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Your definition for "atheist/theist" and its subcategories

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Does a person who know the conception of deity/deities but does not profess to believe in the actual existence of any deity, an atheist?
Sure. It is a particular case, already covered in my original wording ("... does not use...").

I have come to realize that what a deity makes is the decision to decree him/her/it a deity. It is an entirely arbitrary concept, and that is why I no longer call myself an agnostic even if I technically could.

I am still not sure whether there is a deity. But that lost so much of its significance now that it would be dishonest to present myself as an agnostic, or even as an agnostic atheist. There is just no reason why I can't decree anything a deity on a fancy, then change my mind at the next minute, and go back and forth as often as I want.

The deciding factor is indeed whether I want to, whether I see any point to it.
 
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Curious George

Veteran Member
I admit that i cannot figure out how to rebut your post.
You're just demonizing the term atheist and force the burden of proof to atheist (weak atheist) who don't believe no god exist, make a stereotype atheist and generalize it to all atheists.
I'll leave to any other people who can find a way to deal with you.

I am an atheist. I am not demonizing the term. I'm sorry that is the way you took it.
 
Atheist: Someone who disbelieves in god/s
Agnostic atheist: Stupid term
Gnostic atheist (n. vulgar): Easily the worst collocation in the history of the English language.
Implicit atheist: Stupid term
Explicit atheist: Stupid term

Weak atheist: doesn't work out?
Agnostic weak atheist: Very stupid term

Strong atheist: works out?
Agnostic strong atheist: Jesus wept
Gnostic strong atheist: FFS

Theist: Pretty meaningless term
Agnostic theist: pretty meaningless term
Gnostic theist: Follower of an unspecified mystical religion that believe humans can be saved through the acquisition of esoteric knowledge?
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
It doesn't matter how you want to put it, you either know or you don't, if you do know then you should be able to prove it, if you can't then you don't know, you then only believe you know, can you see that ?.
It's not necessarily the case that if you know a thing you can prove it. Proving means being able to convince another of the truth, and there's an enormous gap between what one person understands and what another person can be taught of that understanding.
 

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
Atheist: Someone who believes that gods do not exist.
This is my preferred definition but I know that it is not a popular one around here.

Agnostic atheist: Someone who believes that gods do not exist, but does not claim to know this.
Gnostic atheist: Someone who believes that gods do not exist, and claims to know this.

Not a huge fan of either of these terms, as "agnostic" and "gnostic" don't really mean these things. I think "weak" and "strong" are better designators, if necessary.

Implicit atheist: Someone who has never heard of gods, or is unable to consider or understand the question. E.g., a baby, a mentally challenged person, someone who has never considered the question.
Explicit atheist: Someone who believes that gods don't exist and tells people about it. (Lol)

I would never use either of these terms. The implicit atheist term relies upon a definition of atheism I reject. I also do not think that such people need a label.

Weak atheist: same as "agnostic atheist", but I think this is the better term.
Agnostic weak atheist: never heard of this one.

Strong atheist: same as "gnostic atheist" but I think this is the better term.
Agnostic strong atheist: never heard of this one.
Gnostic strong atheist: never heard of this one.

Theist: someone who believes that god(s) exist(s).
Agnostic theist: someone who believes that gods exist but does not claim to know this.
Gnostic theist: someone who believes that gods exist and claims to know it.

Like before, I prefer weak and strong rather than agnostic and gnostic.

I would also add:
Agnostic: someone who has considered the question and has no opinion or belief either way.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
I have to wonder why the OP creates ten (!!!) terms for atheism and yet only lists three for theism.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member

Atheist
: I don't believe gods exist
Agnostic atheist: but I may say I don't know nor confirm that they don't
Gnostic atheist: Yet, I am firmly sure and know they dont
Implicit atheist: Even if I don't say it directly
Explicit atheist: And when I do, it would be a loud voice

Weak atheist: but sometimes I feel gods may exist
Agnostic weak atheist: Even though I feel this belief, I can't be sure so I won't say

Strong atheist: but when I do believe gods don't exist. I am not afraid to admit it
Agnostic strong atheist: As long as you know there is a one percent change of my not knowing everything
Gnostic strong atheist: but then, to make the claim, I will say, I do know something but won't say knowledge just change it to belief

Theist: My counterpart believes gods exist
Agnostic theist: Yet, at times they do, they say they don't want to confirm it
Gnostic theist: But I meet others who say they know gods exist

But in my personal opinion, we don't know if there is a spoon floating on the edge of the galaxy nor do we know there is a fifty headed monster on the planet Venus. If we know something does not exist and have facts to prove it, then one is a gnostic. Nothing theist and atheist about it.
 

HonestJoe

Well-Known Member
The meanings of words depend strongly on context. Attempts to define terms like this assume a context (if only subconsciously), typically one with negative connotations in some direction or other. I prefer to deal with individuals on their basis of their own words and actions rather than come up with a set of predefined categories to try to squeeze everyone in to.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Atheist: someone who is not a theist.
Agnostic atheist: someone who is not a theist and believes that the question of whether gods exist is unknowable.
Gnostic atheist: no such thing. Gnosticism is an actual thing; it doesn't apply to any and every person who claims to know something.
Implicit atheist: an atheist who hasn't outright rejected whichever god (or group of gods) is being discussed.
Explicit atheist: an atheist who has outright rejected whichever god (or group of gods) is being discussed.

Note - typically, an adult, aware atheist will be an explicit atheist with regard to some gods and an implicit atheist with regard to the rest.

Weak atheist: implicit atheist.
Agnostic weak atheist: implicit atheist who believes that the question of whether gods exist is unknowable.

Strong atheist: explicit atheist
Agnostic strong atheist: explicit atheist believes that the question of whether gods exist is unknowable.
Gnostic strong atheist: no such thing.

Theist: someone who believes in at least one thing that he or she considers to be a god.
Agnostic theist: someone who believes in a god, but doesn't think he has a good reason to do so. :D
Gnostic theist: a gnostic.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Why would it be?

Neither theism nor atheism are practices. They're ideologies. They don't involve doing anything. Religion does. A major component of religions includes things like rituals and celebrations - things that are done, not things that are believed.

One might argue that theology is a practice, perhaps, in the sense that it is a scholastic discipline (aka, the study of the gods).
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
Neither theism nor atheism are practices. They're ideologies. They don't involve doing anything. Religion does. A major component of religions includes things like rituals and celebrations - things that are done, not things that are believed.

One might argue that theology is a practice, perhaps, in the sense that it is a scholastic discipline (aka, the study of the gods).
So it's a semantic dispute. Fair enough.

Ideologies are practiced as long as they are practical.
 

ArtieE

Well-Known Member
Atheist: a person who absence the belief that at least one God/god exist.
Agnostic atheist: (including definition of atheist), a person who don't know if God/gods exist or not, and/or think that the existence of God/gods is unknowable.
Gnostic atheist: (including definition of atheist), a person who know no God/god exist.
Implicit atheist: a person who unconsciously absence the belief that at least one God/god exist.
Explicit atheist: a person who consciously absence the belief that at least one God/god exist.

Strong atheist: a person who absence the belief that at least one God/god exist, a person who believe no God/god exist.
Agnostic strong atheist: (including definition of strong atheist), a person who don't know if God/gods exist or not.
Gnostic strong atheist: (including definition of atheist), a person who know no God/god exist. Same definition with gnostic atheist.

Weak atheist: a person who absence the belief that at least one God/god exist, a person who absence the belief that no God/god exist.
Agnostic weak atheist: (including definition of weak atheist), a person who don't know if God/gods exist or not.

Theist: a person who believe at least one God/god exist.
Agnostic theist: (including definition of theist), a person who don't know if God/god exist or not.
Gnostic theist: a person who know at least one God/god exist.
Except for the grammatical errors this is all pretty much correct! Well done! You got it!
 
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