Secret Chief
Degrow!
Ah, no-one bothers with rules! Fill you boots! Oh alright you have my permission!
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Your Complaints About Hinduism
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I'm here to help.
Another Thread
I've seen a few posts today that make a statement, but then say it's a topic for another thread. But I keep looking for another thread and never see one. So in my usual quest to be helpful here, this is Another Thread to continue these discussions. Have at...
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Maybe if you use your imagination...
Secret Chief
Degrow!
Last time I did that you got annoyed with me.
Secret Chief
Degrow!
But you'd promised me a pot of gold.
Secret Chief
Degrow!
I did. There was just poop.
Ah well. Maybe the cat took it.
PearlSeeker
Well-Known Member
Caste system for example.
Are you also against class discrimination, the word for it in the west? That was and often still has its basis in race, but also occupation to some extent. How about gender discrimination, the 2 caste system based on gender? How about exclusive religions, that two caste system based on them (low caste) and us (high caste). When you are discriminated against for not being of a certain religion, is that fair?
PearlSeeker
Well-Known Member
I'm familiar with Europe. Leading political positions here are often held by women.
Exclusive religions are nothing like caste system - apples and oranges.
In rural India, stated Klaus Klostermaier in 2010, "they [Dalits] still live in secluded quarters, do the dirtiest work, and are not allowed to use the village well and other common facilities".
While discrimination against Dalits has declined in urban areas and in the public sphere, it still exists in rural areas and in the private sphere, in everyday matters such as access to eating places, schools, temples and water sources.
A sample survey in 2014, conducted by Dalit Adhikar Abhiyan and funded by ActionAid, found that among state schools in Madhya Pradesh, 88 per cent discriminated against Dalit children. In 79 per cent of the schools studied, Dalit children are forbidden from touching mid-day meals. They are required to sit separately at lunch in 35 per cent of schools, and are required to eat with specially marked plates in 28 per cent.
A sample survey of Dalits, conducted over several months in Madhya Pradesh and funded by ActionAid in 2014, found that health field workers did not visit 65 per cent of Dalit settlements. 47 per cent of Dalits were not allowed entry into ration shops; and 64 per cent were given less grains than non-Dalits.
Amnesty International documented a high number of sexual assaults against Dalit women, which were often committed by landlords, upper-caste villagers, and policemen, according to a study published in 2001. According to the research, only about 5% of assaults are recorded, and policemen dismiss at least 30% of rape reports as false. The study also discovered that cops often seek bribes, threaten witnesses, and conceal evidence. Victims of rape have also been killed. There have been reports of Dalits being forced to eat human faeces and drink urine by upper caste members and the police.
A Dalit activist was killed in 2020 for social media posts criticising Brahmins. A dalit was killed in 2019 for eating in front of upper-caste men.
etc.
Source: Wiki
vulcanlogician
Well-Known Member
YES!
Too many gods.
The gods have too many arms.
The gods wear disembodied heads around their necks. (Gross!)
Holy books are too profound and amazing.
Practices involved (especially forms of yoga) are similarly amazing.
And also, on a more serious note... it can get a little culty in certain spots, and that's kinda troubling. Not that a lot of other religions can't get culty. They can. But I don't like it there. And I don't like it in Hinduism.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
I don't have any problems with Hinduism. I do have a deep aversion to nationalism, and have been told that Hindu nationalism* is causing problems in India, but I don't know how true that is tbh.
*Salman Rushdie was particularly outspoken about this issue, in a talk he gave in London a few years ago.
*Salman Rushdie was particularly outspoken about this issue, in a talk he gave in London a few years ago.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Pharma? Can you explain that? How do you spell it in Pali? Do you have a reference to the Tipitaka?
firedragon
Veteran Member
Hmm. That's right. Very few people speak on this matter. Not even Buddhists commonly know this.Well good news because reincarnation is not a Buddhist teaching!
"Hope you are sitting down for this, because reincarnation (or 'transmigration') does not exist at all in Buddhism."
Reincarnation, Rebirth, and Buddhism: Here We Go Again - Alan Peto
What is reincarnation in Buddhism? Actualy, it doesn't exist! Buddhists believe in rebirth, which is different. Learn more in this article!alanpeto.com
I am impressed.
Secret Chief
Degrow!
I can only explain it by saying I'm nuts. I clearly can't even spell words in English. Anyhoo, I should have said phala, which you may have heard of; the fruit of our actions. Feel free to put me on ignore.
- Phala
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firedragon
Veteran Member
It's "Pala" my brother. Not "Phala". I really don't understand why people say "Phala". It's really not in the Pali. I think that Ph thing is influenced by some other language. Or maybe they are trying to emphasize the pronunciation which with a Ph gives a very wrong impression.I can only explain it by saying I'm nuts. I clearly can't even spell words in English. Anyhoo, I should have said phala, which you may have heard of; the fruit of our actions. Feel free to put me on ignore.
- Phala
Anyway, in this case brother, I don't understand why you said Karma is Pala and Pala is Karma. Pala is Vipaka, not Karma. Karma is what took place or what you did, Pala or Vipaka is the outcome or the fruit of it. Could you clarify?
By the way, earlier it was obviously some kind of auto correction that turned your Phala into Pharma. So that's perfectly fine. There is no need to put such a gentleman like you on ignore my friend. It was not even your mistake. Autocorrect can be daylight murder sometimes.
Cheers.
I have no complaints just an observation based in faith.
I see any religion made of our own self, that has no foundation in God given Guidance, is ultimately erroneous.
Regards Tony
Secret Chief
Degrow!
Oh ok, I've only ever seen it as phala - eg the link I posted. I don't have autocorrect, it was just my silly mistake!
As to your question - it is just expressing the idea that all actions are results and all results are actions, in an endless and universal chain. It expresses the interpenetration of all dharmas (things).
Actually now I look at phala and vipaka the words seem to be describing the same thing do they not?
- Vipāka
- Phala