Zelensky joins Canadian Parliament’s ovation to 98-year-old veteran who fought with Nazis

[lukethethird]

Zelenskyy joins Canadian Parliament's ovation to 98-year-old veteran who fought with Nazis

Yaroslav Hunka was part of SS Galichina, a unit whose history has been whitewashed by veterans groups in the West

forward.com

Nothing surprises me anymore, how about you?

 

[Shaul]

Link doesn't work.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Hilarious irony.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1705953061040964057

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Link doesn't work.

Zelenskyy joins Canadian Parliament's ovation to 98-year-old veteran who fought with Nazis

Yaroslav Hunka was part of SS Galichina, a unit whose history has been whitewashed by veterans groups in the West

forward.com

 

[lukethethird]

Zelenskyy joins Canadian Parliament's ovation to 98-year-old veteran who fought with Nazis

Yaroslav Hunka was part of SS Galichina, a unit whose history has been whitewashed by veterans groups in the West

forward.com

thank you, that link works.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Let's cut through the rhetoric, here.

Are you willing to state, without ambiguity or qualifiers, that you believe Zelenskyy knowingly and deliberately applauded this man, having already known that this man most likely served the Germans in world war 2?

 

[Estro Felino]

Nobody can deny that Auschwitz was built by the IG Farben...which was owned by Warburg, Ford and other financial powers who lived in the US.

The world is divided between wicked and good.
And the wicked can be of any religion or cultural background. Christians, atheists, etc...

 

[Subduction Zone]

Let's cut through the rhetoric, here.

Are you willing to state, without ambiguity or qualifiers, that you believe Zelenskyy knowingly and deliberately applauded this man, having already known that this man most likely served the Germans in world war 2?

Of course not, That would go against his rhetoric:

"In 2023, Hunka made international headlines after he received a standing ovation from the House of Commons of Canada, and was recognized by Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau and Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy. Later, it was revealed Hunka was affiliated with Nazis,[2] and Canadian government officials apologized to the worldwide Jewish - but not Polish or Russian - community.[3] "

Yaroslav Hunka scandal - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A bit more:

"
The Waffen SS and its members were declared a "wholly criminal organization" by the Nuremberg Tribunal in 1946.[15] Nonetheless, the Canadian Commission of Inquiry on War Crimes of October 1986, by the Honourable Justice Jules Deschênes, concluded that in relation to membership in the Galicia Division (SS Galizien):

The Galicia Division (14. Waffen grenadier division der SS [gal. #1]) should not be indicted as a group. The members of Galicia Division were individually screened for security purposes before admission to Canada. Charges of war crimes of Galicia Division have never been substantiated, either in 1950 when they were first preferred, or in 1984 when they were renewed, or before this Commission. Further, in the absence of evidence of participation or knowledge of specific war crimes, mere membership in the Galicia Division is insufficient to justify prosecution.[16]

The commission considered the International Military Tribunal's verdict at the Nuremberg Trials, at which the entire Waffen-SS organisation was declared a "criminal organization" guilty of war crimes.[17] Also, in its conclusion, the Deschênes Commission only referred to the division as 14. Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS (Galizische Nr.1), but rejected such a principle."

It appears that even though he was a member of the SS his activities in it were checked twice., and he was not found to be personally guilty of crimes. When vast number of people are forced into the armed services just being in a unit does not necessarily make one guilty.

 

[ajay0]

This latest blunder has made a lot of headlines...

Canadian Parliament honours man who fought for Nazis. Speaker regrets decision

Canadian lawmakers give a standing ovation to a man introduced as a war hero, later discover he served in Nazi unit.

www.hindustantimes.com

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/24/americas/canada-house-speaker-anthony-rota-nazi-unit-apology/index.html

Canada's House Speaker apologises for praising Ukrainian who fought for Nazis

The House of Commons Speaker apologises for honouring a Ukrainian who served in the Waffen-SS.

www.bbc.com

 

[Debater Slayer]

The speaker of the Canadian House has apologized for the incident, calling it an "oversight":

WASHINGTON, Sept 24 (Reuters) - The speaker of Canada's House of Commons on Sunday apologized for praising an individual at a parliamentary meeting who served in a Nazi unit during World War Two.

Two days earlier, Speaker Anthony Rota had recognized 98-year old Yaroslav Hunka as a "Ukrainian hero" before the Canadian Parliament. Hunka served in World War II as a member of the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS, according to the Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Center, a Jewish human rights group that demanded an apology.

Rota in a statement took responsibility for what was characterized as an oversight, calling the initiative "entirely my own."

"I have subsequently become aware of more information which causes me to regret my decision," he said, adding his "deepest apologies" to Jewish communities.

The recognition came following a visit by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, who thanked Canada for its assistance in his country's war against Russia.

Canada House speaker apologizes for recognition of veteran who fought for Nazis

The speaker of Canada's House of Commons on Sunday apologized for praising an individual at a parliamentary meeting who served in a Nazi unit during World War Two.

www.reuters.com

I would be concerned if Canada had any suggested bills or popular political rhetoric that indicated its politics was influenced by neo-Nazis, but this is not the case at all. Canada is one of the world's most prosperous, diverse, and immigrant-friendly countries. I see no reason to believe that this wasn't a genuine oversight.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Hilarious irony.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1705953061040964057

I clicked on that account and quickly found claims of 2020 "election fraud," a citation of Alex Jones, and an image of the Ukrainian flag partially folding to reveal a swastika behind it. I find the last one in particular disturbing considering that Ukraine is fending off an imperialist invasion and subsequent war crimes, so demonizing the country simply aids the invader by trying to damage the target's reputation.

She seems to be a resentful extremist with a major chip on her shoulder, not a reliable or fair commentator. Even if one were to believe that Zelenskyy himself was somehow a neo-Nazi, I don't see how that would justify the large-scale murder of Ukrainian civilians and the encroachment on a sovereign nation's territory that have occurred so far.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I clicked on that account and quickly found claims of 2020 "election fraud," a citation of Alex Jones, and an image of the Ukrainian flag partially folding to reveal a swastika behind it. I find the last one in particular disturbing considering that Ukraine is fending off an imperialist invasion and subsequent war crimes, so demonizing the country simply aids the invader by trying to damage the target's reputation.

She seems to be a resentful extremist with a major chip on her shoulder, not a reliable or fair commentator.

And if having anything to do with Nazi Germany then would Russia be included with the Ukrainians? WWII might not have even have gotten off the ground if the two did not have their nonaggression pact and an agreement to divide the countries between them. Since a Jewish source started this thread here is another one:

Germany and the Soviet Union sign a non-aggression pact | Anne Frank House

www.annefrank.org

That is only the TLDR version of it. Eventually Germany got worried because it appeared that Russia was being too greedy so Hitler attacked Russia. This is a much more detailed account:

Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If the two never had that agreement then perhaps Germany's early aggression to the east would have been thwarted and we would never have seen the attacks on France and then ultimately the Holocaust. How these people can remember every wrong that Germany and any country associated with it did, but ignore Russia and their role is beyond me.

 

[Estro Felino]

I fail to understand how the Left can be so contradictory.

Anti-Russian Nationalists who in 2014 used to discriminate against Donbas people...in Ukraine, were right,

European Nationalism who just wants Europe to survive, not to be undone...is made up of racists.


Let's acknowledge that in Ukraine there are radical Nationalists who hate Russian-speaking people or people of Russian DNA... and who have been hating them since 2014.

 

[Debater Slayer]

And if having anything to do with Nazi Germany then would Russia be included with the Ukrainians? WWII might not have even have gotten off the ground if the two did not have their nonaggression pact and an agreement to divide the countries between them. Since a Jewish source started this thread here is another one:

Germany and the Soviet Union sign a non-aggression pact | Anne Frank House

www.annefrank.org

That is only the TLDR version of it. Eventually Germany got worried because it appeared that Russia was being too greedy so Hitler attacked Russia. This is a much more detailed account:

Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If the two never had that agreement then perhaps Germany's early aggression to the east would have been thwarted and we would never have seen the attacks on France and then ultimately the Holocaust. How these people can remember every wrong that Germany and any country associated with it did, but ignore Russia and their role is beyond me.

There's much to be said about the misdeeds and atrocities committed by the USSR, but even if one doesn't go that far back in history, there's stuff like this:

Utkin, the Nazi-tattooed commander who gave Wagner its name

A rare photo of the Wagner group's military commander shows a man with a shaved head, a cold stare and the Nazi SS symbol tattooed on both sides of his neck.

france24.com

The commander of the group that was part of the supposed "denazification" of Ukraine had Nazi tattoos himself. Could Putin's pretenses and propaganda have been any clearer?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I fail to understand how the Left can be so contradictory.

Anti-Russian Nationalists who in 2014 used to discriminate against Donbas people...in Ukraine, were right,

European Nationalism who just wants Europe to survive, not to be undone...is made up of racists.


Let's acknowledge that in Ukraine there are radical Nationalists who hate Russian-speaking people or people of Russian DNA...who have been hating them since 2014.

They are not contradictory. No one said that the Ukraine was perfect. The can just recognize obvious immoral aggression and land grabs. I do not think that they are the ones being contradictory.

You do not get to say "This country did this wrong so let's punish them with something ten times worse".

 

[PureX]

More click-bait to feed the willfully uninformed haters.

 

[Estro Felino]

They are not contradictory. No one said that the Ukraine was perfect. The can just recognize obvious immoral aggression and land grabs. I do not think that they are the ones being contradictory.

You do not get to say "This country did this wrong so let's punish them with something ten times worse".

That's great, then.
You acknowledge that there can be bad people among those who legitimately fight for their country, in Ukraine.
Thank you.

Unfortunately there are people who don't do this distinction, as for the Ukrainian War.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's great, then.
You acknowledge that there can be bad people among those who legitimately fight for their country, in Ukraine.
Thank you.

Unfortunately there are people who don't do this distinction, as for the Ukrainian War.

Those that oppose the Russian invasion all seem to know this. I don't think that anyone claimed that the Ukraine was perfect. Russia had no business invading. They are merely trying to reestablish old borders. Look at how Russia and Germany agreed to divide eastern Europe.

 

[Estro Felino]

Those that oppose the Russian invasion all seem to know this. I don't think that anyone claimed that the Ukraine was perfect. Russia had no business invading. They are merely trying to reestablish old borders. Look at how Russia and Germany agreed to divide eastern Europe.

In 2014 Anti-Russian Nationalism was asphyxiating, as this article shows. It grew bigger and bigger.

Ukrainian Students Sell 'Blood of Russian Children' Drinks at School Bake Sale

A group of schoolchildren in southeastern Ukraine has prompted an outcry after selling items with creative names such as "Blood of Russian Children" and "Tanks to Moscow" at a charity bake sale organized to raise funds for Ukrainian troops.

www.themoscowtimes.com

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I clicked on that account and quickly found claims of 2020 "election fraud," a citation of Alex Jones, and an image of the Ukrainian flag partially folding to reveal a swastika behind it. I find the last one in particular disturbing considering that Ukraine is fending off an imperialist invasion and subsequent war crimes, so demonizing the country simply aids the invader by trying to damage the target's reputation.

She seems to be a resentful extremist with a major chip on her shoulder, not a reliable or fair commentator. Even if one were to believe that Zelenskyy himself was somehow a neo-Nazi, I don't see how that would justify the large-scale murder of Ukrainian civilians and the encroachment on a sovereign nation's territory that have occurred so far.

Care to comment on the pictures of neo-Nazi Ukrainian soldiers? Ukraine damages its own reputation. Don't attack someone for bringing it to light just because you disagree with their political views. That's just lazy. I can't believe you haven't heard of the Nazis in the Ukrainian armed forces. Good grief. Maybe you should actually go read about the people you are throwing your support behind and holding up as heroes. If you support the Ukrainian military, you support Hitler loving neo-Nazis. That's who all this money is flowing to. It's very similar to the US arming jihadists in the Middle East, leading to Daesh and similar groups getting US military equipment. This won't be on my conscience, however. I'm voting against those who are robbing me and my fellow taxpayers by the billions to fight a proxy war with Russia. Y'all want to fight Russia? Jump on a plane and travel to the combat zone. Many people do (and get slaughtered). Leave the taxpayers out of it.

Profile: Who are Ukraine’s far-right Azov regiment?

The regiment, which has been accused of neo-Nazi ties, has since been absorbed in the national army.

www.aljazeera.com