You're trans-...what?

[Shadow Wolf]

While I still may harbor some feeling that cultural attitudes may contribute to gender dysphoria......I'm beginning to think otherwise.

I still think there is much deeper elements to the human condition than this dimorphistic thinking of male/female and man/woman gender sense and that cultural attitudes play a huge role but........I don't have the resources to spend at this moment.

It's a bit of complicated subject, to put it lightly, but in a nut-shell it can be said the transsexuals fall more within the normal male/female identities, whereas those who consider themselves bigender, identify with neither, or another one of the "alternative" gender identities is where we really start to see the limits of the male/female dichotomy being broken, and where we get a larger view of the role of culture. Transsexuals receive medical treatment to transition because their identity is "one-or-the-other."
But culture cannot give someone gender dysphoria. We know transsexuals have a "transsexual brain" that more resembles their identified sex than their birth sex, as well as some physical differences (such as how Frank has normal male index/ring finger lengths and I have normal female index/ring finger lengths) and even psychological differences (such as how I indicated earlier that I have many traits of Asperger's that are more typical for women than men).
Really, it's something you could easily spend a semester or two researching, and still have plenty left to go over. But, in a nut-shell, transsexuals aren't the ones pushing the cultural boundaries of gender given they identify as either male or female and receive medical treatment to address the condition of gender dysphoria. If they don't identify as such, there may be pains of being limited by a culture that likes to think of roles as being "black or white," but because such a person does not have a conventional male/female identity, they are the ones to look at when it comes to the cultural implications of gender. We transsexuals are really quite mundane in those regards - the only thing "special" about us is we have the brain of one sex and start with the body of the other. It may also interest you to know that many cultures have more than two genders, and these other genders tend to also have male/female roles, but also places for effeminate men, masculine women, those who don't identify as either, and sometimes even a gender/societal role for those we would call transsexual.

 

[Prestor John]

Recently I've come across three new types of trans identity; trans-age, trans-racial, and trans-species. First let me define these terms, since they can carry multiple interpretations I want to make it clear which I'm referring to. Trans-age refers to a person who believes that they are a different age than their body is and choose to live life as someone of their preferred age. Trans-racial refers to a person who believes that they were born in the wrong skin, essentially (by trans-racial I'm not referring to those who were adopted into a family of a different race and therefore identify as part of that racial group, I'm referring to those who truly believe they were born into the wrong skin color). Trans-species refers to people who believe they are a non-human wrongly born in a human body, commonly referred to as otherkin.

The most problematic aspect of any of these are the legal implications of trans-age. If one claims to be younger than they are, are they bound by the legal restrictions of that age? What if they no longer feel that way? What if someone claims to be older, can a child then gain legal permission to do adult things such as drink and marry?

Are these new identities taking things to far? Do they differ at all from their socially accepted counterparts; mature for your age/childish, fitting in better with a different racial community, and having a spirit animal/feelings spiritually connected to an animal? If so, how? If we choose to legally recognize these identities, how would we adapt the laws? Do you see these identities as legitimate or simply a form of delusion?

I'm not going to answer these questions myself, I'm more interested in what you all think. So, new trans identities; a-ok or no way?

This insanity has all been prophesied by past prophets.

 

[Liu]

This insanity has all been prophesied by past prophets.

You're not giving me a positive impression of those prophets if they make you dig out old discussions to insult people.

(admittedly, some of the identities discussed in this thread do seem quite insane - trans-racism mainly - but they might be misrepresented here)

 

[Prestor John]

You're not giving me a positive impression of those prophets if they make you dig out old discussions to insult people.

(admittedly, some of the identities discussed in this thread do seem quite insane - trans-racism mainly - but they might be misrepresented here)

If you are insulted by ancient prophesy, then you should make some changes.

Before the Lord comes again the world would be filled with such confusions.

We are what we are. No mistakes have been made. People are happy to swallow a lie if it's big enough.

 

[Liu]

If you are insulted by ancient prophesy, then you should make some changes.

Before the Lord comes again the world would be filled with such confusions.

We are what we are. No mistakes have been made. People are happy to swallow a lie if it's big enough.

I'm not feeling insulted, It's very difficult to offend me. But you were calling people insane, which one could consider an insult, which seems like bad PR to me.

I'm transgender and transspecies myself, and while I consider the explanations some people have for such "identities" unconvincing (e.g. literally having the soul of an animal of a different species) the phenomenon in and of itself doesn't seem like a delusion to me.
Nor are at least those two forms of it a new phenomenon.

Since I don't belief in your lord I also see no reason in believing in prophecies related to him.