Zionists silencing every criticism on the apartheid regime as "anti-Jewism"

[Bunyip]

@Bunyip
Simple is not real jewish. He cant speak for israel . Flanker and others dismissed his claims.

Yeah, I can see that. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[Bunyip]

Saying you are going to kill people who try to kill you is NOT genocide. It is called self defense.

Hamas is not Palestine. Hamas is not Arabia. Hamas is not the population of the West Bank.
And you are wrong. If a red headed person said he was going to kill me, and I responded by wiping redheads off the face of the earth - of course it is genocide, and not self defence.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

What claims?

Sorry bro, but until u proof that u are jewish, its pointless for Bunyib and others to debate with u about israel.

First proof that u are jewish.

 

[Simplelogic]

Hamas is not Palestine. Hamas is not Arabia. Hamas is not the population of the West Bank.
And you are wrong. If a red headed person said he was going to kill me, and I responded by wiping redheads off the face of the earth - of course it is genocide, and not self defence.

72 percent of Arabs in Judea, Gaza and Samaria support the Hamas strategy of using arms to attack Israelis in Judea and Samaria.

 

[Simplelogic]

Sorry bro, but until u proof that u are jewish, its pointless for Bunyib and others to debate with u about israel.

First proof that u are jewish.

haha…I don't need to prove anything to you. Prove to me you are Muslim.

 

[Bunyip]

72 percent of Arabs in Judea, Gaza and Samaria support the Hamas strategy of using arms to attack Israelis in Judea and Samaria.

Your point? 60 years and more of futile negotiations and perpetual conflict has driven Palestinian politics further and further to the extreme right. Hamas is more radical than Fatah, and should negotiations remain stalled for yet another generation even Hamas will be replaced by an even more extremist and dangerous group. The original request that Israel retreat to the original borders and allow Palestinian refugees to return home seems perfectly reasonable to me. It was after all the deal that enabled the establishment of Israel in the first place.

 

[Simplelogic]

Hamas is not Palestine. Hamas is not Arabia. Hamas is not the population of the West Bank.
And you are wrong. If a red headed person said he was going to kill me, and I responded by wiping redheads off the face of the earth - of course it is genocide, and not self defence.

Isn't it funny how Hamas support grows every time the instigate a new war with Israel?

 

[Simplelogic]

Your point?

Can you honestly image 72% of Israel supporting missiles and suicide vest attacks aimed at Gazan civilians???

 

[Bunyip]

Isn't it funny how Hamas support grows every time the instigate a new war with Israel?

No, it grows with every year of futile negotiations. No progress has been made in my lifetime. Neither side is innocent.

 

[Simplelogic]

Your point? 60 years and more of futile negotiations and perpetual conflict has driven Palestinian politics further and further to the extreme right. Hamas is more radical than Fatah, and should negotiations remain stalled for yet another generation even Hamas will be replaced by an even more extremist and dangerous group. The original request that Israel retreat to the original borders and allow Palestinian refugees to return home seems perfectly reasonable to me. It was after all the deal that enabled the establishment of Israel in the first place.

So Israel is the reason for this murderous ideology?

 

[Simplelogic]

No, it grows with every year of futile negotiations. No progress has been made in my lifetime. Neither side is innocent.

I never said Israel was completely innocent. But they definitely don't believe in targeting civilians in Gaza.

 

[Simplelogic]

You don't think these text may have something to do with it?



Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."



Bukhari (52:256) - The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy. This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings.



Bukhari (52:65) - The Prophet said, 'He who fights that Allah's Word, Islam, should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause. Muhammad's words are the basis for offensive Jihad - spreading Islam by force. This is how it was understood by his companions, and by the terrorists of today.



Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with terror'



Abu Dawud (14:2526) - The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist)



Abu Dawud (14:2527) - The Prophet said: Striving in the path of Allah (jihad) is incumbent on you along with every ruler, whether he is pious or impious



Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah



Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally."



Muslim (1:30) - "The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah."



Bukhari (52:73) - "Allah's Apostle said, 'Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords'."



Bukhari (11:626) - [Muhammad said:] "I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes."



Muslim (1:149) - "Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause..."

 

[Bunyip]

Can you honestly image 72% of Israel supporting missiles and suicide vest attacks aimed at Gazan civilians???

In some areas of course I can. The occupied territories for example. You did not give the figures for Palestinians overall - but just for certain segments.

 

[Bunyip]

I never said Israel was completely innocent. But they definitely don't believe in targeting civilians in Gaza.

I didn't say that they did. I just said that there are equally entrenched and extreme views on both sides.

 

[Simplelogic]

In some areas of course I can. The occupied territories for example. You did not give the figures for Palestinians overall - but just for certain segments.

Then why does Hamas gain popularity IN THE WEST BANK every time it attacks Israel???

 

[Simplelogic]

I didn't say that they did. I just said that there are equally entrenched and extreme views on both sides.

So you admit that one side is targeting civilians and one side isn't…correct?

 

[Bunyip]

Then why does Hamas gain popularity IN THE WEST BANK every time it attacks Israel???

How does that question follow?

 

[Bunyip]

So you admit that one side is targeting civilians and one side isn't…correct?

No idea where you got that from.

 

[Simplelogic]

How does that question follow?

Because you are trying to pretend that this ideological hatred only exists on one location.

 

[Bunyip]

Because you are trying to pretend that this ideological hatred only exists on one location.

No, I am most certainly not. That is what you are doing.