Why Do Islamic States Persecute Atheists ?

[Deidre]

You mean such kind of apostate within muslim country?


Well the Quran and Hadith states that the apostate who separates from the Jama'ah(muslims) and joins the enemies, is to be killed. Or the apostate that goes against the law and order, publicly calling for disbelief and insults the religion Or calls to uprising. We are talking about warlike apostasy. At the time of prophet pbuh apostates would ofcourse join the enemies(makkan polytheists). So this is treason.

With warlike apostasy i dont mean apostate that challenges muslims in debates on tv aslong it happens in respectful way.
To give example of warlike apostates by naming people i think most cases about ayaan hersi ali, salman rushdi.


However i never agreed with killing peaceful apostates. Muslims who left the religion, they mind their own business by going to church/synagogue/atheistBowling ( ). It goes against Quran and Sunnah.

This might be because I've grown up in a vastly different culture, but I believe that religion has no business in government. It shouldn't be used to control a country's citizens, or be a part of making and enacting laws. People should be free to worship as they wish, anywhere in the world. There should be no wars 'defending' religions. It's just beyond absurd to me. lol Religion should be a private thing, it should help bring a person closer to God, if that is what they wish to do. Even if atheists talk against a particular religion, who cares? It shouldn't rattle someone whose faith is strong. When spirituality becomes a tool to control people with, it loses its beauty and becomes nothing remotely resembling faith. That's just my opinion.

 

[LuisDantas]

You mean such kind of apostate within muslim country?


Well the Quran and Hadith states that the apostate who separates from the Jama'ah(muslims) and joins the enemies, is to be killed. Or the apostate that goes against the law and order, publicly calling for disbelief and insults the religion Or calls to uprising. We are talking about warlike apostasy.

This looks quite a bit more encompassing than I would expect of a peaceful religion.

At the time of prophet pbuh apostates would ofcourse join the enemies(makkan polytheists). So this is treason.

With warlike apostasy i dont mean apostate that challenges muslims in debates on tv aslong it happens in respectful way.
To give example of warlike apostates by naming people i think most cases about ayaan hersi ali, salman rushdi.

What is warlike in Salman Rushdie?

However i never agreed with killing peaceful apostates. Muslims who left the religion, they mind their own business by going to church/synagogue/atheistBowling ( ). It goes against Quran and Sunnah.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

LuisDantas, there is a verse in Quran:
1) and they dont fear the blame of blamers.

My mission is to show true islamic teachings on apostasy, u are free to criticize it, ridicule it or whatsoever.
But i will never compromise on my religion to make it sound better for non-muslims. . Alhamdulilah islam is made complete and i am not someone who appeases others by rejecting some islamic teachings and believing in some.

 

[Marsh]

It would certainly seem to imply that. You would think that a religion that claims it has rational evidence for its position would not fear reasonable debate and discussion on these points, but that doesn't appear to be the case.

Any who believe Mohammed mounted, that is, flew upon a winged horse, are not too keen on assimilating rational evidence.

 

[Marsh]

Interesting to note, I took a look at Wikipedia, and apparently, one can receive the death penalty for practicing atheism, in Saudi Arabia.

Practicing atheism? lol Atheism isn't a religion to be practiced.
^_^

I agree with this sentiment.

I can't help but think that these governments are misinterpreting the teachings of Islam, because forcing religion on others, is against its teachings.

Isn't apostasy punishable by death in Islamic scripture? If so then former Muslims who become atheists are apostates.

 

[Marsh]

I wonder the same.
Yet saudi arabian scholar said its haram to make snowman.

No doubt he was reflecting upon the position of Muslims in Western countries where snowfall permits the building of snowmen. Perhaps he had a concern that Frosty might be mistaken as a representation of Mohammed?

 

[Eliab ben Benjamin]

Perhaps he sees "Frosty" as an Idol ....

 

[Marsh]

Can you imagine waking up everyday...and what guides your day is anger, hate and seeking to punish others? It would be exhausting and a sad way to live. I can't believe in 2015, there are STILL countries in the world, who govern that way, and/or support extremist groups who are 'motivated' by that way of life. So sad.

I think of the people within ISIS, who could be using all of their talents and energies to do good in the world, but instead are brainwashed and motivated by hate. It's just so horribly sad.

You are truly a kind person Deidre. I wish everyone could look at life as you do.

 

[Marsh]

Perhaps he sees "Frosty" as an Idol ....

Perhaps, but there are few representations of art within modern Islamic culture. I imagine this mullah perceives snowmen as a slippery slope.

 

[Marsh]

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Perhaps he sees "Frosty" as an Idol ....

Perhaps, but there are few representations of art within modern Islamic culture. I imagine this mullah perceives snowmen as a slippery slope.

Further to that, as part of my genealogical research I was reading a letter to the editor that I found in an 1890s newspaper. It was written by a Protestant minister who was critical of the proposed selling of milk on Sundays in his community. In his view this was a slippery slope. Where would it stop? he asked. Indeed, in retrospect he was probably right. Perhaps the mullah has similar concerns. Making snowmen might only be the beginning. Ice sculptures might follow, and who knows what else. I recognize the possible reasoning behind his concern; I just can't sympathize with it. Art has been a very important part of my own life, and I encourage all to participate.

 

[Eliab ben Benjamin]

Yes i can understand that view, though i like my corner dairy open on Sunday to buy milk..
however i would never imagine shopping on Shabbat .....
not that i would wish to prevent others who do not share my beliefs ....

I like art too, and literature, and particularly Sci Fi.

 

[PErSiAn]

i don't know about other countries but in Iran atheists live freely like muslims, and they even have a political party named " reformism ( eslaah talab ) " . they even ruled the government back in 1997-2005. even half of the present cabinet of government is full of them.
though they are not so wanted because of the lack of courage they show in international politics.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

i don't know about other countries but in Iran atheists live freely like muslims, and they even have a political party named " reformism ( eslaah talab ) " . they even ruled the government back in 1997-2005. even half of the present cabinet of government is full of them.
though they are not so wanted because of the lack of courage they show in international politics.

That seems a particularly rosy way of describing the political party system in Iran, and an interesting way of defining 'atheists'.
How many atheists are on either the Guardian Council, or the Assembly of Experts? What role do these play in the legitimization of governmental officials?
How would you reconcile the founding principles of the Constitution with atheism?
How would you reconcile the fact that the Constituion not only dictates Islam as the State religion, but further makes this an unalterable truth, even by referendum, which would be unlikely to the point of impossibility in any case, given the requirements re: holding office for those who would make decisions to this end.

 

[DawudTalut]

In Egypt, a man was sentenced to three years in prison for calling himself an atheist on Facebook. In the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, a growth in atheism has resulted in a state backlash, with a liberal blogger lashed for calling for religious toleration.

If there is no compulsion in Islam, why do Islamic states react so violently to atheism? What do they have to fear if Islam is true?

Peace be on you.

NO COMPULSION
[2:257] There should be no compulsion in religion. Surely, right has become distinct from wrong; so whosoever refuses to be led by those who transgress, and believes in Allah, has surely grasped a strong handle which knows no breaking. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.

[11:119] And if thy Lord had enforced His will, He would have surely made mankind one people; but they would not cease to differ,

[10:100] And if thy Lord had enforced His will, surely, all who are on the earth would have believed together. Wilt thou, then, force men to become believers?



HOLY PROPHET - NOT COMPELER
[88:22] Admonish, therefore, for thou art but an admonisher;

[88:23] Thou hast no authority to compel them.

[25:57] And We have not sent thee but as a bearer of glad tidings and a Warner.

[25:58] Say, ‘I ask of you no recompense for it, save that whoso chooses may take a way unto his Lord.’


MATTER IS HAND OF GOD
[88:24] But whoever turns away and disbelieves,
[88:25] Allah will punish him with the greatest punishment.



CHOICE IN WORLD
[76:4] We have shown him the Way, whether he be grateful or ungrateful.

[18:30] And say, ‘It is the truth from your Lord; wherefore let him who will, believe, and let him who will, disbelieve.’ Verily, We have prepared for the wrongdoers a fire whose flaming canopy shall enclose them. And if they cry for help, they will be helped with water like molten lead which will burn the faces. How dreadful the drink, and how evil is the Fire as a resting place!



PROTECTION
[9:6] And if anyone of the idolaters ask protection of thee, grant him protection so that he may hear the word of Allah; then convey him to his place of security. That is because they are a people who have no knowledge.



REPEATED CHOICE
[4:138] Those who believe, then disbelieve, then again believe, then disbelieve, and then increase in disbelief, Allah will never forgive them nor will He guide them to the way.


The compulsion is sign of weaknesses which found their ways in faith.

To remove these weaknesses, Promised reformer was promised to come and he has come. His Khalifah Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad (a.t.) said:

“The Promised Messiah came to enlighten the world about the true beauty of Islam. He came to do a Jihad against every single form of cruelty, oppression and all forms of compulsion. He came to teach mankind the need to fulfil each other’s due rights. He came to spread love and compassion and to transform the world into a haven of peace, unity and mutual brotherhood. This was his mission and this was his message.”
Source link: Reception held to mark Inauguration of Maryam Mosque in Galway | Islam Ahmadiyya

 

[gsa]

Well the Quran and Hadith states that the apostate who separates from the Jama'ah(muslims) and joins the enemies, is to be killed.... Or the apostate that goes against the law and order, publicly calling for disbelief and insults the religion Or calls to uprising. We are talking about warlike apostasy.

With warlike apostasy i dont mean apostate that challenges muslims in debates on tv aslong it happens in respectful way.
To give example of warlike apostates by naming people i think most cases about ayaan hersi ali, salman rushdi.

Just to be clear, you think that Ayaan Hirshi Ali and Salman Rushdie should be killed? For apostasy? Specifically, not for committing any violent acts, but for criticizing Islam?

 

[averageJOE]

I reckon it has more to do with politics than with the religion itself.

Being that Saudi Arabia is a theocracy their politics and religion are the same thing.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Just to be clear, you think that Ayaan Hirshi Ali and Salman Rushdie should be killed? For apostasy? Specifically, not for committing any violent acts, but for criticizing Islam?

We dont agree on this.
According to u they are merely criticizing. According to me and many muslims they commit treason and call for destruction of islam (not peaceful apostates).

With such kind of warlike apostasy u can choose force them into exile or execution.

 

[gsa]

We dont agree on this.
According to u they are merely criticizing. According to me and many muslims they commit treason and call for destruction of islam (not peaceful apostates).

With such kind of warlike apostasy u can choose force them into exile or execution.

So calling for Muslims to become secular and abandon Islam is equivalent to calling for the "destruction" of Islam, sufficient to justify execution or banishment?

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

So calling for Muslims to become secular and abandon Islam is equivalent to calling for the "destruction" of Islam, sufficient to justify execution or banishment?

They should be able to criticize it.
But what ayaan did was unforgivable unless she repents.
Quranic verses on female body, insulting the prophet pbuh. These are dangerous forms of apostasy. It spreads like virus. I dont see how the acts of ayaan and rushdi can be called peaceful apostasy and peaceful debates.

 

[gsa]

They should be able to criticize it.
But what ayaan did was unforgivable unless she repents.
Quranic verses on female body, insulting the prophet pbuh. These are dangerous forms of apostasy. It spreads like virus. I dont see how the acts of ayaan and rushdi can be called peaceful apostasy and peaceful debates.

They are non-violent critiques. She is quite harsh (I'm not sure what you think he did that even warrants discussion), but so what?

Islam can't handle criticism from an ex-Muslim female critic? Without murdering her, that is?