a butcher knife while screaming "white devil" is not a "minor annoyance". No, there's a huge problem with racism among blacks towards whites. They also outcast mixed people, like me.

Both blacks and whites have continuing issues with racism in their groups and need to grow up and move on.

I said "very few" for a reason: there are instances of race-related violence by blacks against whites, and my statement does not contradict that. Therefore, it is not complete BS simply on account of your one counter-example.

However, since it occurs to me that I may not have been entirely clear, the "minor annoyances" was not meant to be a claim that the only type of racism from blacks against whites involved verbal abuse. I live in California, not far from Oakland: AKA, the city where the Black Panthers got their start. Therefore, I also live not far from a place called Richmond: a city that houses the gated community of North Richmond, where I would most likely be shot if I ever tried to go to because I'm as white as it gets.
We can't use our own microcosms to judge the macrocosm. We need to listen to lots of voices, from a variety of experiences. Despite the best efforts of 1950s PSAs, the US is not a single cultural block: especially now that a combination of factors, including the internet and poor economy, have demolished the "traditional" family, we're as culturally varied as Europe. Racism is a major problem in some places, barely a problem at all in others (either due to racial homogeneity or mixed acceptance), and various points in the middle in most others.

My use of "minor annoyances" specifically directed the OP, which was primarily citing verbal abuse. From blacks against whites, that is a minor annoyance; from whites against blacks, it's a perpetuation of the status quo of keeping black people subservient to white people. There won't be any "moving on" from any of this so long as the very concept of race is at the forefront of our social interactions in the US. With the way things are now, we won't reach such a point by trying to pretend race doesn't exist, even if only as a cultural construct.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Unless we intend to only serve the needs and matters of our small communities while ignoring the rest of the world entirely, such proffered perceptions are all any of us have to go on when it comes to matters not immediate to us. And I'm one of those who prefers to give the historical victims the benefit of the doubt until I'm given sufficient reason to think otherwise.

The community that I specifically grew up in has a fairly small black population, though there are substantial Latino and Asian populations, and to my knowledge, there's not a whole lot of racism going on here. We have a sadly substantial homeless population, and I've seen a fairly even mix among them. If I only payed attention to my community, I'd probably think racism was more or less over except for a few old crazies.
Even taking a more international perspective, is this still all that true?
Neither of which I trust to be accurately reporting on anything.
Do you think it didn't really happen?
 

Robert.Evans

You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
Unless we intend to only serve the needs and matters of our small communities while ignoring the rest of the world entirely, such proffered perceptions are all any of us have to go on when it comes to matters not immediate to us. And I'm one of those who prefers to give the historical victims the benefit of the doubt until I'm given sufficient reason to think otherwise.

The community that I specifically grew up in has a fairly small black population, though there are substantial Latino and Asian populations, and to my knowledge, there's not a whole lot of racism going on here. We have a sadly substantial homeless population, and I've seen a fairly even mix among them. If I only payed attention to my community, I'd probably think racism was more or less over except for a few old crazies.



Neither of which I trust to be accurately reporting on anything.



I said "very few" for a reason: there are instances of race-related violence by blacks against whites, and my statement does not contradict that. Therefore, it is not complete BS simply on account of your one counter-example.

However, since it occurs to me that I may not have been entirely clear, the "minor annoyances" was not meant to be a claim that the only type of racism from blacks against whites involved verbal abuse. I live in California, not far from Oakland: AKA, the city where the Black Panthers got their start. Therefore, I also live not far from a place called Richmond: a city that houses the gated community of North Richmond, where I would most likely be shot if I ever tried to go to because I'm as white as it gets.
We can't use our own microcosms to judge the macrocosm. We need to listen to lots of voices, from a variety of experiences. Despite the best efforts of 1950s PSAs, the US is not a single cultural block: especially now that a combination of factors, including the internet and poor economy, have demolished the "traditional" family, we're as culturally varied as Europe. Racism is a major problem in some places, barely a problem at all in others (either due to racial homogeneity or mixed acceptance), and various points in the middle in most others.

My use of "minor annoyances" specifically directed the OP, which was primarily citing verbal abuse. From blacks against whites, that is a minor annoyance; from whites against blacks, it's a perpetuation of the status quo of keeping black people subservient to white people. There won't be any "moving on" from any of this so long as the very concept of race is at the forefront of our social interactions in the US. With the way things are now, we won't reach such a point by trying to pretend race doesn't exist, even if only as a cultural construct.
You're response seemed balanced to me... but I have a question. What are you saying is a way forward? To be segregated, each in their own land, or excepting one another. and if the last answer is the one you choose, how do you do that considering that some people just don't like anyone different...which is all of us one way or another.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Even taking a more international perspective, is this still all that true?

The people of the US, including myself, often make the mistake of thinking that the rest of the Western world frequently deals with the exact same socio-political issues we do. To be perfectly honest, I'm actually starting to question whether the entire notions of "white" or "black" even have any meaningful existence outside the States. (NOT deny, mind you. Question. I would need further information on racial issues in other nations, particularly European and Euro-descended ones in order to know.)

But if we are speaking internationally, I will likewise give more benefit of the doubt to the testimonies of Romani, Dalits, Burakumin, etc. in the contexts of their unique socio-political climates.

Do you think it didn't really happen?

Interpreting mainstream news, particularly on politically charged topics, isn't as simple a matter of whether something "did" or "didn't" happen. They are notorious for exaggerating, omitting, and fabricating details, for the sake of attracting as many readers as possible. That's how they keep profits up.

I'm sure what they're talking about happened. I'm also positive that it didn't happen in the exact fashion that they report.
 

MARCELLO

Transitioning from male to female
Exactly, though I live in a country where majority is pure black,I am never annoyed by them. They don't try to kill me for a few dollars. They value me so much that I am their special guest.

Let me also add this,they are very cute and sexy,not sexy for their pornographic values,they are just sexy for the way they smile.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
What privilege?

The level of advantages or disadvantages granted to you by society based on your race, sexuality, gender, economic class, etc.
For many, this makes some forms of bigotry and discrimination acceptable. For example, it's less of a deal if a group of black kids beat a white kid than if a group of white kids beat a black kid based on their perceived position on the privilege ladder.

Yeah, it's messed up, I know.
 
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