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Your thoughts on this parable?

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GiveMeATicketToWork
Matthew 26:51-53
One of those with Jesus, having stretched forth the hand, drew his sword, and having struck the servant of the chief priest, he took off his ear. Jesus said to him, `Turn back your sword to its place; for all who did take the sword, by the sword will perish; do you think that I am not able now to call on my Father, and He will place beside me more than twelve legions of messengers?

Cain is the archetype of this curse.

Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would later lead men to all truth which they could not bear when Jesus was among them.

Remember that before Jesus left, he said:

Luke 22:36
English Standard Version (ESV)
(36)He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one.
 

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would later lead men to all truth which they could not bear when Jesus was among them.

Remember that before Jesus left, he said:

Luke 22:36
English Standard Version (ESV)
(36)He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one.

As a deterrent.

Matthew 10:16-22

I do send you as sheep in the midst of wolves, therefore be wise as serpents, and simple as doves. Take heed of men, for they will give you up to sanhedrims, and in their synagogues they will scourge you, and before governors and kings you will be brought for the Son of Man's sake, for a testimony to them and to the nations. And, whenever they may deliver you up, don't become anxious how or what you may speak, because it will be given to you in that hour what you will speak; for you are not the speakers, but the Spirit of your Father speaks in you. Brother will deliver up brother to death, and father child, and children will rise up against parents, and will put them to death, and you will be hated by all because of my name, but he who has endured to the end, he will be saved.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
As a deterrent.
Matthew 10:16-22
I do send you as sheep in the midst of wolves, therefore be wise as serpents, and simple as doves. Take heed of men, for they will give you up to sanhedrims, and in their synagogues they will scourge you, and before governors and kings you will be brought for the Son of Man's sake, for a testimony to them and to the nations. And, whenever they may deliver you up, don't become anxious how or what you may speak, because it will be given to you in that hour what you will speak; for you are not the speakers, but the Spirit of your Father speaks in you. Brother will deliver up brother to death, and father child, and children will rise up against parents, and will put them to death, and you will be hated by all because of my name, but he who has endured to the end, he will be saved.

' endured to the end ' - Matthew 24:13 - endure to either the end of one's life, or to faithfully endure to the end of all badness on earth - Matthew 24:14.
We are nearing the soon coming ' time of separation ' on earth - Matthew 25:31-33,37 - when righteous people living on earth, can remain alive on earth, and continue living on earth right into the start of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over earth.
 

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
It is good that so many people have offered ideas about this parable but Jesus said He spoke in parables so everyone would NOT understand. He was NOT trying to speak in plain language so everyone would know what He meant.
 

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GiveMeATicketToWork
As a deterrent.

Matthew 10:16-22

I do send you as sheep in the midst of wolves, therefore be wise as serpents, and simple as doves. Take heed of men, for they will give you up to sanhedrims, and in their synagogues they will scourge you, and before governors and kings you will be brought for the Son of Man's sake, for a testimony to them and to the nations. And, whenever they may deliver you up, don't become anxious how or what you may speak, because it will be given to you in that hour what you will speak; for you are not the speakers, but the Spirit of your Father speaks in you. Brother will deliver up brother to death, and father child, and children will rise up against parents, and will put them to death, and you will be hated by all because of my name, but he who has endured to the end, he will be saved.

Not seeing where the confusion is. Jesus plainly said:

(27)But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’” (Luke 19:27, ESV)

Is your claim that Jesus did not really say this?
 

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GiveMeATicketToWork
It is good that so many people have offered ideas about this parable but Jesus said He spoke in parables so everyone would NOT understand. He was NOT trying to speak in plain language so everyone would know what He meant.

This is pretty clear though:

Luke 19:27
English Standard Version (ESV)
(27)But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’”
 

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
The parable seems to be about a king who has his enemies slaughtered. One interpretation might be that those people who do not follow Jesus's rules will not be allowed in His kingdom when He returns to earth to rule. But this is just one possible meaning. It does not necessarily mean Jesus will have His enemies slaughtered, they just will not be allowed to join Him in His kingdom.
 

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GiveMeATicketToWork
The parable seems to be about a king who has his enemies slaughtered. One interpretation might be that those people who do not follow Jesus's rules will not be allowed in His kingdom when He returns to earth to rule. But this is just one possible meaning. It does not necessarily mean Jesus will have His enemies slaughtered, they just will not be allowed to join Him in His kingdom.

Sounds like a stretch, that is untrue.

You can say that anything that Jesus said does not mean what it says and you can make stuff up like that.
 

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
Not seeing where the confusion is. Jesus plainly said:

(27)But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’” (Luke 19:27, ESV)

Is your claim that Jesus did not really say this?


Of course, not.

He said therefore, "A certain man of birth went on to a far country, to take to himself a kingdom, and to return, and having called ten servants of his own, he gave to them ten pounds, and said unto them, 'Do business -- till I come';
and his citizens were hating him, and did send an embassy after him, saying, 'We do not wish this one to reign over us.'
And it came to pass, on his coming back, having taken the kingdom, that he commanded these servants to be called to him, to whom he gave the money, that he might know what any one had done in business. And the first came near, saying,' Sir, thy pound did gain ten poundsv; and he in response said to him, 'Well done, good servant, because in a very little thou didst become faithful, be having authority over ten cities.' And the second came, saying, 'Sir, thy pound made five pounds'; and he said also to this one, 'And thou, become thou over five cities.' And another came, saying, 'Sir, lo, thy pound, that I had lying away in a napkin; for I was afraid of thee, because thou art an austere man; thou takest up what thou didst not lay down, and reapest what thou didst not sow.' And he saith to him, 'Out of thy mouth I will judge thee, evil servant: thou knewest that I am an austere man, taking up what I did not lay down, and reaping what I did not sow! Wherefore didst thou not give my money to the bank, and I, having come, with interest might have received it?' And to those standing by he said, 'Take from him the pound, and give to him having the ten pounds' -- (and they said to him, Sir, he hath ten pounds) -- 'for I say to you, that to every one having shall be given, and from him not having, also what he hath shall be taken from him, but those my enemies, who did not wish me to reign over them, bring hither and slay before me.'



Here's my question:

Did any of this occur according to Jesus' words?

This is what God's will required:

John 18:36-37
Jesus answered, `My kingdom is not of this world; if my kingdom were of this world, my officers had struggled that I might not be delivered up to Jews; but now my kingdom is not from hence.' Pilate, therefore, said to him, `Art thou then a king?' Jesus answered, `Thou dost say [it]; because a king I am, I for this have been born, and for this I have come to the world, that I may testify to the truth; every one who is of the truth, doth hear my voice.'


Matthew 6:19-24
Treasure not up to yourselves treasures on the earth, where moth and rust disfigure, and where thieves break through and steal, but treasure up to yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth disfigure, and where thieves do not break through nor steal, for where your treasure is, there will be also your heart. The lamp of the body is the eye, if, therefore, thine eye may be perfect, all thy body shall be enlightened, but if thine eye may be evil, all thy body shall be dark; if, therefore, the light that [is] in thee is darkness -- the darkness, how great! None is able to serve two lords, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will hold to the one, and despise the other; ye are not able to serve God and Mammon.



So, we have a parable of a typical earthly king being related to those of earthly concern. Those of earthly concern are expecting a capitalist imperialist to reign over them; they have their treasure in their pockets, and the bloodlust of their worship on their hands.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Hello :)

Overall, I believe the parable means that in Jesus' ''absence'' ...those who are faithful, will be rewarded when He returns. You shouldn't only 'do' good things when people are looking, in a more secular view.

Matthew chapter 24 and Luke chapter 21 have both a minor and a major fulfillment. Luke 19:43-44,27 had a fulfillment in the year 70 when the Roman armies destroyed Jerusalem.
Those faithful -> Matthew 25:31-33; Matthew 25:37 <- will be rewarded at the soon coming ' time of separation ' on earth - Matthew 24:13
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
There's nothing temporary about the Prince of Peace's obligation to pacifism. The quote above is both an out of context excerpt of a parable/analogy, and contrary to what Jesus both did and commanded.
You'd be better off quoting Revelation, or some other person altogether.

Who gave the Revelation to John according to Revelation 1:1 but Jesus.
Isn't Jesus the Lamb of God ?
The Lamb ( Jesus ) completes his conquest - Revelation 6:1-2
What is pacifist about Jesus at Isaiah 11:3-4 ?
True, Jesus and his first-century followers were always neutral to world affairs, but Jesus was Not neutral regarding God's kingdom government - Daniel 7:13-14; Daniel 2:44
Faithful Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill. In order for that to happen the words from Jesus' mouth will execute the wicked. - 2 Thessalonians 3:1-3
- Revelation 19:11; Revelation 19:15; Psalms 92:7
What happens to the haughty goats at the soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on earth - Matthew 25:31-33 ?
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
The parable seems to be about a king who has his enemies slaughtered. One interpretation might be that those people who do not follow Jesus's rules will not be allowed in His kingdom when He returns to earth to rule. But this is just one possible meaning. It does not necessarily mean Jesus will have His enemies slaughtered, they just will not be allowed to join Him in His kingdom.

Since the words from Jesus' mouth will execute the wicked - Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:15 - and there will be remains - Jeremiah 25:31-33; Revelation 19:17-18 - doesn't that tell us the wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
The parable seems to be about a king who has his enemies slaughtered. One interpretation might be that those people who do not follow Jesus's rules will not be allowed in His kingdom when He returns to earth to rule. But this is just one possible meaning. It does not necessarily mean Jesus will have His enemies slaughtered, they just will not be allowed to join Him in His kingdom.

As part of chapter 19 of Luke, unfaithful apostate Jerusalem hated Jesus - Luke 19:14; Luke 19:27.
Jesus continued telling what would happen to those unfaithful ones at Luke 19:43-44
In the year 66 the Jewish Christians fled Jerusalem - Luke 21:20-22, and in the year 70 the Roman armies returned and did a great slaughter in apostate Jerusalem - Luke 21:24
 

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
Who gave the Revelation to John according to Revelation 1:1 but Jesus.
Isn't Jesus the Lamb of God ?
The Lamb ( Jesus ) completes his conquest - Revelation 6:1-2
What is pacifist about Jesus at Isaiah 11:3-4 ?
True, Jesus and his first-century followers were always neutral to world affairs, but Jesus was Not neutral regarding God's kingdom government - Daniel 7:13-14; Daniel 2:44
Faithful Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill. In order for that to happen the words from Jesus' mouth will execute the wicked. - 2 Thessalonians 3:1-3
- Revelation 19:11; Revelation 19:15; Psalms 92:7
What happens to the haughty goats at the soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on earth - Matthew 25:31-33 ?


Slaying the wicked with the breath of the Son of Man's lips is pacifism. Daniel refers to those who teach, to reformation (as John the Baptist had been doing) as stars of the heaven. Cain is raised into age-during shame and contempt, in that his spirit fathers the vast majority of those who live in the world society. Those who are like Elijah, and Elisha, are not pacifists, and are the least in the kingdom of heaven- until they are reborn into ones preparing the way of the anointing of peace, teaching that those who are the lambs of God are the greatest in the kingdom. By baptising, John had himself become clean. Baptism of water is a temporary sense of renewal and clean spiritedness. Baptism of fire represents a permanent severance of the wickedness in people, from the good. Baptisms of fire come from tongues of fire; preaching through the universal language, truth.
 

SpeaksForTheTrees

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Peace to you.

I was just sitting here thinking about the Bible passage from the Book of Luke that says that Jesus is going to kill the disbelievers when he returns...that Bible passage is Luke 19:11-27, and here is the concluding verse from that passage:

Luke 19:11-27
English Standard Version (ESV)

The Parable of the Ten Minas

...(27)But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’”

Anyone with any thoughts on this?

Thank you for all answers,
Noah

(EDIT - This post is not meant to affect anyone's emotions but is meant for intelligent discussion.)

My thoughts ,, Jesus did not say this , these words where included at a later date , using a concept called divine right .
 

SpeaksForTheTrees

Well-Known Member
I see...thanks! :):)
Is my understanding The Lord , The Hand of God could be referring to the human king who rules by Gods hand .Ancient medevil kings probably lived more in a subjective reality , thought they themselves Gods .
Call it a medevil nuclear deterant .
Some call it cherry picking however the elites have had much influence on ALL the religions , do not worry God shows us exactly which Cherry's we should eat , while diverting us away from the sour .
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
My thoughts ,, Jesus did not say this , these words where included at a later date , using a concept called divine right .

The ancient manuscripts support Bible canon.
The 1st-century Jews did Not want Jesus to reign over them - Luke 19:14
In the year 70 the Roman armies came and destroyed Jerusalem while they were in Jerusalem - Luke 19:27
Verse 27 came true just as Jesus described at Luke 19:43-44; Luke 21:20-22
 
Why can't we interpret the Bible as we wish? I sometimes wonder why we ''need'' others interpretations to decide what it means for us.

Honestly, believers should call upon the Holy Spirit when reading the Bible for wisdom and truth. :innocent:
Interpreting the Bible to anyone's whim is very problematic and leads to really unhealthy practices for instance:

1. Snake handling
2. Denying health benefits to the sick
3. Can lead to defending slavery

All of us need guidence with the scriptures to understand them spiritually correct.
 
It is good that so many people have offered ideas about this parable but Jesus said He spoke in parables so everyone would NOT understand. He was NOT trying to speak in plain language so everyone would know what He meant.
Excellent reply and right on point. The parable has to do with the wasting of our talents, failure to plant seeds and the penalty for rejecting God.

As the quoted poster mentioned Jesus used parables as a deflection to protect himself against prosecution before it was His time and still teach a lesson.
 
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