Your definition for "atheist/theist" and its subcategories

[Pudding]

Atheist:
Agnostic atheist:
Gnostic atheist:
Implicit atheist:
Explicit atheist:

Weak atheist:
Agnostic weak atheist:

Strong atheist:
Agnostic strong atheist:
Gnostic strong atheist:

Theist:
Agnostic theist:
Gnostic theist:


My defintion is in post #2.

 

[Pudding]

Atheist: a person who absence the belief that at least one God/god exist.
Agnostic atheist: (including definition of atheist), a person who don't know if God/gods exist or not, and/or think that the existence of God/gods is unknowable.
Gnostic atheist: (including definition of atheist), a person who know no God/god exist.
Implicit atheist: a person who unconsciously absence the belief that at least one God/god exist.
Explicit atheist: a person who consciously absence the belief that at least one God/god exist.

Strong atheist: a person who absence the belief that at least one God/god exist, a person who believe no God/god exist.
Agnostic strong atheist: (including definition of strong atheist), a person who don't know if God/gods exist or not.
Gnostic strong atheist: (including definition of atheist), a person who know no God/god exist. Same definition with gnostic atheist.

Weak atheist: a person who absence the belief that at least one God/god exist, a person who absence the belief that no God/god exist.
Agnostic weak atheist: (including definition of weak atheist), a person who don't know if God/gods exist or not.

Theist: a person who believe at least one God/god exist.
Agnostic theist: (including definition of theist), a person who don't know if God/god exist or not.
Gnostic theist: a person who know at least one God/god exist.

 

[Curious George]

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Atheist: a person who believes no god exists
Agnostic atheist: same as above but agree with the agnostic that the truth of such a claim is unknown or unknowable.
Gnostic atheist: a person who believes that no god exists and claims this belief is a justified, true belief
Implicit atheist: non existent mumbo jumbo
Explicit atheist: more non existent mumbo jumbo designed to allow for Implicit atheism.

Weak atheist: a person in denial about being an atheist and is trying to evade some imaginary "burden of proof"
Agnostic weak atheist: a person who in an effort to avoid a burden of proof has found a label maker and lacks skills in categorization.

Strong atheist: atheist.
Agnostic strong atheist: same as agnostic atheist.
Gnostic strong atheist: same as gnostic atheist

Theist:a person who believes a god exists
Agnostic theist: a person who believes a god exists and agrees with the agnostic that the truth of this belief is unknown or unknowable.
Gnostic theist: a person who believes a god exists and claims this belief is a justified true belief.
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[Pudding]

@Curious George

Do you think it's possible for a person to be absence the belief that at least one God/god exist?
If it's possible, do you have label for such people?

 

[Jeremiahcp]

-ist and -sim are crude, ineffective words that too often lead to misconceptions about one another.

 

[Pudding]

-ist and -sim are crude, ineffective words that too often lead to misconceptions about one another.

Do you think there are any misconceptions which often lead from atheism, agnosticism, gnosticism to atheist, agnostic and gnostic?
If you do, please elaborate the misconceptions.

 

[LuisDantas]

Atheist: Anyone who does not use or know any conception of deity, or that does not profess to believe in the actual existence of any entities that would qualify as such.

Does not need any justification, reason, or even consistence through time; it is possible and entirely valid to alternate between atheism and theism on a whim or even by throwing a coin.


Agnostic atheist: An atheist who does not know for certain whether there is anything that might qualify as a deity.


Gnostic atheist: An atheist who somehow, presumably intuitively or mystically, knows for a fact that there are no deities.

A stance that appears a lot more difficult than it truly is, because "deity" is such a deeply personal concept that one may easily understand it in entirely impossible ways.

Implicit atheist: The most natural and frequent form of atheist, succintly described as "one who lacks belief in the existence of any deities". Includes not having thought or met the idea of deity as well.


Explicit atheist: Somewhat rare and perhaps even self-contradictory, it is best described as the active rejection of some form of belief in deities.

It is rare because people usually don't bother to hold deity-conceptions that they do not feel attracted towards.


Weak atheist: An atheist who does not take the idea of theism seriously enough to bother to decree it wrong.


Agnostic weak atheist: An atheist who does not know for a fact that there are no deities.


Strong atheist: Someone who says for a fact that there are no deities.


Agnostic strong atheist: Perhaps a contradictory stance, although I professed it in the past. Someone who says that there is no certainty about the existence of deities, yet claims that there are none nevertheless.


Gnostic strong atheist: Probably an technically irrational if very reasonable and certainly pragmatical stance, it is that of those who say that they know for sure that there are no deities.


Theist: Anyone who arbitrarily decrees the existence of some conception of deity, and then professes to believe in the actual existence of one or more entities that would qualify as such.

Does not need any justification, reason, or even consistence through time; it is possible and entirely valid to alternate between atheism and theism on a whim or even by throwing a coin.

Does not require any supernaturalism beliefs, either.


Agnostic theist: Someone who believes in the existence of at least one deity, yet realizes that it is ultimately an arbitrary belief.


Gnostic theist: Someone who believes in the existence of at least one deity and feels to know that for a fact.






If I may, apatheism and ignosticism are worthy additions to this glossary. Among the most useful terms of this whole family, as a matter of fact, despite being so little known.

 

[Curious George]

@Curious George

Do you think it's possible for a person to be absence the belief that at least one God/god exist?
If it's possible, do you have label for such people?

Sure. A person who thinks a god does not exist is absent of a belief that God does exist. That would be called an atheist. Or a person that is unfamiliar with any god or incapable of forming a belief would also have an absence. The label for that is ignorant.

 

[Pudding]

Sure.

Thanks for answer, so you do think it's possible for a person to be absence the belief that at least one God/god exist.

A person who thinks a god does not exist is absent of a belief that God does exist. That would be called an atheist.

A god? Which god?
As long as a person thinks or believe one god does not exist, he then is an atheist?

Or a person that is unfamiliar with any god or incapable of forming a belief would also have an absence. The label for that is ignorant.

John is absence the belief that at least one God/god exist, he is familar with a lot of religions' Gods/gods but cannot believe those
Gods/gods exist, because he haven't meet any convincing evidence/argument for the existence of those Gods/gods.

Do you label John ignorant?

Please explain your definition for ignorant.

 

[Curious George]

Thanks for answer, so you do think it's possible for a person to be absence the belief that at least one God/god exist.


A god? Which god?
As long as a person thinks or believe one god does not exist, he then is an atheist?

Any god

John is absence the belief that at least one God/god exist, he is familar with a lot of religions' Gods/gods but cannot believe those
Gods/gods exist, because he haven't meet any convincing evidence/argument for the existence of those Gods/gods.

Do you label John ignorant?

Please explain your definition for ignorant.

Ignorant means lacking in knowledge. A person that is absent belief is either an atheist in the moment they lack belief or ignorant. Ignorant means lacking in some specific knowledge. For instance, a person could lack the specific knowledge to understand the proposition. If a person cannot define god how can he or she evaluate the proposition? If I wrote "dheugdhkwhdhsiw" is that true or false? If you cannot comprehend what I mean, then you cannot evaluate what my proposition. You are therefore ignorant in this respect, because you lack the requisite knowledge to evaluate what I am saying. Ignorant is not bad or negative we are all ignorant in many respects. As for John, well he is likely an atheist. I suppose I would have to discuss with him more. But if you ask him if the proposition "a god exists" is true, and John says no. Then he is an atheist.

 

[Pudding]

Atheist: Anyone who does not use or know any conception of deity, or that does not profess to believe in the actual existence of any entities that would qualify as such.

Does a person who know the conception of deity/deities but does not profess to believe in the actual existence of any deity, an atheist?

If I may, apatheism and ignosticism are worthy additions to this glossary. Among the most useful terms of this whole family, as a matter of fact, despite being so little known.

No problem.

 

[psychoslice]

Sure. A person who thinks a god does not exist is absent of a belief that God does exist. That would be called an atheist. Or a person that is unfamiliar with any god or incapable of forming a belief would also have an absence. The label for that is ignorant.

The ignorant one is who believes in something that cannot be proven, and will argue black and blue that they are right.

 

[Curious George]

The ignorant one is who believes in something that cannot be proven, and will argue black and blue that they are right.

I am well aware that you and I disagree.

 

[psychoslice]

I am well aware that you and I disagree.

Do you believe if you cannot prove something and say you can, is that not a lie, be honest.

 

[Curious George]

Do you believe if you cannot prove something and say you can, is that not a lie, be honest.

That depends. Would you say that intent is paramount to lying?

 

[psychoslice]

That depends. Would you say that intent is paramount to lying?

It depends on the intention, but yes it can be lying, if you don't know something, you don't know it, no matter how fluffy words mean to you, it doesn't make them right, emotions are not always truth.

 

[Curious George]

It depends on the intention, but yes it can be lying, if you don't know something, you don't know it, no matter how fluffy words mean to you, it doesn't make them right, emotions are not always truth.

No, I meant is intent the most important part of the definition of a lie. If so, then a person can be wrong without lying. If intent does not matter, does perception?

 

[psychoslice]

No, I meant is intent the most important part of the definition of a lie. If so, then a person can be wrong without lying. If intent does not matter, does perception?

It doesn't matter how you want to put it, you either know or you don't, if you do know then you should be able to prove it, if you can't then you don't know, you then only believe you know, can you see that ?.

 

[Pudding]

Any god

Ignorant means lacking in knowledge. A person that is absent belief is either an atheist in the moment they lack belief or ignorant. Ignorant means lacking in some specific knowledge. For instance, a person could lack the specific knowledge to understand the proposition. If a person cannot define god how can he or she evaluate the proposition? If I wrote "dheugdhkwhdhsiw" is that true or false? If you cannot comprehend what I mean, then you cannot evaluate what my proposition. You are therefore ignorant in this respect, because you lack the requisite knowledge to evaluate what I am saying. Ignorant is not bad or negative we are all ignorant in many respects. As for John, well he is likely an atheist. I suppose I would have to discuss with him more. But if you ask him if the proposition "a god exists" is true, and John says no. Then he is an atheist.

I admit that i cannot figure out how to rebut your post.
You're just demonizing the term atheist and force the burden of proof to atheist (weak atheist) who don't believe no god exist, make a stereotype atheist and generalize it to all atheists.
I'll leave to any other people who can find a way to deal with you.

 

[idav]

There are four categories that cover belief and knowledge.

Gnostic is knowing or believing knowledge is attainable.
Agnostic means not knowing or thinking knowledge is not attainable.
Atheist and theist cover belief in or lack of.
Gnostic theist believes in god and at the very least believes full knowledge is attainable.