Koran dated to before Muhamad birth.

[paarsurrey]

And do not say, regarding anything, 'I am going to do that tomorrow

I have not seen your further input in the matter.
Regards

 

[FearGod]

Type 2 diabetes and thyroid issues are linked as well as treatment of it. Studies have proven this

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2448803/
http://www.thyroid.org/patient-thyroid-information/ct-for-patients/vol-6-issue-8/vol-6-issue-8-p-3/
https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/meds/a611003.html
http://spectrum.diabetesjournals.org/content/19/3/148.full

You expected a number you did not actually voice. You unstated expectation is not an excuse. You could do your own research on the Tang dynasty if you wanted to. However you can not be bothered to challenge your bias and religious rhetoric.

 

[FearGod]

The idea of the universe from nothing is a theist strawman. Your question has no merit.





You confuse black holes with the proposed, but not proven, singularity prior to the Big Bang and inflation period. You also confuse the Big Bang with the start of the universe when it is the start of inflation.

 

[Shad]

Face palm yourself for talking about an idea you have no knowledge of. You wouldn't make basic mistakes if you refrained from speaking or if you learned what the theory actually was.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Instead of face palming all the time you could do something constructive and show Shad why they are wrong. But you probably can't even do that.

 

[Augustus]

I just want to make a correction.

Following is the list of Chapters/Verses of Quran in the order the scanned pages have been provided by
http://www.muslimworldjournal.com/2015/07/1400-year-old-quran-scans-released/:
1. The Holy Quran : Chapter 19: Maryam مَریَم
19:92-97
2. The Holy Quran : Chapter 20: TaHa طٰه
20:1-40
3. The Holy Quran : Chapter 4: Al-Nisa' النِّسَاء
4:154-177
4. The Holy Quran : Chapter 5: Al-Ma'idah المَائدة
5:1-28
5. The Holy Quran : Chapter 6: Al-An`am الاٴنعَام
6:76-123
6. The Holy Quran : Chapter 18: Al-Kahf الکهف
18:18-32
7. The Holy Quran : Chapter 6: Al-An`am الاٴنعَام
6:123-143
8. The Holy Quran : Chapter 4: Al-Nisa' النِّسَاء
4:142-153
9. The Holy Quran : Chapter 4: Al-Nisa' النِّسَاء
4:130-141

Regards

Thanks for identifying the scans, I can't read Arabic.

Just for clarification though, there were 2 older manuscript sheets stored amongst a larger number of newer manuscript sheets. They look similar though, that is why the older text was undiscovered for so long. The 2 older sheets were thought to be the same age as the rest of the manuscript until what was just discovered.

The 2 that were potentially dated as the 'oldest Quran' related to parts of Surahs 18-20 Al-Kahf, Maryam and Ta-Ha.

Some scans relate to the 'newer' manuscript pages that are still ancient but not considered part of the 'oldest Quran'.

 

[FearGod]

Instead of face palming all the time you could do something constructive and show Shad why they are wrong. But you probably can't even do that.

Why i have to waste my time for such nonsense, he said that Zhen Qian treated diabetes by the thyroid extracts which is
absolutely wrong as he treated goiter by the thyroid extract and not diabetes, but instead that he accepts his mistake he said
that i speak with no knowledge and that better for me not to speak at all.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Why i have to waste my time for such nonsense, he said that Zhen Qian treated diabetes by the thyroid extracts which is
absolutely wrong as he treated goiter by the thyroid extract and not diabetes, but instead that he accepts his mistake he said
that i speak with no knowledge and that better for me not to speak at all.

At least Shad has bothered to furnish you with links showing a reliable connection between type 2 diabetes and thyroid problems. Or do you think you know better than the American Diabetes Association on the subject of diabetes? What have you offered to prove him wrong? Nothing at all but empty claims. Same goes for your rather facile responses to Shad's explanation of the difference between a black hole and the state of the Universe pre-Big Bang.

 

[FearGod]

At least Shad has bothered to furnish you with links showing a reliable connection between type 2 diabetes and thyroid problems. Or do you think you know better than the American Diabetes Association on the subject of diabetes? What have you offered to prove him wrong? Nothing at all but empty claims. Same goes for your rather facile responses to Shad's explanation of the difference between a black hole and the state of the Universe pre-Big Bang.

As i said to you such discussion will be a waste of time, actually the type 2 diabetes patients have a higher prevalence of thyroid disorders
and his links has nothing to do with his wrong idea that the thyroid extract is used to treat diabetes.

 

[paarsurrey]

Thanks for identifying the scans, I can't read Arabic.

Just for clarification though, there were 2 older manuscript sheets stored amongst a larger number of newer manuscript sheets. They look similar though, that is why the older text was undiscovered for so long. The 2 older sheets were thought to be the same age as the rest of the manuscript until what was just discovered.

The 2 that were potentially dated as the 'oldest Quran' related to parts of Surahs 18-20 Al-Kahf, Maryam and Ta-Ha.

Some scans relate to the 'newer' manuscript pages that are still ancient but not considered part of the 'oldest Quran'.

Do you mean that <1. The Holy Quran : Chapter 19: Maryam مَریَم
19:92-97
2. The Holy Quran : Chapter 20: TaHa طٰه
20:1-40> are considered separate from the other?

And that<
3. The Holy Quran : Chapter 4: Al-Nisa’ النِّسَاء
4:154-177
4. The Holy Quran : Chapter 5: Al-Ma’idah المَائدة
5:1-28
5. The Holy Quran : Chapter 6: Al-An`am الاٴنعَام
6:76-123
6. The Holy Quran : Chapter 18: Al-Kahf الکهف
18:18-32
7. The Holy Quran : Chapter 6: Al-An`am الاٴنعَام
6:123-143
8. The Holy Quran : Chapter 4: Al-Nisa’ النِّسَاء
4:142-153
9. The Holy Quran : Chapter 4: Al-Nisa’ النِّسَاء
4:130-141> are found now together in a bunch and are focus of discussion these days.
Please identify distinctively and clearly "older manuscript sheets" from the "newer manuscript sheets"
Where did you get all that information? Is it accessible to me? If, yes, please provide the link.
Regards

 

[Augustus]

Do you mean that <1. The Holy Quran : Chapter 19: Maryam مَریَم
19:92-97
2. The Holy Quran : Chapter 20: TaHa طٰه
20:1-40> are considered separate from the other?

And that<
3. The Holy Quran : Chapter 4: Al-Nisa’ النِّسَاء
4:154-177
4. The Holy Quran : Chapter 5: Al-Ma’idah المَائدة
5:1-28
5. The Holy Quran : Chapter 6: Al-An`am الاٴنعَام
6:76-123
6. The Holy Quran : Chapter 18: Al-Kahf الکهف
18:18-32
7. The Holy Quran : Chapter 6: Al-An`am الاٴنعَام
6:123-143
8. The Holy Quran : Chapter 4: Al-Nisa’ النِّسَاء
4:142-153
9. The Holy Quran : Chapter 4: Al-Nisa’ النِّسَاء
4:130-141> are found now together in a bunch and are focus of discussion these days.

Where did you get all that information? Is it accessible to me? If, yes, please provide the link.
Regards

"Consisting of two parchment leaves, the Qur’an manuscript contains parts of Suras (chapters) 18 to 20, written with ink in an early form of Arabic script known as Hijazi. For many years, the manuscript had been misbound with leaves of a similar Qur’an manuscript, which is datable to the late seventh century."

http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/news/latest/2015/07/quran-manuscript-22-07-15.aspx

 

[paarsurrey]

Augustus said: ↑
And do not say, regarding anything, 'I am going to do that tomorrow

Thanks for identifying the scans, I can't read Arabic.
Just for clarification though, there were 2 older manuscript sheets stored amongst a larger number of newer manuscript sheets. They look similar though, that is why the older text was undiscovered for so long. The 2 older sheets were thought to be the same age as the rest of the manuscript until what was just discovered.
The 2 that were potentially dated as the 'oldest Quran' related to parts of Surahs 18-20 Al-Kahf, Maryam and Ta-Ha.
Some scans relate to the 'newer' manuscript pages that are still ancient but not considered part of the 'oldest Quran'.

I am waiting for your further input, or I will write something about inner evidence of the verses of the manuscript.

Regards

 

[Augustus]

Augustus said: ↑
And do not say, regarding anything, 'I am going to do that tomorrow



I am waiting for your further input, or I will write something about inner evidence of the verses of the manuscript.

Regards

"And do not say, regarding anything, 'I am going to do that tomorrow,' (23)but only, 'If God will'; and mention thy Lord, when thou forgettest, and say, 'It may be that my Lord will guide me unto something nearer to rectitude than this.')"

Apparently God willed that people should start talking about black holes and type 2 diabetes so I sort of lost interest in the thread.

I can't even remember what i was saying earlier on except talking about the late antique context of some of the material. Al-Kahf and Maryam contain some of the clearest examples of the Quran reflecting the environment of Arabia in late antiquity.

What is it that you wish to discuss?

 

[outhouse]

What is it that you wish to discuss?

Good luck with that.

he stays on my ignore for refusal to discuss real history

 

[paarsurrey]

"And do not say, regarding anything, 'I am going to do that tomorrow,' (23)but only, 'If God will'; and mention thy Lord, when thou forgettest, and say, 'It may be that my Lord will guide me unto something nearer to rectitude than this.')"

Apparently God willed that people should start talking about black holes and type 2 diabetes so I sort of lost interest in the thread.

I can't even remember what i was saying earlier on except talking about the late antique context of some of the material. Al-Kahf and Maryam contain some of the clearest examples of the Quran reflecting the environment of Arabia in late antiquity.

What is it that you wish to discuss?

Meantime I have found out the place where more information is available, namely:
FAQs
About the Birmingham Qur’an manuscript

What is the Birmingham Qur'an manuscript?Open all sections
How old is the manuscript?
Is it the oldest in the world?
How did the manuscript come to be in Birmingham?
How did the discovery come to light?
What are the origins of the manuscript?
Are there any articles published about the manuscript?
About the parchment and ink

What is the manuscript made of?
What is the radiocarbon dating result?
Do you have any information about the ink?

Is the manuscript a palimpsest?
About the Mingana Collection

What is the Mingana Collection?
Who was Alphonse Mingana?
Who was Edward Cadbury?
What is the Cadbury Research Library?
Are there any other early Qur’an manuscripts in the Mingana Collection?
About the exhibition

When and where is the exhibition?
Do I need to book?
Can I bring a school group to see the manuscript?
Is the exhibition free?

http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/events/quran-manuscript/faqs.aspx
The above topics are in a collapsed form, and by clicking these expand to more information.

Since this thread has gone into other topics/discussion, I will open another thread and reference it here also.
Thanks and regards

 

[paarsurrey]

A more clear and beautiful view of the manuscript is available at

Collections: Mingana - Islamic Arabic - Islamic Arabic 1572a
[al-Qurʼān] Two leaves from a Hijazi Qurʼān containing verses from Surah 18 (Al-Kahf, ‘The Cave’), verses 17–23; Surah 19 (Maryam, ‘Mary’), verses 91–98; and Surah 20 (Ta-Ha, 'Ta-Ha'), verses 1–40. Probably mid-7th century.
http://vmr.bham.ac.uk/Collections/M...na_Islamic_Arabic_1572a_folio_1_verso/viewer/

Regards

 

[Shad]

Why i have to waste my time for such nonsense, he said that Zhen Qian treated diabetes by the thyroid extracts which is
absolutely wrong as he treated goiter by the thyroid extract and not diabetes, but instead that he accepts his mistake he said
that i speak with no knowledge and that better for me not to speak at all.

Ultimate your point is irrelevant as you focus on my mistake in order to ignore the man did do something for the world. His treatment is still used today. His treatment was develop centuries before anyone else figured it out. In the end I could still name a person that had an impact on the world even if I got the details wrong.

Also take note that you can do your own research so at anytime you could have researched the Tang dynasty yourself. Instead you had to wait for me to mention a name in order to be motivated to do any work yourself. Which hits on my point that you are lazy unless motivated by an external influence.

 

[paarsurrey]

The other Hijazi manuscript in Birmingham University:
Collections: Mingana - Islamic Arabic - Islamic Arabic 1572b
[al-Qurʼān] Seven leaves from a Hijazi Qurʼān containing verses from Surah 4 (An-Nisa, 'The Women'), verses 129–175; Surah 5 (al-Mā'idah, 'The Table'), verses 1–27; Surah 6 (al-An'ām, 'The Cattle'), verses 74–143. Probably late 7th century.
http://vmr.bham.ac.uk/Collections/M...na_Islamic_Arabic_1572b_folio_1_recto/viewer/

Regards

 

[FearGod]

A more clear and beautiful view of the manuscript is available at

Collections: Mingana - Islamic Arabic - Islamic Arabic 1572a
[al-Qurʼān] Two leaves from a Hijazi Qurʼān containing verses from Surah 18 (Al-Kahf, ‘The Cave’), verses 17–23; Surah 19 (Maryam, ‘Mary’), verses 91–98; and Surah 20 (Ta-Ha, 'Ta-Ha'), verses 1–40. Probably mid-7th century.
http://vmr.bham.ac.uk/Collections/M...na_Islamic_Arabic_1572a_folio_1_verso/viewer/

Regards

Amazing that such manuscript survived and appeared in our days.

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
I am waiting for your further input, or I will write something about inner evidence of the verses of the manuscript.

Regards

"And do not say, regarding anything, 'I am going to do that tomorrow,' (23)but only, 'If God will'; and mention thy Lord, when thou forgettest, and say, 'It may be that my Lord will guide me unto something nearer to rectitude than this.')"

Apparently God willed that people should start talking about black holes and type 2 diabetes so I sort of lost interest in the thread.

I can't even remember what i was saying earlier on except talking about the late antique context of some of the material. Al-Kahf and Maryam contain some of the clearest examples of the Quran reflecting the environment of Arabia in late antiquity.

What is it that you wish to discuss?

I have started a new thread <Birmingham University manuscript of Quran: Who could have written/dictated the following verses?>, to access the same one may click post #1.
Regards