Your opinions on the U.S. border wall

[youknowme]

People for good reason have effective security barriers around their own homes or communities to keep away trespassers, if that works well for them, then why do you doubt an effective border security barrier would keep away many trespassers?

I see you are back to making your selective correlations.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Who can really say? But shouldn't we be obliged to try and slow it?

Border wall needed to protect against a 'caravan' of a different kind: drugs

• "In just the first five months of 2018, customs officers and U.S. Border Patrol agents seized 1,060 pounds of Fentanyl."
• Given the fact that these drugs are now the leading cause of death in America -outnumbering peak annual HIV-related deaths, car crash-related deaths and gun-related deaths - if that does not qualify as a crisis to Congress members, I don't know what will.
  
• Pew Trusts cites an important decline in "the availability of prescription painkillers. Even as overdose deaths spiraled over the last five years, the rate of prescribed opioid consumption began to decline." However, according to that same report the death rate is still higher than it was 10 years ago.
  
• Illegal Fentanyl is flooding the southern border. According to a recent report, the illegal drug comes from two main sources: China and Mexico. It arrives in two ways: U.S. consumers order it directly from laboratories in China or Chinese companies ship it to smugglers in Mexico, where the goods are then shipped into the U.S. via popular trucking routes.

If there was $5 billion (or $30 billion) available to spend to stop opiod deaths, only an idiot - or someone disingenuous about their real motives - would spend that money on a border wall.

Care to hazard a guess how many naloxone kits $5 billion could buy?

 

[Salvador]

Concerned, But Not Wanting To Offend, Canada Quietly Plants Privacy Hedge Along Entire U.S. Border.

An open border between the U.S. and Canada doesn't present us Americans with many of the problems as would an open border between the U.S. and Mexico . For example, Canadians aren't smuggling illegal drugs into the United States, in fact, Canada can't even grow enough marijuana for their own pot smoking citizens. ....

Canada Nearly Runs Out of Weed After Legalization

 

[YmirGF]

Concerned, But Not Wanting To Offend, Canada Quietly Plants Privacy Hedge Along Entire U.S. Border.

Talk 'bout hedging ones bet.

 

[Salvador]

If there was $5 billion (or $30 billion) available to spend to stop opiod deaths, only an idiot - or someone disingenuous about their real motives - would spend that money on a border wall.

Care to hazard a guess how many naloxone kits $5 billion could buy?

An effective border security border isn't just about reducing illegal drug trafficking, it's also about reducing illegal sex trafficking, and it's about reducing the spread of diseases from illegal immigrants. Furthermore, it's about keeping away violent gang members from Latin America as well as keeping away uneducated and non-skilled people who are seeking to subsist on American taxpayer funded overly generous welfare benefits.

 

[Cooky]

If there was $5 billion (or $30 billion) available to spend to stop opiod deaths, only an idiot - or someone disingenuous about their real motives - would spend that money on a border wall.

Care to hazard a guess how many naloxone kits $5 billion could buy?

Well, see there..? I learned me something new today. Probably I should buy one, since my CPR was ineffective last time.

...Nobody ever tells me this stuff.

 

[Salvador]

Concerned, But Not Wanting To Offend, Canada Quietly Plants Privacy Hedge Along Entire U.S. Border.

This post just gave me a brilliant idea, if the POTUS can't get funding for a effective steel slated barrier to be erected at the U.S. and Mexico border, then Trump needs to bargain for environmentally friendly hedges and impenetrable walls of giant cacti planted along the U.S.-Mexico border.

 

[Cooky]

This post just gave me a brilliant idea, if the POTUS can't get funding for a effective steel slated barrier to be erected at the U.S. and Mexico border, then Trump needs to bargain for environmentally friendly hedges and impenetrable walls of giant cacti planted along the U.S.-Mexico border.

I'd like to see both, but have the cacti planted so thick, not even a mouse could get through unscratched... and about 300 feet from the wall outward. Then dig random ditches within the dense growth to assure trips and falls.

 

[Shad]

An open border between the U.S. and Canada doesn't present us Americans with many of the problems as would an open border between the U.S. and Mexico . For example, Canadians aren't smuggling illegal drugs into the United States, in fact, Canada can't even grow enough marijuana for their own pot smoking citizens. ....

Canada Nearly Runs Out of Weed After Legalization

The illegal market still exists. Do not conflate a lack of legal production with illegal production. Illegal dealers and grows ops are not suddenly legal due to the new law. People still have to go through business application. Start-up capital or external investment is required. Contracts with grow ops and distribution services. Taxes dodges obviously. Criminal organizations are not going to apply for permits nor will those permits be accepted from such sources. It will take decades for the public market to take over the illegal market.


Canada supplies around 1/3 of the world's pot via the illegal market.

 

[Salvador]

I see you are back to making your selective correlations.

"Before 2010, federal data show the border city was mired in violent crime and drug smuggling, thanks in large part to illicit activities spilling over from the Mexican side. Once the fence went up, however, things changed almost overnight. El Paso since then has consistently topped rankings for cities of 500,000 residents or more with low crime rates, based on FBI-collected statistics. The turnaround even caught the attention of former Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and other Obama administration officials, who touted it as one of the nation’s safest cities while citing the beefed-up border security there.

Federal data illustrates just how remarkable the turnaround in crime has been since the fence was built. According to FBI tables, property crimes in El Paso have plunged more than 37 percent to 12,357 from their pre-fence peak of 19,702 a year, while violent crimes have dropped more than 6 percent to 2,682 from a peak of 2,861 a year."

https://nypost.com/2018/01/13/we-already-have-a-border-wall-and-it-works/

So then, does this mean you doubt effective security barriers have anything to do with the cause and correlation of reduced crimes against persons or property in most places where there are effective security barriers to thwart illegal trespassing?

 

[Curious George]

I'd like to see both, but have the cacti planted so thick, not even a mouse could get through unscratched... and about 300 feet from the wall outward. Then dig random ditches within the dense growth to assure trips and falls.

That seems expensive, do you not think chipping would be cheaper?

 

[Salvador]

That seems expensive, do you not think chipping would be cheaper?

Surgically implanting chips in somebody might not be very costly. I've read that it cost around $200 for a vet to implant an RFID tracking device in a dog.

 

[youknowme]

"Before 2010, federal data show the border city was mired in violent crime and drug smuggling, thanks in large part to illicit activities spilling over from the Mexican side. Once the fence went up, however, things changed almost overnight. El Paso since then has consistently topped rankings for cities of 500,000 residents or more with low crime rates, based on FBI-collected statistics. The turnaround even caught the attention of former Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and other Obama administration officials, who touted it as one of the nation’s safest cities while citing the beefed-up border security there.

Federal data illustrates just how remarkable the turnaround in crime has been since the fence was built. According to FBI tables, property crimes in El Paso have plunged more than 37 percent to 12,357 from their pre-fence peak of 19,702 a year, while violent crimes have dropped more than 6 percent to 2,682 from a peak of 2,861 a year."

https://nypost.com/2018/01/13/we-already-have-a-border-wall-and-it-works/

So then, does this mean you doubt effective security barriers have anything to do with the cause and correlation of reduced crimes against persons or property in most places where there are effective security barriers to thwart illegal trespassing?

Do you have something that is NOT an opinion article (that is clearly politically motivated against Democrats)? Do you have the actual data? What does this have to do with the fences around people's yards? Also why do you seem to think people are altogether opposed to barriers in select locations?

 

[youknowme]

It is funny to see Trump supporters so gosh darned worried that things are done legally.

 

[youknowme]

That seems expensive, do you not think chipping would be cheaper?

I am positive that would raise some human right concerns.

 

[Salvador]

Do you have something that is NOT an opinion article (that is clearly politically motivated against Democrats)? Do you have the actual data? What does this have to do with the fences around people's yards? Also why do you seem to think people are altogether opposed to barriers in select locations?

Government FBI crime data is hardly politically motivated against Democrats .... You just simply refuse to respond towards any valid reason given why there should be an effective security border barrier.

 

[youknowme]

Government crime data is hardly politically motivated against Democrats .... You just simply refuse to respond towards any valid reason given why there should be an effective security border barrier.

The writer of your op-ed clearly is anti-Democrat, so yes, I would like to see the actual data themselves. That is what we are suppose to be doing instead of just blindly trusting some op-ed news article. Btw, I noticed you ignored the rest of my questions.

 

[Salvador]

I am positive that would raise some human right concerns.

Illegal immigrants given the choice of being imprisoned in an overcrowded detention center or having a tracking device implant might willing choose the later, this would then no longer be a human rights violation.

 

[Salvador]

The writer of your op-ed clearly is anti-Democrat, so yes, I would like to see the actual data themselves. That is what we are suppose to be doing instead of just blindly trusting some op-ed news article. Btw, I noticed you ignored the rest of my questions.

Here's the actual data: List of United States cities by crime rate - Wikipedia

El Paso mayor Democrat Beto O’Rourke has himself touted reduced crime rates in El Paso since 2010 when a border security barrier was erected there. Is he an anti-Democrat?

 

[youknowme]

Illegal immigrants given the choice of being imprisoned in an overcrowded detention center or having a tracking device implant might willing choose the later, this would then no longer be a human rights violation.

Some might consider that coercion. If you really think we can just start chipping people and not raise human right concerns then I must ask: Do you actually live in America?