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You Were Inside Heaven, Because Of Your Parents.. You Kicked Out

Camatose

Camatose

Member
sojourner said:
an untenable opinion, at best.

I don't know anything of the sort!

But not impossible for God to reconcile humanity with God.
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Okay, why not ? God with humanity, fair enough ?. Anyway he did it " he kicked Adam and Eve from haven" this does not solve anything.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Camatose said:
Is there any better expression ? maybe they lost their way and they fall down in this world. God forgot to lead them ! You don't have an actual answer for that. Just wasting time.
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God didn't "forget to lead them." God laid down the rules -- they chose to disobey.

It's sort of like saying, "If you touch the hot stove, you'll get burnt." Child touches hot stove, gets burnt, and wonders why parent punished him. It's not a punishment -- it's a consequence of action.
 
Willamena

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
sojourner said:
God didn't "forget to lead them." God laid down the rules -- they chose to disobey.

It's sort of like saying, "If you touch the hot stove, you'll get burnt." Child touches hot stove, gets burnt, and wonders why parent punished him. It's not a punishment -- it's a consequence of action.
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Well, no, a punishment is an imposed consequence. That is a punishment that you describe.
 
Camatose

Camatose

Member
sojourner said:
God didn't "forget to lead them." God laid down the rules -- they chose to disobey.

It's sort of like saying, "If you touch the hot stove, you'll get burnt." Child touches hot stove, gets burnt, and wonders why parent punished him. It's not a punishment -- it's a consequence of action.
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If the child touched hot stove then he doesn't know the consequences, therefore he has free well to touch it, that's right ! but this doesn't make his parents out of the picture they must keep the stove aware. Since he has the free will with little knowledge he will do everything which pleases him as a child same for teens and adults. The same things for God I don't want to argue about weather if we have the free will or not you can flip the table just for the free will if you're convinced you have a free will from God himself the question here if the have the free will do they have the knowledge ?, if they disobeyed God we have nothing to do ! THEY not all the mankind it's not fair if somebody murdered someone as a religious imprison the whole country.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Camatose said:
If the child touched hot stove then he doesn't know the consequences, therefore he has free well to touch it, that's right ! but this doesn't make his parents out of the picture they must keep the stove aware. Since he has the free will with little knowledge he will do everything which pleases him as a child same for teens and adults. The same things for God I don't want to argue about weather if we have the free will or not you can flip the table just for the free will if you're convinced you have a free will from God himself the question here if the have the free will do they have the knowledge ?, if they disobeyed God we have nothing to do ! THEY not all the mankind it's not fair if somebody murdered someone as a religious imprison the whole country.
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You're not making sense.
 
Camatose

Camatose

Member
sojourner said:
Mirthful though you may be, your post didn't make sense.
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You better get out here. You're talking about Gahndi ? did you just said he wasn't aggressive bla bla bla ! have you ever read Ghandi's history ? he was racist by the way. You forgot the whole story I again need to tell you it's about Adam and Eve. The stupid, religious story. Which is worst fake story. Just look at that as shole history then talk about him.
 
JakobA

JakobA

New Member
Camatose said:
No responses within 32 views ! :rolleyes:
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It is a bit of a thorny question.

There are lots of "strange logic" in the Adam and Eve story.
... they ate of the fruit and discovered they were naked, and covered themselves ...
I wonder what the Bantu think of that ? or modern naturists ? A social convention is presented as a self evident consequence of intelligence. If only life were that easy.

The story comes from a society the deeply believe that convention to be true. Unclothed == shameful and bad. For the story to be written that way that society must have existed before the garden. Or at least before the story was written.

There is little need to worry about deep philosophical content in the story, its import have been many times filtered and reinterpreted before it got fixated in written form. and the filtering have changed it.

regards JakobA
 
Kalidas

Kalidas

Well-Known Member
Camatose said:
You better get out here. You're talking about Gahndi ? did you just said he wasn't aggressive bla bla bla ! have you ever read Ghandi's history ? he was racist by the way. You forgot the whole story I again need to tell you it's about Adam and Eve. The stupid, religious story. Which is worst fake story. Just look at that as shole history then talk about him.
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Gandhi a racist?:biglaugh: All joking aside though

You can not claim someone can't just talk about another subject to prove their point. You asked a question he answered you by mentioning a historical person whom we are all familiar with. Then you claim it has no bearing with the original post. Which it does you asked a question he answered. You questioned his answer and he provided evidence. You then claim his evidence has no bearing because it is not directly tied to the original post. If we can ONLY talk in terms of the original post this conversation is going to get no where fast. People CAN use other subjects to strengthen their argument. If outside knowledge brings to light more truth about your initial belief why not except it?

I am not saying I agree with the Adam and Eve story (I most certainly do not). But you way of debating is not really debating. It's mere insults in which you don't even allow people to argue their fair point.
 
Camatose

Camatose

Member
lemaster13 said:
Gandhi a racist?:biglaugh: All joking aside though

You can not claim someone can't just talk about another subject to prove their point. You asked a question he answered you by mentioning a historical person whom we are all familiar with. Then you claim it has no bearing with the original post. Which it does you asked a question he answered. You questioned his answer and he provided evidence. You then claim his evidence has no bearing because it is not directly tied to the original post. If we can ONLY talk in terms of the original post this conversation is going to get no where fast. People CAN use other subjects to strengthen their argument. If outside knowledge brings to light more truth about your initial belief why not except it?

I am not saying I agree with the Adam and Eve story (I most certainly do not). But you way of debating is not really debating. It's mere insults in which you don't even allow people to argue their fair point.
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It's not a battle but he should shut his despicable way. But, lets move on I don't want to negotiate that history about Gandhi, that's what he's doing in every topic, he brought up another story just to create confusion. What the ugliness !. If you want to say Gandhi wasn't aggressive but he did so many mistakes in his life! remember one of his mistake: when he was having sex with his wife he forgot his diseased father ! therefore, he didn't give him his medicine until the father died. YES, God with humanity compared to Gandhi. If you have anything stupid any idea hits your mind from acid just keep it in religion it will be correct for idiots. So they say God is perfect, how could God be perfect and he reconciles humanity with him and the funny thing is that they say humans imperfect only God is perfect ! God in his blind vision has humanity just like you and me !. The poor guy, proved something against his religion. I will not negotiate God's humanity here until I find the answer of my question
 
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