Skwim
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Curious, have you explained what pornographic behavior consists of so they can recognize it if they come across it?
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Your Religious Attitude Toward Nudity and Sex
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Trailblazer
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I guess I am an inclusivist too... Although I believe all the major religions are true, over time the older religions have veered from the truth as it was originally revealed by God... I believe that all the major religions contain the same spiritual verities, but only the Baha'i Faith has the current message that God wants everyone to have for this age in history.
RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
That sounds partially exclusivist.
Ponder This
Well-Known Member
While I was growing up, I was not offered any guidance at all on this subject from a religious perspective, just a general sense conveyed that it was shameful outside of marriage.
Buddha Dharma
Dharma Practitioner
The only way not to sound exclusivist in at least some degree is to act as though religious differences don't matter, which would in fact mean all religions are wrong. If fundamentally differing statements carry equal weight, it means they're all incorrect.
Semi-exclusivist is probably the best route to go, IMO. I'm semi-exclusivist about Buddhism, and gladly admit it.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
To elaborate a bit, sex seems to be an issue that for certain reasons works well as a sort of "Trojan" issue. That is, when you can't get people to give up their rights any other way, you can often get them to give up their rights by rallying them to oppose other people's sexuality. For example, I might fiercely defend my right to privacy in consensual sexual matters up until you start clamoring about the homosexual lifestyle destroying civilization. Then I become alarmed, grant you the right to tell what homosexuals can or can't do in the privacy of their bedrooms. Later, you use that precedent to take away might right to do as I wish in the privacy of my own bedroom. About the only thing that works better than sex as a Trojan issue is "Think of the Children!"
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Inclusivism, one of several approaches to understanding the relationship between religions, asserts that while one set of beliefs is absolutely true, other sets of beliefs are at least partially true. It stands in contrast to exclusivism, which asserts that only one way is true and all others are in error. It is a particular form of religious pluralism, though that term may also assert that all beliefs are equally valid within a believer's particular context.
Inclusivism - Wikipedia
Let me explain why I am an inclusivist.
I believe that my beliefs are absolutely true, and other sets of beliefs are partially true. The caveat is that all the major religions were absolutely true when they were first revealed by God to the Prophets, but after a while the followers veered from what the Prophets revealed so they were no longer following that original truth.
The second way that I am an inclusivist is that I believe my religion has all the truth that has been revealed by God to date. The older religions do not have the new message, or the new social teachings and new laws, so they only partially true in that regard. In short, they are missing part of what God wants us to know in this new age.
Religious exclusivism asserts that one religion is true and that all others are in error. Alvin Plantinga describes relativism as, "being rather fully aware of other religions, knowing that there is much that at least looks like genuine piety and devoutness in them, believing that you know of no arguments that would convince all or most honest and intelligent dissenters of your own religious allegiances"
Exclusivism - Wikipedia
I am not exclusivist because I do not believe that any religions as they were originally revealed by God are in error. All religions have the same eternal spiritual verities such as faith, knowledge, certitude, justice, piety, righteousness, trustworthiness, love of God, benevolence, purity, detachment, humility, meekness, patience and constancy, so in a sense they are all as true as any other religion. The problem is as I said that the older religions are missing what is needed for this new Day of God, the new message and the new social teachings and laws. The other problem is that man has tampered with the older religions so they are no longer the same as they were at the time of revelation.
That is why God renews religion from age to age.
“And now concerning thy question regarding the nature of religion. Know thou that they who are truly wise have likened the world unto the human temple. As the body of man needeth a garment to clothe it, so the body of mankind must needs be adorned with the mantle of justice and wisdom. Its robe is the Revelation vouchsafed unto it by God. Whenever this robe hath fulfilled its purpose, the Almighty will assuredly renew it. For every age requireth a fresh measure of the light of God. Every Divine Revelation hath been sent down in a manner that befitted the circumstances of the age in which it hath appeared.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 81
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
No, not unless people are nothing more than sexual beings.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Sorry, but that does not logically follow. Sex only has to play an important part in their life to allow them to be controlled in this manner.No, not unless people are nothing more than sexual beings.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Yeah, you're right... Thanks for the correction.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
I have enough of my own issues with sex without dragging God into it. I try REALLY hard not to hate much on sexual ideas (consent and harm are my biggest berserk buttons) because I don't feel it is morally right to legislate or support legislation based on my own psychological problems.
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
Yes, they were aware from their youth that persons keep their genitals covered, for example, in public/online.
Skwim
Veteran Member
In other words then, they should consider images of nudists to be pornographic. Interesting. . . . . .sadly enough.
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RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
Hmm, okay. If it works for you, great. I think it's possible that all religions are wrong insofar as their belief systems are rigid.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
What do you mean by rigid? Do you mean they do not allow for other beliefs, or do you mean that their teachings and laws are rigid?
Buddha Dharma
Dharma Practitioner
I appreciate your tolerance, really
However, this isn't about 'what works for me'. This is about definitions and truth value. Christians believe Jesus is God Incarnate. Muslims believe God is of such a nature it has no form, doesn't incarnate, and doesn’t beget.
These are conflicting statements and CANNOT be equally true. They can be equally wrong though.
This is why people serious about their beliefs are going to be somewhat exclusivist, even if we aren't rigid about it. Meaning, accepting that other religions have some truth- or hit upon the truth.
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
My children know the difference between, say, a classical Renaissance painting with nudes in it, one we might also study in school or home school, and people exposing their genitals for the express purpose to rub them along others' faces while ejaculating semen and shouting curse words of "loving endearment". GIVE ME A BREAK.
And give your kids a break and protect them from porn addiction, too.