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Zizek believes atheism is ideological
- Thread starter Absolutely Frank
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That's a strange phrase.
What do you mean?
Stop talking about it?
Nah.
You must accept that I will.
It seems that you want to pin down some absolutes.
Regarding the material world, I can't do that.
I favor methods that best describe & deal with the real world.
The results are always subject to new evidence & improved understandings.
TMI about your doing it "in the end".Yeah, we do it differently in the end.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Evidence that the world is real!
I'll wager that your use of the term "real"
should be clearly defined, lest we get into
another argument caused by definitions.
But at the moment, I'm dealing with the
material world. The "real world" is a term
best used in economics.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
No, you used it as the real world, so the burden is on you to give evidence of that fact that there is a real world
See, that one is on you.
Then I hereby replace in this thread all
uses of the word "real" with "material".
(That'll fix his wagon!)
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
I see a black cat.
I see a material world.
I can explain black and cat with observation. But I can't see neither material nor world. Can you explain how you do it?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I'm not sure if there are thousands of recognized philosophers. And it definitely doesn't include just any believer trying to justify belief.
Complex? Arcane language? The philosopher Robert Nozick used Spock (erroneously) as the model in the thought experiment exploring why emotions make life worth living. Friedrich Nietzsche didn't use arcane language, but he used very powerful metaphors (like the lamb and bird of prey) and was long winded in his form as good German authors are. Michel Foucault wrote about sexuality, prisons, hospitals and mental illness in relation to otherness and how society treats the other (the movie Fight Club is heavily saturated in Foucault's philosophy). Peter Singer is clear enough in his wording that he has pissed off a lot of people with his idea that it would better to abort fetuses with severe deformities and illnesses (he's a deep ecologist).
Sounds more like you're making excuses based on faulty assumptions of what philosophy is.
What's to explain about observing a black cat?
Don't forget that many philosophers are religious.
I'm dissing their over-complicating the simple.
And getting thing outright wrong, eg, the one
mentioned by the OP.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
So how do you observe the material world?
Absolutely Frank
Member
False. Aesthetics and the creative will always trump practical methods, evidence and reason. Aesthetics isn't just some adjunct to knowledge. Aesthetics is the most integral part of knowledge and it requires - no, it demands your attention and personal involvement. Like Nietzsche taught us in order to get things done you are absolutely contingent upon the creative will. There would be no science or technology without creativity or aesthetics. Argue otherwise.
There are many ways to make observations.
Direct with one's own eyes, touching with one's
own hands, microscopes, telescopes, photography,
etc, etc.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
So do the relevant one for the actual material world for the 2 words, material and world. Not something else.
Goodness gracious....you don't just disagree.
You make pronouncements about true & false.
You seem to be mistakenly presuming that dealing
with the material world means eschewing creativity,
aesthetics, emotions, etc.
All those things are part of the material world.
As a design engineer, those were all in my toolkit.
Emotion to inspire, creativity to invent something
new, & aesthetics to guide the design.
Some guy expressing an opinion.
Same as I'm doing.
Ain't none of us gots da THE TRUTH.
I did indeed use the words "material" & "world".
There's something we might agree upon.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Evidence for that: All those things are part of the material world.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
So you haven't given evidence for it so far. Okay, get back to me when you can do that or admit that you can't.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Where did Nietzsche say this? He was an art nerd but I'm having difficulty pinpointing where exactly this quote comes from.There would be no science or technology without creativity or aesthetics. Argue otherwise.
