You'd Think That Those Who Ran Public Schools Would Be Brighter Than This

[leov]

Well it's that by default. Only problem is that it's a Christian fairy tale promoting god's overreaching power. (As I recall it.)


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i think , let kids be kids....

 

[Willamena]

You'd Think That Those Who Ran Public Schools Would Be Brighter Than This
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You grossly underplay the systemic undermining of the education system.

 

[Stevicus]

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Iowa Public School is Taking Kids to a Christian Play at a Christian College
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"A group of first graders from the Cherokee Community School District in Iowa are taking a field trip later this week to see the play “Jonah and the Giant Fish” (about the biblical myth) at Northwestern College (a private Christian college) during the school day.

Somehow, none of those glaring red flags inspired the adults at Roosevelt Elementary School to say this was a bad idea.

Now the American Humanist Association is getting involved, letting district officials know that this is unconstitutional for a number of reasons:

… not only will RES students be taken to an avowedly Christian institution, but they will do so for the express purpose of seeing a Christian-themed play. The risk that these children will perceive a school endorsement of a religious message should be readily apparent.

We hope that you will replace this school field trip with something more appropriate, where children and parents of all religions, and no religion at all, will be properly respected. We also remind you that any actions that might be considered punitive or retaliatory toward those raising concerns about the matters described herein would be unlawful as well.​

Attorney Monica Miller wants an answer by Wednesday, which is reasonable given that it gives them two days to rearrange their plans.
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Don't the parents have to sign a permission slip allowing them to go on a field trip? I remember it was a requirement when I was in school. That would give parents the opportunity to opt out, if nothing else.

Maybe they could set up another field trip, and take the kids out to see a field.

 

[Cooky]

Don't the parents have to sign a permission slip allowing them to go on a field trip? I remember it was a requirement when I was in school. That would give parents the opportunity to opt out, if nothing else.

Maybe they could set up another field trip, and take the kids out to see a field.

Oh, you're stripping all his fun away.

 

[SomeRandom]

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You’d think those who ran public schools would be brighter than this​

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How incredibly optimistic of you.

 

[Cooky]

How incredibly optimistic of you.

You have pretty hooves.

 

[SomeRandom]

You have pretty hooves.

Well thank you. It may behoove you to know that I spent a great deal of time making them presentable.

 

[Skwim]

Don't the parents have to sign a permission slip allowing them to go on a field trip? I remember it was a requirement when I was in school. That would give parents the opportunity to opt out, if nothing else.

Regardless of who, if anyone, backs out it still amounts to government involvement in a religion.

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[Stevicus]

Regardless of who, if anyone, backs out it still amounts to government involvement in a religion.

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Yeah, although I recall back when I was in school, there were a number of kids in my class who were excused for religious education (a couple hours per week) at a nearby Catholic school. The public school was not endorsing it in any way, but they were excusing students and allowing them to leave campus for that purpose. They walked there on their own, since it was practically next door.

In this instance, if they're using public school buses and using public school personnel to supervise the kids while they're at the play, then I think your point is valid. Even if the play is not on school property, it would still imply a use of public money for religious purposes.

 

[BilliardsBall]

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Iowa Public School is Taking Kids to a Christian Play at a Christian College
​

"A group of first graders from the Cherokee Community School District in Iowa are taking a field trip later this week to see the play “Jonah and the Giant Fish” (about the biblical myth) at Northwestern College (a private Christian college) during the school day.

Somehow, none of those glaring red flags inspired the adults at Roosevelt Elementary School to say this was a bad idea.

Now the American Humanist Association is getting involved, letting district officials know that this is unconstitutional for a number of reasons:

… not only will RES students be taken to an avowedly Christian institution, but they will do so for the express purpose of seeing a Christian-themed play. The risk that these children will perceive a school endorsement of a religious message should be readily apparent.

We hope that you will replace this school field trip with something more appropriate, where children and parents of all religions, and no religion at all, will be properly respected. We also remind you that any actions that might be considered punitive or retaliatory toward those raising concerns about the matters described herein would be unlawful as well.​

Attorney Monica Miller wants an answer by Wednesday, which is reasonable given that it gives them two days to rearrange their plans.
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How can public school leaders be intelligent? Aren't you a product of them?

PS. My kids were home school geniuses!

 

[Cooky]

Yeah, although I recall back when I was in school, there were a number of kids in my class who were excused for religious education (a couple hours per week) at a nearby Catholic school. The public school was not endorsing it in any way, but they were excusing students and allowing them to leave campus for that purpose. They walked there on their own, since it was practically next door.

In this instance, if they're using public school buses and using public school personnel to supervise the kids while they're at the play, then I think your point is valid. Even if the play is not on school property, it would still imply a use of public money for religious purposes.

Well, we know the original story is biblical, about a whale swallowing Jonas, and then a few days later vomiting him out on land.

...But is the play actually meant to be a religious learning experience? Or is it meant to learn about how to do a play? The Friendly Atheist article doesn't specify their purpose in going -they just portray it as "ignorant" in their efforts at furthering their own agenda.

 

[Twilight Hue]

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Iowa Public School is Taking Kids to a Christian Play at a Christian College
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"A group of first graders from the Cherokee Community School District in Iowa are taking a field trip later this week to see the play “Jonah and the Giant Fish” (about the biblical myth) at Northwestern College (a private Christian college) during the school day.

Somehow, none of those glaring red flags inspired the adults at Roosevelt Elementary School to say this was a bad idea.

Now the American Humanist Association is getting involved, letting district officials know that this is unconstitutional for a number of reasons:

… not only will RES students be taken to an avowedly Christian institution, but they will do so for the express purpose of seeing a Christian-themed play. The risk that these children will perceive a school endorsement of a religious message should be readily apparent.

We hope that you will replace this school field trip with something more appropriate, where children and parents of all religions, and no religion at all, will be properly respected. We also remind you that any actions that might be considered punitive or retaliatory toward those raising concerns about the matters described herein would be unlawful as well.​

Attorney Monica Miller wants an answer by Wednesday, which is reasonable given that it gives them two days to rearrange their plans.
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Cherokee community school huh?

Maybe they should change the field trip to taking a tour of the Cherokee Nation and learning about their history from the Cherokee point of view.

It's certainly a lot more educational than a Christian Fairy Tale.

 

[sooda]

Geppetto was also swallowed by a whale. The kids didn't believe that either.

 

[Skwim]

Yeah, although I recall back when I was in school, there were a number of kids in my class who were excused for religious education (a couple hours per week) at a nearby Catholic school. The public school was not endorsing it in any way, but they were excusing students and allowing them to leave campus for that purpose. They walked there on their own, since it was practically next door.

In this instance, if they're using public school buses and using public school personnel to supervise the kids while they're at the play, then I think your point is valid. Even if the play is not on school property, it would still imply a use of public money for religious purposes.

I remember the very same thing. All the protestant kids went to a Methodist Church across the street from the school.

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[Skwim]

How can public school leaders be intelligent? Aren't you a product of them?

PS. My kids were home school geniuses!

Well at least someone in the house was a genius.

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[Father Heathen]

Right, they could have taken them to see 'Joker'.

Or taken them to something that was actually educational while respecting the establishment clause of the first amendment.

 

[Father Heathen]

Anyways, there's no religion more American than Christianity. We're just going to have to accept that fact.

Christianity will still bend it's knee to The Constitution, regardless.
So did you have a point?

 

[Father Heathen]

I don't see a problem.

Would you see a problem if they took the kids to a mosque to learn Koranic stories?

 

[sooda]

Or taken them to something that was actually educational while respecting the establishment clause of the first amendment.

How about Art for its own sake? A
Do you also want to stop teaching about the Pilgrims?

 

[Father Heathen]

Don't the parents have to sign a permission slip allowing them to go on a field trip? I remember it was a requirement when I was in school. That would give parents the opportunity to opt out, if nothing else.

Maybe they could set up another field trip, and take the kids out to see a field.

Do the tax payers get to opt out?