sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Nope. I don't need to reject either Jesus or salvation just because I don't buy into original sin. Why would you state that I would need to do that?
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You Were Inside Heaven, Because Of Your Parents.. You Kicked Out
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sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
In order to reconcile humanity to God.
Camatose
Member
God with humanity, he would be an awful ,aggressive, money lover.... God.
Camatose
Member
Because that's why Jesus came into the world, if there's no original sin, there's no savior, what's the aim of Jesus then ?
FranklinMichaelV.3
Well-Known Member
To teach us a path that allows us to love god and love our neighbors? To teach us how to better get into communion with God and our fellow humans?
Idk it's like all people care about is that Jesus died and rose again. I barely hear churches preach on what Jesus taught anymore. It's all about the man who died...but very little about the man who lived.
Camatose
Member
There's no doubt that Jesus came to the world as a gift from God I said it's the main purpose not the only one. You cannot say Adam and Eve were not existed according to the biblical story, please if you're going to reject anything from the bible and any holy book don't make yourself tired and post a replay because I don't believe what are you saying and this is not what I am interested in even, the bible said that and that's enough for me, you believed that or you don't this is not what I am really looking for. This method doesn't work anymore, you remind me of Muslims when I debate them, the reject things nobody could ever reject them or negotiate them. The same thing for you, you struggle to prove that as a wrong fact, nobody as a Christian thinks Jesus came into the world as a teacher ! salvation was the most important thing why Jesus came in, But if there's no original sins, there's no sinner, there's no savior, why do we need a savior since we're clean in flesh and soul " without sins", That's ridiculous , isn't it ?. Off topic : I never asked any question about the original sin nor if we're sinners or not. Would it matter ! for me no I don't know how about you. Leave what the did alone, that's not what I am questioning here just to be clear with you, I'm talking about God's justice just read my topic one tow three times until you understand the point, I'm kinda very deep in thinking so you need to think about each word I had written.
That's the story as stated in your bible not mine
FranklinMichaelV.3
Well-Known Member
I don't think the bible is infallible or inerrant. I'm saying that perhaps our idea that the point of Jesus was just his death is flawed and comes from years of doctrine, that has pushed this forward.
Jesus needn't represent a need, merely something that is.
Kalidas
Well-Known Member
Well I would have to argue that point. See I am not a Christian I am a Hindu, being as such I do not buy into the whole Adam and Eve first sin story. You may have found a flaw(that's still up for for debate currently) in one story in one religion. But this religion is not the only one, heck it isn't even the first. Hinduism happens to be the oldest LIVING religion(there's probably older dead religions). So you have yet to disprove my idea of God, so no you have not yet won
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Why? Ghandi wasn't awful, aggressive, or a money-lover. Why would Jesus have to be?
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
To reconcile us to God; to show us God's kindom and to help us be God's kindom.
McBell
Unbound
I changed my mind.
After reading the rest of the thread it is obvious you are not interested in honest discussion.
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Not every theist believes in an omnipresent deity. Therefore...
Is a gross generalization. Like many things in the modern world, stories like Adam and Eve (or any myth from any religion) HAS to be seen as allegory or metaphor. If it is taken as literal, then people are only deluding themselves. Just becasue a story is taken mataphorically and not literally, does not take away the beauty or meaning from the story or the fact that God is very much real to the believer. Also, I think using the Adam and Eve story as a way to say ''look at those theists, they believe that God planned this! They can't believe in free will'' to be very tired. After all, Sam Harris is about as atheist as they come and he denies free will. As far as I can recall.
Is a gross generalization. Like many things in the modern world, stories like Adam and Eve (or any myth from any religion) HAS to be seen as allegory or metaphor. If it is taken as literal, then people are only deluding themselves. Just becasue a story is taken mataphorically and not literally, does not take away the beauty or meaning from the story or the fact that God is very much real to the believer. Also, I think using the Adam and Eve story as a way to say ''look at those theists, they believe that God planned this! They can't believe in free will'' to be very tired. After all, Sam Harris is about as atheist as they come and he denies free will. As far as I can recall.
Camatose
Member
Who knows ? Ghandi doesn't believe in the Abrahamic God. That's why he wasn't bad. But as human beings we love our life and we hate death that's the normal thing of course they're people who kill themselves, what I am saying here.. The regular humanity. Most of people love money not all of them. God with humanity it means God is a human being somehow it could be physically human or mentally human and this is impossible as you know. If we said God is a human in his appearance we must be wrong at that point, which means weakness and sickness, and of course he would not be able to bring this world. If we said God is a human mentally, also we're wrong.. God knows everything and can predict but we don't. Then, it's very hard to reconcile God with humanity in one hand and in the other hand God must be different, he must be powerful, higher than us... and so on.
Camatose
Member
What makes you to think so ?
Camatose
Member
I apologize, I've been very busy this week. Now I am here again. I never meant to open this topic to say Hey! look at them ! they believe that !! of course not. You might notice I repeatedly mentioned logic what I wanted by that, is there something wrong with me if I compared mind's logic and religion ? of course not for theist or non-theist. The case is religion based on irrationality it's how I see it. People should notice any religious person who says out loud God is love, praise the lord, if God is love in my view all the mankind or his creatures in specific would be merciful, whenever I hear that I disgust the idea of God. I am an observer of nature so I see there's no justice between species of animals as we say the rich eats the poor. For example, a beautiful deer walking in green fields, suddenly the lion or the tiger observed her what would that tiger do ? of course he might eat her without mercy that's how it goes. You don't have any explanation for why we're here so you invented something called God, it's only an agency to explain nothing.There is emptiness of facts in religions. And we invented things which not existed from our minds. That's story shows many things to me, we've been told that story since our childhood but look at it by a microscope. The whole story is collapsed if you don't mind.
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Kalidas
Well-Known Member
This is of course if you except the "traditional" western God (such an idea of God is in fact NOT traditional). I feel the whole of the universe is in fact God and I an even you are but parts of God. So yes even the "evil" and "good" are God two halves of a single existence. I do not live by books, myths(though they are nice to read), prophets, no I live by dharma my worship does not end when I leave church it is in how I live.
Camatose
Member
This is another issue