Your veiw on 9/11?

[Vile Atheist]

Hardly.

Russia, Cuba, Iran, Venezuela and most of all - China. None bow a knee to American power. Because there is not enough of it. When neither Russia nor China dare veto an American proposal in the UN Security Council - then you might have the kind of world the neo-cons dream of.

When Russia sells our allies oil at well below market price because the alternative is that we simply take it by force - now you have something.

Maybe I'm dense, but I still don't see how 9/11 ties into this, though. 9/11 -> Patriot Act -> Complete American Global Dominance? The US needs to spy on its own citizens to keep order? Why? Under the Patriot Act, it has been mostly Arab-Americans detained, false or legit. In this scenario you're presenting, shouldn't the government be detaining other groups of Americans? ANYONE who dissents? These dissenters include a lot of liberals. Why aren't they being detained, then?

 

[OmarKhayyam]

You did notice the results of the most recent presidential election - right?

And see #56.

 

[Vile Atheist]

You did notice the results of the most recent presidential election - right?

And see #56.

The GOP (and Fox News) is attacking Obama pretty harshly and have said some things that may be taken as calling for his assassination (i.e. "The enemy is in the house"), but if they wanted to do something about Obama, it'd have been done long ago.

My point is why aren't people like Michael Moore suffering "accidents" or "going missing"? And why aren't (or weren't...I'm not sure if you mean this is an ongoing thing or that it stopped when Obama got to the White House?) ordinary liberal citizens being detained who merely disagreed strongly with Bush's policies?

 

[ericoh2]

For anyone wondering how far the gov't will go to push their agenda check out this link Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Here is a 1962 top secret declassified document that discusses ways that the US could stage terrorist attacks and blame it on Cuba in order to justify a war against them. Remind you of 9/11 conspiracy theories? Maybe this will shed light an how little disregard the powers that be as a whole have for honesty or the well being of humanity.

 

[Gunfingers]

Yes, read that link and take carful note of the fact that it was never executed, nor accepted in any official sense, and was just an idea that someone proposed.

 

[ericoh2]

Yes, read that link and take carful note of the fact that it was never executed, nor accepted in any official sense, and was just an idea that someone proposed.

Also take note, that from what i've read instead of going to jail, Lyman Lemnitzer was just relieved of his duties and the next year went on to serve as Supreme Allied Commander, Nato 1963-1969. This is a plan where who knows how many civilians and soldiers would have been murdered and a war started under false pretenses and he doesn't go to jail, but continues to hold a powerful position? And also keep in mind that if this was carried out it probably would still be classified if not already destroyed. So who knows what has been carried out that we we will never get the story on.

 

[Gunfingers]

Ah yes, the famous "we have no evidence, so clearly there is a crap-ton of evidence" tactic.

Also i might add that proposing retarded plans is not something one usually goes to jail for. I rather doubt he ever intended it to be implemented. They're a think-tank, their job is to propose anything they can think of.

 

[ericoh2]

Yes, read that link and take carful note of the fact that it was never executed, nor accepted in any official sense, and was just an idea that someone proposed.

Also did you catch this part of the article. A ccording to Wikihere is a quote from James Bamford in his book "body of secrets" where he says Northwoods had the written approval of the chairman and EVERY MEMBER of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.


Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.[18]

 

[ericoh2]

Ah yes, the famous "we have no evidence, so clearly there is a crap-ton of evidence" tactic.

Also i might add that proposing retarded plans is not something one usually goes to jail for. I rather doubt he ever intended it to be implemented. They're a think-tank, their job is to propose anything they can think of.

I'm not saying that they did anything for sure. But are you telling me that you honestly believe that if they did carry out something like this they would leave it in a document to be declassified one day? I just don't see it happening. Here is evidence that they have at least proposed these ideas. Do you think this is the only time this has happened?

 

[Gunfingers]

Just so i'm clear.

If they ever actually do a false-flag operation, though would keep the documentation of it secret (in complete violation of FOIA, and without any of the various FOIA personnel who have to approve classification calling them out), but they would go right ahead show off to the world the time they didn't do it? Doesn't it seem like, if they could violate FOIA whenever they want they would hide NORTHWOOD too, and eliminate all suspicion? If they'd kept that secret you'd have nothing to go on.

 

[blackout]

Hitler burnt down his own state building
and blamed it on "the enemy" to rally support.


It's not like this kind of tactics are unheard of or anything.


And of course the german people would never have believed such a thing!
Because.... well because... only OTHER people's governments do such heinous things.
We all know that.

 

[Aquitaine]

Hitler burnt down his own state building

and blamed it on "the enemy" to rally support.


It's not like this kind of tactics are unheard of or anything.


And of course the german people would never have believed such a thing!
Because.... well because... only OTHER people's governments do such heinous things.
We all know that.

One thing that scares me is that (not referring to 911 here, but cover-ups in general) in a few years time there's gonna be a nice modern Chinese family having a chat, and the young one will say "So do you guys believe the whole Tiannamin Square thing?", and they'll all be like "Pffft, that's nothing more than a conspiracy theory".

 

[ericoh2]

One thing that scares me is that (not referring to 911 here, but cover-ups in general) in a few years time there's gonna be a nice modern Chinese family having a chat, and the young one will say "So do you guys believe the whole Tiannamin Square thing?", and they'll all be like "Pffft, that's nothing more than a conspiracy theory".

You know something, I was watching a video on Tiannamin square online a couple of weeks ago and some interviewers went to the college where most of the protesters involved in Tiannamin were from. They were interviewing current students there and many if not all of them did not recognize the famous picture of "tank man." If you type TIannamin square in China's google you don't see any pictures of the tank man according to the video. So it looks like they're already starting to push that incident under the rug, at least in China. Here is the link to the vid I was talking about if anyone wants to watch it

Tank Man

 

[McBell]

three words:

Magic Bullet Theory


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[Vile Atheist]

^ Magic Bullet. There's a good infomercial for that on the TV.

 

[Gunfingers]

three words:

Magic Bullet Theory
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I'm confused. Are you saying that magic bullet theory is an example of an "official" explaination being proven wrong by an individual examination of the evidence, or are you saying that magic bullet theory is a perfect example of a poor understanding of physics being used to justify a conspiracy theory? Three words just isn't enough sometimes, my friend.
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[McBell]

I'm confused. Are you saying that magic bullet theory is an example of an "official" explaination being proven wrong by an individual examination of the evidence, or are you saying that magic bullet theory is a perfect example of a poor understanding of physics being used to justify a conspiracy theory? Three words just isn't enough sometimes, my friend.
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Neither.

I said "Magic Bullet Theory"

 

[OmarKhayyam]

The GOP (and Fox News) is attacking Obama pretty harshly and have said some things that may be taken as calling for his assassination (i.e. "The enemy is in the house"), but if they wanted to do something about Obama, it'd have been done long ago.

My point is why aren't people like Michael Moore suffering "accidents" or "going missing"? And why aren't (or weren't...I'm not sure if you mean this is an ongoing thing or that it stopped when Obama got to the White House?) ordinary liberal citizens being detained who merely disagreed strongly with Bush's policies?

Respectfully - yeah you may be a little dense. A New American Century is the dream of a small but very powerful group of conservatives generally referred to Neo-Cons; Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush, John Bolton, Bill Krystal, etc. The PNC document was/is their statement of goals for the 21st century. During the 1st GW term these folk were in control of American policy. They used 9/11 as a pretext to enact and/or carry out many of the things they wanted to achieve over the next 50 years. As in five decades. They are now out of power. And Obama has slowed some of the progress they were making. They fully expect to be back in power, perhaps as early as 2012 and resume or speed up the achievement of their goals.


Obama is a freak accident. A one-term irritation. A bump in the road for these people.

They deeply believe America is the last best hope for civilization. That NO other country or culture is even close to being able to defend WesCiv from the Muslim leftist onslaught. Western Europe isn't even willing to get serious in this effort as they are mostly socialist already. And the American Democrat party is also; they just have the smarts not to say so. And the GOP is infected with RINO's like Snow and Collins.

It is only this small but dedicated and aware group who understands what is at stake and have the balls to do what is necessary to get it done.

And if don't believe that just read Dick Cheney's speeches and interviews.

 

[Perfect Circle]

Respectfully - yeah you may be a little dense. A New American Century is the dream of a small but very powerful group of conservatives generally referred to Neo-Cons; Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush, John Bolton, Bill Krystal, etc. The PNC document was/is their statement of goals for the 21st century. During the 1st GW term these folk were in control of American policy. They used 9/11 as a pretext to enact and/or carry out many of the things they wanted to achieve over the next 50 years. As in five decades. They are now out of power. And Obama has slowed some of the progress they were making. They fully expect to be back in power, perhaps as early as 2012 and resume or speed up the achievement of their goals.


Obama is a freak accident. A one-term irritation. A bump in the road for these people.

They deeply believe America is the last best hope for civilization. That NO other country or culture is even close to being able to defend WesCiv from the Muslim leftist onslaught. Western Europe isn't even willing to get serious in this effort as they are mostly socialist already. And the American Democrat party is also; they just have the smarts not to say so. And the GOP is infected with RINO's like Snow and Collins.

It is only this small but dedicated and aware group who understands what is at stake and have the balls to do what is necessary to get it done.

And if don't believe that just read Dick Cheney's speeches and interviews.

Wait... So are you in favor of this "oligarchy", or are you just stating the "facts"?

 

[OmarKhayyam]

Wait... So are you in favor of this "oligarchy", or are you just stating the "facts"?

Just the facts 'mam, just the facts.