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@Truthseeker are you sure there isn't a sufi hiding within you
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You have the same conceptual problem as Starlight94. It's orthodox, unesoteric Islam vs. mystical Islam. Sufi is not a sect of Islam. You can be a Sunni Sufi or a Shi'i Sufi.This is like asking what is the difference between Methodism and Christianity. The first is a subgroup of the latter. So sufism is Islam, but is a subgroup. It is a mystical development within Islam.
Reading the Seven Valleys and the Four Valleys by Baha'u'llah helps. By the way, I first heard the voice of God when I read the beginning of the Seven Valley 51 years ago. That's when I woke up spiritually. However, the higher valleys in the Seven Valleys are still beyond me. The Seven Valleys were written after the pattern of Conference of the Birds by Attar.Death befor dying means end of ego while stil living on this earth so yes ego death is most important
And you do understand sufi thought my friend
Now I understand where you have your wisdom fromReading the Seven Valleys and the Four Valleys by Baha'u'llah helps. By the way, I first heard the voice of God when I read the beginning of the Seven Valley 51 years ago. That's when I woke up spiritually. However, the higher valleys in the Seven Valleys are still beyond me. The Seven Valleys were written after the pattern of Conference of the Birds by Attar.
I see. I misunderstood him.He's referring to orthodox Islam when he says Islam, that is, Islam without esoteric meanings in their eyes. He can correct me if I'm wrong, but that's my understanding.
For you that are not a Muslim or a Sufi.
What is your understanding of the two teachings of Sufism vs Islam ?
Why do you feel the way you do toward the two teachings?
This thread is not about right/wrong between the two just what your view is.
One is a religion of arab raiders which was used by various organized criminal tribes to loot caravans ad share their women.Of course,this is the medieval arab raiding context and this context can be important for some followers.For you that are not a Muslim or a Sufi.
What is your understanding of the two teachings of Sufism vs Islam ?
Why do you feel the way you do toward the two teachings?
This thread is not about right/wrong between the two just what your view is.
sufism is a branch of islam.Is Sufism not Islam?
sufism is a branch of islam.
Sufism is the heart of islam. Sufi islam is the mystical/spiritual dimention of islam
Sufism is not separate from islam.
sufism is a branch of islam.
Sufism is the heart of islam. Sufi islam is the mystical/spiritual dimention of islam
Sufism is not separate from islam.
You have the same conceptual problem as Starlight94. It's orthodox, unesoteric Islam vs. mystical Islam. Sufi is not a sect of Islam. You can be a Sunni Sufi or a Shi'i Sufi.
I semi-Sufi because I believe in Wahdatal wujood and a lot of their spiritual teachings, but disagree with some of their teachings and methods.
You believe in Wahdathul Wujood? Why? Can you explain a bit?
One is a religion of arab raiders which was used by various organized criminal tribes to loot caravans ad share their women.Of course,this is the medieval arab raiding context and this context can be important for some followers.
Sufism looks like a spiritualism based Platonism and Eastern philosophy which is super imposed on top of the raiding tribal ideas.I would suppose this kind of superimposition cannot be great for open minded quest for truth.
God's life is Ultimate amount. Because God is filled with all greatness, goodness, beauty, and life, everything stems from him.
God's Life amount = God's Life amount + creation life amount.
This means creation doesn't add to amount of life therefore it seems from him. God lacks nothing, everything is found in him.
That and God is the light of all light, the truth of HIs sustenance being from him and towards him and returning us to him is talked about in the Quran.
Thats not Wahdathul Wujood.