You need God / God needs you ?

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Immortals don't change. Without mortals, the universe would be useless.

Imagine there is only an immortal god and there aren't any mortals. This god would be unchangeable, static, motionless forever and ever, and pointless.

So what exactly is the point now with all this change?

 

[syo]

So what exactly is the point now with all this change?

We live.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Perhaps you would do well to read up on abiogenesis theory.

Just scanned it and it's very interesting. We know that life started in a very primitive way, whether from a god or evolution. My point is no religion has ever stated this is how life started on Earth.

 

[Quintessence]

Just scanned it and it's very interesting. We know that life started in a very primitive way, whether from a god or evolution. My point is no religion has ever stated this is how life started on Earth.

That's not true - several progressive/contemporary religious traditions accept and advocate for the stories told by the sciences - but why would this even matter? About how many times each year do cosmological questions impact how you live your life, anyway? It doesn't impact mine at all, which is why although I find many of the stories interesting, I mostly just don't give a darn. It's an idle academic or literary curiosity with no bearing on my life. Now, studying ecology? Hugely relevant to my life.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Just scanned it and it's very interesting. We know that life started in a very primitive way, whether from a god or evolution. My point is no religion has ever stated this is how life started on Earth.

Hinduism, to the best of my knowledge, posits no creation theory that conflicts with science.

I believe the only story that Hinduism speaks of with regard to creation that of the Trimurti. Brahma the creator, Vishnu the preserver, and Shiva the destroyer. But Hinduism also has aligned its views with scientific discoveries.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

That's not true - several progressive/contemporary religious traditions accept and advocate for the stories told by the sciences - but why would this even matter? About how many times each year do cosmological questions impact how you live your life, anyway? It doesn't impact mine at all, which is why although I find many of the stories interesting, I mostly just don't give a darn. It's an idle academic or literary curiosity with no bearing on my life. Now, studying ecology? Hugely relevant to my life.

Very true.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Hinduism, to the best of my knowledge, posits no creation theory that conflicts with science.

Very interesting. Can you point me to the text where they state the starting of life on Earth?

 

[SalixIncendium]

Very interesting. Can you point me to the text where they state the starting of life on Earth?

I just said that, to the best of my knowledge, Hinduism posits no creation theory. I'm not aware of any such text. The views align with science.

 

[stvdv]

"The Hindu God"?

Jesus is also God according to quite a few Hindus; so Jesus "The Hindu God" is a possibility

 

[SalixIncendium]

Jesus is also God according to quite a few Hindus; so Jesus "The Hindu God" is a possibility

Yes, I've heard the phrase "Om namo bhagavate Sri Christ" uttered more than once.

I was making the point that there is no one "Hindu God." There are many Hindus that see divinity not only in Hindu deities/avatars (not to mention people), but in other religion's deities as well.

 

[stvdv]

I was making the point that there is no one "Hindu God."

I know. That's why I added a less expected "Hindu God" for the Christians

 

[Brian2]

Why would any god, Hindu or otherwise, be diminished for lack of need of us?

Not for lack of need of us but for lack of us. If you and I weren't here, if we just disappeared, the Hindu God would suffer loss and be smaller. If the universe just disappeared the Hindu God would be smaller. The Hindu God needs everything because everything is the Hindu God.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Not for lack of need of us but for lack of us. If you and I weren't here, if we just disappeared, the Hindu God would suffer loss and be smaller. If the universe just disappeared the Hindu God would be smaller. The Hindu God needs everything because everything is the Hindu God.

When you dream, you create characters in your dream. Are you somehow diminished when the dream ends and the characters are no longer present?

 

[Brian2]

I'm pretty sure there are versions of the Hindu God which are free from all needs, and not at all in need of human beings or "made larger" by "the more stuff there is". For example, there are writings about Shiva which say that Shiva is Like Nothing, free from all such things, bodiless, pure, formless. That Shiva is my Hindu God.

Facts of Life: GOD AS DESCRIBED IN THE VEDAS

Advaita: Rig Veda says God is ‘ONE’ and God is Atman, then why believe and worship any other God in place of real God.+*****

Sounds a bit like the God of the Bible but the God of the Bible is the creator of everything. We don't emanate from God, God created us.

 

[Brian2]

When you dream, you create characters in your dream. Are you somehow diminished when the dream ends and the characters are no longer present?

Do you really think that we are like the thoughts of God and have no existence in our own right?

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Sounds a bit like the God of the Bible but the God of the Bible is the creator of everything. We don't emanate from God, God created us.

I think that among the Hindu philosophies and variants of beliefs, there exists also the God of the Bible or the God of the Qur'an etc.

Then between even variants of Christian and Muslim and Jewish ideas and beliefs there are differences of what people think or how they interpret things, etc.

Hinduism has tons and tons of philosophies and beliefs, and is very far from monolithic because they have been around and made so many writings and had so many schools of thought that cover basically every human concept and idea anyone has ever come up with.

Even very few among the people who read the Qur'an have exactly the same idea about what God is, and the same goes for people who read the Bible that I've encountered.

One of my posts, currently at the bottom or near the bottom of the page discusses one version of the Islamic God that also the Hindus and others have written about, even Jewish groups (with the term Ayin), Saivite groups (worshippers of Shiva), and a bunch of different philosophers as well probably, even Occultists.

quranism

 

[SalixIncendium]

Do you really think that we are like the thoughts of God and have no existence in our own right?

Not quite. I think we are manifestations of Brahman and exist in this perceived reality as appearances in maya. We have "existence in our own right" as much as a wave has existence in its own right in the ocean.

 

[chinu]

Immortals don't change. Without mortals, the universe would be useless.

Imagine there is only an immortal god and there aren't any mortals. This god would be unchangeable, static, motionless forever and ever, and pointless.

Have you ever heard of — that God is omnipresent ? Perhaps yes.

But, NEVER heard of — what makes God an omnipresent being ? It’s Motion / Love that makes God omnipresent in this universe.

This universe will STOP without God/Love/Motion.

God itself is Motion/Love.
God is Love/Motion. Love / Motion is God.

God dwells in the form of Love/Motion inside its own creation — every tiny particle.

Motion / God / Love doesn’t require HELP of any other Motion/Love.

Ah.. it’s a hard catch it is !

 

[syo]

God dwells in the form of Love/Motion inside its own creation

God doesn't dwell in creations.
God and creations are one. Their ''roles'' are different. God is the immortal part, and creations are the mortal part. This causes motion.

 

[chinu]

God doesn't dwell in creations.
God and creations are one. Their ''roles'' are different. God is the immortal part, and creations are the mortal part. This causes motion.

Transformation of mortal to immortal is the real death of mortal. Until then, there’s only rebirth one after the another.