Your veiw on 9/11?

[ericoh2]

What exactly does the U.S. government gain from a planned demolition and the destruction of lives involving the Twin Towers?

What exactly does the U.S. government gain from purposely ignoring information of a terrorist attack on the Twin Towers?

Add in the Pentagon as well and the target of Flight 93.

An inability to provide any adequate response to these questions shows nothing but conjecture. The common response is oil. A laughable notion. More specifically, to engage Iraq in a war for some sort of benefit in controlling the oil market. How has that worked out? Not at all.

However, gaining an understanding of the actual foreign policy relationship of the United States in the Middle East as well as other major players shows that such an endeavor is most unlikely. A common refrain I've heard is that the U.S. was buddy buddy with Saddam during the 1980's. That's false information. The U.S., the U.S.S.R. and Israel all played a complex role in the Middle East during the Iraq war against Iran. The conflict between Arab and Persian cultures was a well known and age old conflict for control of the region. Many nations played the two against each other to prevent either from gaining a dominant influence. That's why the U.S. supplied both sides with military aid of some form during the war. Even Israel supplied Iran during the war with arms in our involvement with the U.S.S.R. and Afghanistan.

Also, the United States militarily rolled over Iraq during the Gulf War in 1991. Many factions called for a complete ouster of Saddam during that time and despite naysaying we did possess a treaty calling for action against Iraq when they invaded Kuwait. A nation dependent on oil with favorable treaties with Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and other Arab oil producing nations could have expanded it's influence by supporting the Kurds and Sunni's by prolonging the engagement and removing Saddam from power for any so called oil interests more than a decade ago. The support was already there.

So again. What exactly is the motivation for the federal government to either conpsire the destruction and death of so many American citizens or to purposefully ignore threats to them?

The first thing to understand that most of the conspiracy theorists I've read about feel this is orchestrated from a global elite/shadow government, not really the US government. From what I gather, the idea concerning the 9/11 conspiracy ,and most conspiracy theory's involving governments, is that the power elite is working toward a one world, centralized, state of power. In the theory these attacks are being used as fear mongering to increase the power of the government through new legislation (ie. The Patriot Act). You have to understand that in these theories, the powers that be are viewed as essentially sociopathic so in the theorists view they have no concern at all whether someone is killed or not. It does appear to me that many powerful figures(including politicians and the extremely wealthy) do have sociopathic tendencies and really nothing they do would suprise me. It's hard to guage the level of involvment with particular powers in these theories but I have seen enough evidence to at least say that there very well could be a lot more to them than meets the eye.

 

[gnomon]

The first thing to understand that most of the conspiracy theorists I've read about feel this is orchestrated from a global elite/shadow government, not really the US government. From what I gather, the idea concerning the 9/11 conspiracy ,and most conspiracy theory's involving governments, is that the power elite is working toward a one world, centralized, state of power. In the theory these attacks are being used as fear mongering to increase the power of the government through new legislation (ie. The Patriot Act). You have to understand that in these theories, the powers that be are viewed as essentially sociopathic so in the theorists view they have no concern at all whether someone is killed or not. It does appear to me that many powerful figures(including politicians and the extremely wealthy) do have sociopathic tendencies and really nothing they do would suprise me. It's hard to guage the level of involvment with particular powers in these theories but I have seen enough evidence to at least say that there very well could be a lot more to them than meets the eye.

Are you talking about the Bilderbergers and similar so called organizations?

Do you really believe this or are you presenting this as information that the 9/11 "truthers" put forth?

 

[enchanted_one1975]

Oh, it happened. But now it is being used as an excuse to strip away the few freedoms that we have/had left.

 

[ericoh2]

Are you talking about the Bilderbergers and similar so called organizations?

Do you really believe this or are you presenting this as information that the 9/11 "truthers" put forth?

Yeah the Bilderderber group, trilalateral commission, Rockefellers, Rothchilds, Windsors, and the Romanov familes are the main one's I've come across. Honestly I do not know what happened with 9/11 but I certainly do not dismiss the theories. I have absolutley no trust in what is put out on the news and the government information. This does not mean that nothing they say is true, but I always try to research as many sources as possible to try and get the most accurate picture of anything I am interested in. In many cases I've found that government stories do not match up at all with independent sources and often I'm left with little idea at all as to what the truth might be. Concerning 9/11 I've seen enough information to determine that the official story is very, very shaky and many have offered fairly plausible explanations as to why this is.

 

[gnomon]

Yeah the Bilderderber group, trilalateral commission, Rockefellers, Rothchilds, Windsors, and the Romanov familes are the main one's I've come across. Honestly I do not know what happened with 9/11 but I certainly do not dismiss the theories. I have absolutley no trust in what is put out on the news and the government information. This does not mean that nothing they say is true, but I always try to research as many sources as possible to try and get the most accurate picture of anything I am interested in. In many cases I've found that government stories do not match up at all with independent sources and often I'm left with little idea at all as to what the truth might be. Concerning 9/11 I've seen enough information to determine that the official story is very, very shaky and many have offered fairly plausible explanations as to why this is.

My question still remains.

What does the U.S. government have to gain form conspiring in such an action or purposefully failing to act on information?

 

[ericoh2]

My question still remains.

What does the U.S. government have to gain form conspiring in such an action or purposefully failing to act on information?

This depends on how you view the US government. If you think all there is to it is the congress, president/vice president than your question is valid. If you view the US government as being a front for a shadow organization with global connections and a global agenda than your question really doesn't carry any weight. Theorists tend to take the latter view and see these actions as methods to increase control and lead towards more centralized power. That is by passing laws that further limit freedom. These events are usually seen as stepping stones to move forward with their agenda.

 

[ericoh2]

One more thing I would add is that the governmental system is said to be compartmentalized in such a way that many government officials really just take orders. I don't think many theorists would say that the entire government is involved in the conspiracy, only those at the higher levels.

 

[Rain Drops]

What does the U.S. government have to

Who or what are the US Government?

What particuarly are you referring to? Previous Administration? Public Servants? The Corporations that own America?

 

[Vile Atheist]

Regardless of whatever crimes the US may or may not have committed in the Middle East, killing civilians is a despicable act and the group responsible should be brought to justice.

 

[gnomon]

Who or what are the US Government?

What particuarly are you referring to? Previous Administration? Public Servants? The Corporations that own America?

I can only assume the basic questions I asked are too simple for some.

 

[McBell]

What does the U.S. government have to gain form conspiring in such an action or purposefully failing to act on information?

lets see, passage of the patriot act comes to mind rather quickly....

 

[Gunfingers]

The one that gained the government nothing and most of whose powers were struck down by the Supreme Court?

 

[ericoh2]

The one that gained the government nothing and most of whose powers were struck down by the Supreme Court?

there's a lot more to it than just The Patriot Act in the conspiracy theories. It helped jump start the ongoing war against a never ending threat "terrorism," sparked new international terror laws, and the simple act of creating a more fear based society (which is always good for control.) The greatest contribution for there agenda would likely be the war. Some theories suggest that it may be used in an Orwellian fashion from the book 1984 to further centralize control.

 

[gnomon]

lets see, passage of the patriot act comes to mind rather quickly....

That's a reaction. The Patriot Act is zero proof of any intention by the U.S. government to either perpetrate or purposely allow the attacks on 9/11.

 

[McBell]

That's a reaction. The Patriot Act is zero proof of any intention by the U.S. government to either perpetrate or purposely allow the attacks on 9/11.

Move the goal posts much?

 

[OmarKhayyam]

"So again. What exactly is the motivation for the federal government to either conpsire the destruction and death of so many American citizens or to purposefully ignore threats to them?"

It wasn't the government but a small faction in the GOP - the Neo-Cons who were actually quite open in their plans. See the PNC document.

Would they have deliberately set on their hands and allow 9-11 to happen? Personally, I think they would. As evidence I cite what they have publicly said and done since and as recently as last week Cheney mouthing off about Obama destroying Bush's national security legacy.

I take these folks at their word. They believe in American exceptionalism and that justifies American hegemony in the world. A Pax Americana is a good thing and losing a few thousands civilians in the struggle to achieve it is a small price to pay.

Does that prove they knowingly did nothing? No. I doubt such a position CAN be proven absent some confession and details from those directly involved.

It does resemble the old "Roosevelt knew about Pearl harbor" argument and we never could establish that either.

But as others have pointed out the official version leaves many serious questions not satisfactorily answered - and others not even addressed.

 

[Smoke]

As much as I despise Bush, I don't believe he would have been complicit in such acts.

Cheney, on the other hand ...

The government being what it is, I imagine we're probably being kept in the dark about a few details, but I still think the official story is pretty much what happened.

 

[Smoke]

And the 9/11 truthers are as incompetent and deceitful as the Obama birthers.

There might even be some overlap. The only 9/11 truther I know personally is warning people that the swine flu shot is part of a plot by Obama to decimate the population of the U.S.

 

[gnomon]

Move the goal posts much?

No.

Laws are enacted for a variety of reasons.

What does the Patriot Act have to do with proving that the U.S. government did one of two things:
1) Perpetrated the acts in 9/11.
2) Knew about the attacks and purposely allowed them to happen.

Those were my questions from the get go.

Think it through.

 

[OmarKhayyam]

No.

Laws are enacted for a variety of reasons.

What does the Patriot Act have to do with proving that the U.S. government did one of two things:
1) Perpetrated the acts in 9/11.
2) Knew about the attacks and purposely allowed them to happen.

Those were my questions from the get go.

Think it through.

The Pat Act greatly expanded the power of the Feds to gain evidence from an unwilling subject. And w/o 9/11 it would never have passed. Again, if you read what they said they wanted - the act fits right in.