Zero Probability of Evolution. Atheism wrong?

[Audie]

People like you make and have enemies. I don't have any.

Dontcha just feel the love radiating from those posts?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Of course I would, but my mother would NOT want me to rape to save someone's life. Absolute morals exist!

Still waiting for the demonstration of that claim.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You can use the most liberal sources you can find, and you will still find thousands of source fragments, MANY more than any other ancient literature piece. Plus, men of letters have quoted nearly the entire New Testament before the 2nd century ended. We could construct the whole New Testament without ANY fragments!

Contemporary accounts matter.

I could quote all of Aristotle's works, but it wouldn't make me a witness to his life.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Apparently most of the people were cowering in the deep darkness from the massive earthquake, HOWEVER, when did a count of witnesses count more than having one faithful witness in a court?

Well let's see. Let's say there are 4 witnesses one day in court. The first one says, "I saw a guy steal a wallet from another guy."
The second one says, "I was walking along by the park, and I saw this one guy pull out a knife, hold it to another guy's throat, and take his wallet."
The third witness says, "I was coming out of my apartment across from the park, and I couldn't see very clearly, but I know I saw the guy in the white shirt steal a wallet from the guy in the brown shirt."
The fourth witness says, "I was swinging on a swing at the park, and I saw a guy steal another guy's wallet, and then all of these zombies rose out of their graves at the cemetery next door and started walking around town."


What could we conclude from this? Was a man's wallet stolen? Did zombies rise from their graves and walk all over town as reported by the fourth witness, and maybe the other 3 witnesses just missed it or something? Or is zombies rising from the grave probably a rather extraordinary event that people may take note of?

Do you tell your partner, YOU DON'T LOVE ME IF ONLY YOU SAY YOU LOVE ME...?

Oops, I already addressed this one. There is evidence of a person's love for another.

 

[Audie]

Still waiting for the demonstration of that claim.

I heard that "rape" is a moral absolute / dont do it.

I am waiting for the answer to whether it would be if its the only
way t o save a million people.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Ah ok, lets see. How about not just one person's life, but
thousands? What then?

What if "rape" is defined as any sex with underage girl.
What if it is at 5 till midnight, legal in the morning?

Moral absolutes rely on daylight savings time?

What if she is unconscious,, will never know she was
raped, and it is to save thousands of lives?

Absolutely wrong, even if a million lives are at stake?

You or I would apologize to the victim, saying "I'm sorry to have to do this horrible, WRONG thing to you..."

Why so desperate to create an absurdity, "rape is cool if it saves 1,000,000 persons" (underscoring just how wrong rape is!) unless you are worried that moral absolutes exist?

 

[BilliardsBall]

Maybe people are suspicious of you?

Been a lot of
bad actors in the preachin' biz, and everyone knows that the louder they preach about sin, the more it is obvious they are talking about themselves.

While I've been attacked for sharing the love of Christ and not hellfire, when did you decide "I brought it on myself when I had objects thrown at me and was threatened with a knife or baseball bat or spat upon for TALKING"?

You are as cruel and unloving as the Bible says hard skeptics are.

 

[BilliardsBall]

I would be interested to know who these people were. Historically, Christians have always been their own worst enemies.

Why--so you can reprove them for threatening me physically for TALKING?

 

[Audie]

You or I would apologize to the victim, saying "I'm sorry to have to do this horrible, WRONG thing to you..."

Why so desperate to create an absurdity, "rape is cool if it saves 1,000,000 persons" (underscoring just how wrong rape is!) unless you are worried that moral absolutes exist?

I am not worried about it. I think it would be absolutely terrif if there was a god and he gave us absolute morality. If wishes was fishes, we'd all eat pie, of somesuch thing.

You wish/ hope there is a god, and that makes it real to you. Does not make it real.

Now, the purpose of the hypothetical is to show you that even rape, (is that like a fav. topic with you?) is not an absolute evil.

You would rape and steal if you thought it was a good idea, right?

There is a very very fuzzy definition to rape, actually, which makes it a poor choice for absolutes.

In the event, you have said that you would commit rape, if the circumstances dictated.

Moral relativism. No absolute there.

Earlier you indicated you would steal if there were a higher purpose.

Moral relativism.

I think we have determined that there is no moral absolute for you.


As for "you or I"

You maybe-

I am mot equipped to do something to apologize for.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Standing on a corner and shouting "my holy book is right and all your holy books are wrong" is supposed to encourage love and good will among men?

Is that what I say?! I was preaching the love of Christ, but if you were there and I said even that, would you excuse assault and battery based on my speaking in public in America?

Shame on you!

 

[BilliardsBall]

So I take it then you don't have any independent corroboration at all of this amazing event? Nobody else but Matthew noticed the zombies?

If independent corroboration is important to you (it is to me) you can disbelieve in the risen dead of the day (although your corroboration would come as an Old Testament prophecy of same).

However, if i.c. is that important, why not trust the Christ, since a dozen NT writers wrote of Him, and even apocrypha write of Him, without any contemporaneous documents against Him, save for Talmud, which says, "Jesus was a bad person who led people down a primrose path by doing miracles"!

 

[BilliardsBall]

People like you make and have enemies. I don't have any.

Have I become your enemy by telling you truth? Apparently, you don't defend my first amendment rights since I'm your non-enemy born again Christian, but you think physical violence may be used against me and is "brought on" when I speak to people.

I think I am your enemy because of how you treat me! Shame!

 

[Audie]

While I've been attacked for sharing the love of Christ and not hellfire, when did you decide "I brought it on myself when I had objects thrown at me and was threatened with a knife or baseball bat or spat upon for TALKING"?

You are as cruel and unloving as the Bible says hard skeptics are.

You feel it is Christian of you to make up words to put in my mouth, and then condemn me as cruel?

And then so charmingly hide behind some quote from the bible.

Unfortunately, it appears that such base and ignoble behaviour is in fact very typical of so many Christians.

You may have thought you were being attacked for
your "love" , but then, others seem able to
talk without being attacked, so it may well be that they
saw-however rightly or wrongly-something in you that
they didnt care for. Your display of "love" in your post
may well be an indicator that I am spot on.

Think not? You had no problem thinking you see in me
something that is in your head, not in mine. And maybe they really did see something, which you did not.

A little reflection on your part seems indicated.

 

[Audie]

Why--so you can reprove them for threatening me physically for TALKING?

Go into a bar and call someone a "N" person, and see if you are threatened for "TALKING".

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

According to Wikipedia the God in more or less serious teachings -- the Superior Being. Most High.

So is wikipedia you new Bible.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Is that what I say?! I was preaching the love of Christ, but if you were there and I said even that, would you excuse assault and battery based on my speaking in public in America?

Shame on you!

The question is what do you mean by "the love of Christ"? If you were preaching the message from the Bible that is not love. Though it is modified by some Christians. Of course there is no excuse for actual assault and battery, but you still might thing about he message that you were spreading.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You or I would apologize to the victim, saying "I'm sorry to have to do this horrible, WRONG thing to you..."

Why so desperate to create an absurdity, "rape is cool if it saves 1,000,000 persons" (underscoring just how wrong rape is!) unless you are worried that moral absolutes exist?

In other words, you'd say to the person, "In most every other situation I can think of, rape is an immoral act. But in this particular situation, it is the moral thing to do. I'm sorry."

Nobody is trying to say rape is cool. Come on, don't do that, you're better than that.
We're trying to help you understand morality/ situational ethics.

 

[ArtieE]

Is that what I say?!

Yes, that is what you say. You're saying "I am right and all of you others who don't believe what I believe are wrong." Shame on you!

 

[ArtieE]

Have I become your enemy by telling you truth?

No, you make enemies if you stand on a street corner and preach that you and your likes are the only ones who are telling the "truth".

Apparently, you don't defend my first amendment rights since I'm your non-enemy born again Christian, but you think physical violence may be used against me and is "brought on" when I speak to people.

That just depends on how condescending you are. I have the truth and you don't is pretty condescending to begin with.

 

[Polymath257]

Is that what I say?! I was preaching the love of Christ, but if you were there and I said even that, would you excuse assault and battery based on my speaking in public in America?

Shame on you!

I don't advocate assault and battery. But I have also seen too many preachers that are 'preaching the love of Christ' while actually condemning everyone who walks by, who denounce the ways people dress, who claim those who disagree are 'tools of the devil', and who are generally jerks.

Now, I am NOT claiming you were a jerk. I wasn't there. But you might ask yourself how you came across to others and if it was reasonable for them to think you were being one.

I have seen cases where a jerk preacher was thrown into the local pond. Again, not something I think was a good thing. But he was hardly blameless in what happened.