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You can't have perfect knowledge through science

idav

Being
Premium Member
But then we would have to conclude that the knowledge that knowledge is inperfect and imcomplete is imperfect and incomplete.
Is a conclusion of imperfect knowledge faulty? Would someone with imperfect knowledge ever know the difference?
 

Straw Dog

Well-Known Member
If the supernatural and the mystical get in the way, crushing them under the march of science is entirely justified.

The supernatural and the mystical are nothing more than extensions of the natural. If science is a naturalistic endeavor then it'll reveal the supernatural as the natural and the mystical as the natural. I think the point of mysticism is to re-connect with primal nature anyway. Science will illuminate our earthly and cosmic connections to our own source of being. It will elevate the "mystical" and "supernatural" into their proper alignment.
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
Is a conclusion of imperfect knowledge faulty? Would someone with imperfect knowledge ever know the difference?
Knowledge is true belief, which makes a statement that is at the same time both ontological and epistemological (it's where the two meet). So the only correct response is: "How would you know?"

We, being conscious beings, have to default to epistemology. If we don't, we fail ourselves and the entire universe.

(Ontology is inherent of epistemology, and vice versa.)
 
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jarofthoughts

Empirical Curmudgeon
Same for the mystical and the scientific being crushed under the weight of common sense.

Errr... No.
Common sense is quite regularly crushed under the weight of scientific facts.
I'm sorry, but when it comes to defining reality science wins hands down against all other contenders.
 

atanu

Member
Premium Member
Unless and until knowledge is knowledge of knowing of knowledge.
That's what's known as a "slippery slope."

I do not fully understand what you imply. I can clarify my understanding. The vidyAvidya resides in the without a second singularity. On manifestation of space-time, the vidya (true knowledge of without a second singularity) and avidya (singularity hidden from view) become bipolar. Attaining vidya is then same as attaining the singularity, wherein knowing is meaningless.
 

atanu

Member
Premium Member
Errr... No.
Common sense is quite regularly crushed under the weight of scientific facts.
I'm sorry, but when it comes to defining reality science wins hands down against all other contenders.

As per discussions in this thread it should read "when defining virtual reality as reality............"

Have you read the full thread?
 

jarofthoughts

Empirical Curmudgeon
As per discussions in this thread it should read "when defining virtual reality as reality............"

Have you read the full thread?

Nope, but if you are thinking of equivalents of the Matrix hypothesis, there is absolutely no reason to think that observable reality is not, in fact, reality.
 

jarofthoughts

Empirical Curmudgeon
It is with common sense that the uncommon sense is brought under common knowledge.

Still, mathematicians and scientists do agree that there are truths in the strong formal system that are unprovable in the system. That was the theme of the thread, IMO. The theme is not what will crush what.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2637188-post621.html

Sure, but I'm not certain of what this has to do with the exchange I had with
Willamena... :sarcastic
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
I do not fully understand what you imply. I can clarify my understanding. The vidyAvidya resides in the without a second singularity. On manifestation of space-time, the vidya (true knowledge of without a second singularity) and avidya (singularity hidden from view) become bipolar. Attaining vidya is then same as attaining the singularity, wherein knowing is meaningless.
Making me resort to a dictionary is not "clarifying".

However, I don't disagree.
 

atanu

Member
Premium Member
Sure, but I'm not certain of what this has to do with the exchange I had with
Willamena... :sarcastic

If you are not sarcastic always then we could have better exchange of course.

The idea of what is common and what is uncommon may be varying from person to person and from time to time in same person. But what Godel proves is not without using his common sense.
 

jarofthoughts

Empirical Curmudgeon
Yeah. I closed the video as soon as the author said: "...we aren't equipped with the mental tools to deal with the very large and the very..."

That's common sense. Common sense is what we're equipped with.

So, you chose to remain ignorant about how limited our so called common sense really is?
Well, I guess that's your prerogative. :shrug:
 
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