Your view on abortion. Atheist welcome.

[leahrachelle]

This is interesting,

So they are biased because they chose the wrong answer? I believe the topic of discussion is what is right in this area.
In a court both prosecution and defense pick the jurors as to create a fair and just scenario as far removed from bias as humanly possible. In that scenario the verdict would and should be accepted as unbiased.

As it should be with the Supreme Court. There should be an equal number of people who feel each way to make sure there is no bias.

Above there is a comment to the logic of a baby not being considered a baby because it is missing the parts. I have always found this an interesting concept as we have a friend who's baby was born at 23 weeks!!! In Canada there are no abortion laws so a child may be aborted right up to the day they are born however at 23 weeks this baby had not yet formed fully functional lungs and didnt even have fully formed eyelids. However this child now lives healthy and normal, no less a child than my own children born full term. Unfortunately the debate of the pregnancy not having progressed far enough logical to terminate the potential for life sad and shallow at best. Where there lies a potential for life to exist we should allow it.

Agreed. And that is wonderful.

 

[Falvlun]

Where there lies a potential for life to exist we should allow it.

I take it your house is full of cockroaches and mice...

 

[astarath]

I take it your house is full of cockroaches and mice...

Ahhh the PETA activist speaks.

Unlike vermin a human life is somewhat different. I by no means am stating that the parent find themselves stuck with the child. If they are unable or do not want the responsibility place the child up for adoption or in an orphanage. But to cease the life of a person out of convenience is sloth at it's worst.

 

[McBell]

Ahhh the PETA activist speaks.

Unlike vermin a human life is somewhat different. I by no means am stating that the parent find themselves stuck with the child. If they are unable or do not want the responsibility place the child up for adoption or in an orphanage. But to cease the life of a person out of convenience is sloth at it's worst.

So quick t further tax a system that is seriously overtaxed to begin with.
George Carlin certainly hit the nail on the head:

Pre-birth: We are behind you 110%
preschool: **** YOU! You're on your own!!
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[astarath]

Absolutely, over taxed and over burdened. Let's take a couple trillion dollars a year out of killing each other (war, abortion, military funding) and put it towards allowing children to being born.

 

[McBell]

Absolutely, over taxed and over burdened. Let's take a couple trillion dollars a year out of killing each other (war, abortion, military funding) and put it towards allowing children to being born.

Good idea!
Then we can just pay millions more foster parents to babysit them until they come of age.

Hell, we don't need no stinking army or navy, or air force or marines, or reserves, or national guard.
What the hay, lets be rid of border patrol also.

Do you think they will accept jobs as foster parents?
Seeing as the economy is neck deep in the crapper, they will be needing jobs.....

 

[astarath]

Perfect! Then we would have exactly how many more tax payers???? For some reason an assumption is made that because a child is adopted or fostered they become a burden to society. Where are the proofs? They cant be found because we are currently ensuring that situation never arises. Within those lives there could lie a mind capable of curing cancer, aids, economic recession or global warming. But because there lies an assumption of burden it's easier to just deal and kill?

 

[McBell]

Perfect! Then we would have exactly how many more tax payers???? For some reason an assumption is made that because a child is adopted or fostered they become a burden to society. Where are the proofs? They cant be found because we are currently ensuring that situation never arises. Within those lives there could lie a mind capable of curing cancer, aids, economic recession or global warming. But because there lies an assumption of burden it's easier to just deal and kill?

You want to continue on this line of fantasy...i mean discussion, you should start a new thread.
We are hijacking this one.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

As it should be with the Supreme Court. There should be an equal number of people who feel each way to make sure there is no bias.

Or - and bear with me because this is a wacky idea - instead of two political camps, you put in nine people who will do their best to faithfully interpret the law.

 

[astarath]

Absolutely back to reality. Reality is there is an entire generation of possibilities (fantasies) being eliminated today purely out of the context of it would be too hard.... This is a sad concept for me that we've come so far in our arrogance and lengths for gain and advancement that any burden or sign of slowing down is deemed to hard even at the cost of lives.

 

[Storm]

As it should be with the Supreme Court. There should be an equal number of people who feel each way to make sure there is no bias.

Believe it or not, there is more than a single political issue in this country.

 

[McBell]

Absolutely back to reality. Reality is there is an entire generation of possibilities (fantasies) being eliminated today purely out of the context of it would be too hard.... This is a sad concept for me that we've come so far in our arrogance and lengths for gain and advancement that any burden or sign of slowing down is deemed to hard even at the cost of lives.

Like it or not, that is their legal right.

 

[McBell]

Believe it or not, there is more than a single political issue in this country.

You can't be serious!!
I mean, it ain't like they are doing anything about the same sex marriage issue....

 

[astarath]

That is the point in question the legality has stopped being for what is just and is now a tool for appeasement to lessen the burden and make things easier?

 

[McBell]

Who gets to define 'just'?

 

[pray4me]

Okay, and this is just hypothetical: What if you decide to have an abortion early on and then later you become pregnant and decide to keep the baby. The second child is born with no complications and lives to the age of about five when it's discovered that there is a life debiliating illness which requires a bone marrow transplant. Since the child has no siblings (the baby you aborted might have been a match) she undergoes a non-donor match and it doesn't take. She undergoes the procedure again and it still doesn't take. Your second child dies and all because you didn't want to give birth to your first.

 

[McBell]

Okay, and this is just hypothetical: What if you decide to have an abortion early on and then later you become pregnant and decide to keep the baby. The second child is born with no complications and lives to the age of about five when it's discovered that there is a life debiliating illness which requires a bone marrow transplant. Since the child has no siblings (the baby you aborted might have been a match) she undergoes a non-donor match and it doesn't take. She undergoes the procedure again and it still doesn't take. Your second child dies and all because you didn't want to give birth to your first.

Key point of your whole story has been highlighted

 

[pray4me]

Key point of your whole story has been highlighted

Are you saying that my story is not valid because I said might? I know a woman who said she was considering an abortion because there was a 50-50 chance that this baby might have the same disease his sister was born with but Thank God she didn't because he turned out to be healthy and the only donor match in her family. (They had two older children as well)

 

[Doodlebug02]

I am a liberal Episcopalian. I am also pro-choice. I do not believe that the potential child gets its soul until it breathes its first breath of air. The Bible says that Adam did not have a soul until God breathed the breath of life in to him. Therefore, the Bible associates breathing with having a soul. And you can't murder something that doesn't have a soul so an abortion is not the murdering of an unborn person/child. Therefore, I would have to conclude by saying what I said in the beginning, "I am pro-choice.".

 

[Doodlebug02]

Also, I agree fully with these two articles from the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice:

http://www.rcrc.org/pdf/RCRC_EdSeries_Personhood.pdf

http://www.rcrc.org/pdf/RCRC_EdSeries_Fetus.pdf