Zionists silencing every criticism on the apartheid regime as "anti-Jewism"

[nazz]

What on earth are you talking about? Almost every century of history has displayed a new attempt by man to destroy Jews for no other reason then them being Jewish. And you want to equate this with islamophobia?

Do you even know where islamophobia came from? It was coined by the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD!

"The term “Islamophobia” was invented and promoted in the early 1990s by theInternational Institute for Islamic Thought (IIIT), a front group of the Muslim Brotherhood. Former IIIT member Abdur-Rahman Muhammad -- who was with that organization when the word was formally created, and who has since rejected IIIT's ideology -- now reveals the original intent behind the concept of Islamophobia: “This loathsome term is nothing more than a thought-terminating cliche conceived in the bowels of Muslim think tanks for the purpose of beating down critics.” In short, in its very origins, “Islamophobia” was a term designed as a weapon to advance a totalitarian cause by stigmatizing critics and silencing them."
Politics of "Islamophobia" - Discover the Networks

I have already shown that is not true.

Anyway, "antisemitism" is just a word coined to shut down legitimate criticism of Judaism.

 

[xkatz]

>"Israel is an apartheid state!"
>"I support a two state-solution!"

Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

 

[Simplelogic]

I have already shown that is not true.

Anyway, "antisemitism" is just a word coined to shut down legitimate criticism of Judaism.

riiiiiiight.

 

[nazz]

riiiiiiight.

sauce for the goose...

 

[rosends]

Anyway, "antisemitism" is just a word coined to shut down legitimate criticism of Judaism.

Can you support this claim?
If someone firebombs a synagogue and screams "Die Jew" is this a legitimate form of criticism of Judaism or something else? How about if someone refuses to hire someone because he is Jewish? Legitimate criticism?

How would labeling either of these situations as examples of anti-Semitism shut down criticism of Judaism?

 

[nazz]

Can you support this claim?
If someone firebombs a synagogue and screams "Die Jew" is this a legitimate form of criticism of Judaism or something else? How about if someone refuses to hire someone because he is Jewish? Legitimate criticism?

How would labeling either of these situations as examples of anti-Semitism shut down criticism of Judaism?

Exactly. I'm not being serious but just giving back to those who deny the existence of Islamophobia.

 

[rosends]

Exactly. I'm not being serious but just giving back to those who deny the existence of Islamophobia.

OK, got it. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Simplelogic]

Except the fear of Muslims is a valid one.

 

[rosends]

Except the fear of Muslims is a valid one.

I think this needs linguistic clarification (and this might not be the place for it -- I honestly don't know). Islamophobia -- is it the irrational fear/hatred of Islam as a religion, all Muslims? What exactly? Anti-Semitism is a thinking or bias against a particular people whereas the word "Islamophobia" is built around "Islam" and not a people.

It is a loose coinage, also mentioning the -phobia as opposed to a word indicating bias.

 

[gsa]

I think this needs linguistic clarification (and this might not be the place for it -- I honestly don't know). Islamophobia -- is it the irrational fear/hatred of Islam as a religion, all Muslims? What exactly? Anti-Semitism is a thinking or bias against a particular people whereas the word "Islamophobia" is built around "Islam" and not a people.

It is a loose coinage, also mentioning the -phobia as opposed to a word indicating bias.

Islamophobia, in practice, encompasses both anti-Muslim animus and criticism of the religion, and conflates the two. Comparing skepticism of Islamophobia as a meaningful term to skepticism of anti-Semitism as a meaningful term is dubious at best.

 

[Lyndon]

Irrational hatred of Jews, Irrational hatred of Muslims, sounds like the same thing to me.

 

[Simplelogic]

I think this needs linguistic clarification (and this might not be the place for it -- I honestly don't know). Islamophobia -- is it the irrational fear/hatred of Islam as a religion, all Muslims? What exactly? Anti-Semitism is a thinking or bias against a particular people whereas the word "Islamophobia" is built around "Islam" and not a people.

It is a loose coinage, also mentioning the -phobia as opposed to a word indicating bias.

Agreed. Unfortunately there is plenty of "rational" reasons to fear Muslims. A very large percentage of Muslims believe in the literal interpretation of the Quran and the Hadith when it comes to the glorification of violent jihad. This can't be avoided.

 

[Sees]

I'm surprised people can watch the type of videos as embedded in this thread and think antisemitism and Islamophobia are anything near being alike. Institutionalized gross hatred for all Muslims is definitely an extremely rare thing, if not lacking in existence all together. People will do whatever it takes I guess...

 

[Simplelogic]

I'm surprised people can watch the type of videos as embedded in this thread and think antisemitism and Islamophobia are anything near being alike. Institutionalized gross hatred for all Muslims is definitely an extremely rare thing, if not lacking in existence all together. People will do whatever it takes I guess...

Agreed. Even though there is a perfectly logical reason to be skeptical of Muslim's!!!

 

[rosends]

Irrational hatred of Jews, Irrational hatred of Muslims, sounds like the same thing to me.

except one is built around the group and one around the religion. One is built around "hate" and the other around "fear." How this sounds the same to you escapes me.

 

[CMike]

Apartheid is what israel is doing right now. Killing palestinians and oppressing them, just like europeans did in south africa.

That's just silly.

There are arab muslims who have full Israeli citizenship, can vote, and hold seats in the government.

How many Jews are represented in the West Bank or Gaza arab governments?

In fact how many Jews are represented in the government of any arab middle eastern state,? Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq?

Who actually are implementing apartheid policies again?

 

[CMike]

Apartheid is what israel is doing right now. Killing palestinians and oppressing them, just like europeans did in south africa.

Apartheid means separating groups within the country and not giving them the same rights.

This is demonstrated by the governments of Gaza, the West Bank, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, etc.

Perhaps before you continue throw around baseless accusations you should find out:

1) What do the accusations mean

2) Has Israel actually done it

You might find out things are not what you think they are.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Its still apartheid, no matter how offensive you find it.

Oh, yes - I'm sure a head in the clouds liberal middle-aged white man from the American Southwest knows more about apartheid than anyone else. But please do continue to educate us po' brown folk on what apartheid is and isn't so you can use it as a political smear against a country you don't happen to like (and which is, ironically, probably the only country in the Middle East where your kind of liberal platitudes wouldn't get you into trouble).

 

[Bunyip]

Sadly I think that Zionists see the world divided into only two positions, Zionism and anti-semitism.

 

[rosends]

Sadly I think that Zionists see the world divided into only two positions, Zionism and anti-semitism.

It is OK that you think that.

You are wrong, but that's OK. I mean, I claim you are wrong speaking as an ardent Zionist who does not hold the perspective you ascribe to Zionists thereby undercutting the validity of your assertion.