The "only true religion"

[Muffled]

The "only true religion"

No other religion except Islam (Post #179 above) claims perfection, provides reasons to such claim from its scripture, and that it is for the whole humanity; not even Atheism. Right? Please
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I believe perfect does not equate to true. It usually means in a finished and acceptable state. That does not mean that it is the compendium of all truth and I believe it only relates to Arabs of the 7th century in many of its laws.

 

[paarsurrey]

I believe perfect does not equate to true. It usually means in a finished and acceptable state. That does not mean that it is the compendium of all truth and I believe it only relates to Arabs of the 7th century in many of its laws.

It is complete, perfect and truthful:

[9:33]He it is Who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth, that He may make it prevail over everyotherreligion, even though the idolaters may dislikeit.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=9&verse=24​

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[LuisDantas]

The "only true religion"

No other religion except Islam (Post #179 above) claims perfection, provides reasons to such claim from its scripture, and that it is for the whole humanity; not even Atheism. Right? Please
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"Not even atheism"?
Atheism does not even attempt to go anywhere near that. Nor is it at all a religion, either.

As for other religions that do make such claims, we have Christianity and the Bahai Faith at the very least.

 

[paarsurrey]

"Not even atheism"?
Atheism does not even attempt to go anywhere near that. Nor is it at all a religion, either.
As for other religions that do make such claims, we have Christianity and the Bahai Faith at the very least.

They don't have both the claims and reason in their scripture in so many words.
Atheism is already out as one has confirmed.
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[LuisDantas]

They don't have both the claims and reason in their scripture in so many words.

I am willing to bet that they do not agree.

Atheism is already out as one has confirmed.
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Atheism never entered the circuit, nor did it mean to.

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
They don't have both the claims and reason in their scripture in so many words.

I am willing to bet that they do not agree.

They don't have both the claim and reason in their scripture. They put it from their own selves.
The Atheism just demolish the already available set-ups , never constructing anything positive in their place.
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[LuisDantas]

paarsurrey said: ↑
They don't have both the claims and reason in their scripture in so many words.

They don't have both the claim and reason in their scripture. They put it from their own selves.

I don't necessarily agree. But if I did, that would put them ahead of Islam.

The Atheism just demolish the already available set-ups , never constructing anything positive in their place.
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Sorry that you feel that way, among other reasons because you are very much misjudging atheism. It opens the way for some much-needed attitudes.

In any case, you shouldn't focus so much on atheism proper. The lack of need for God is far more significant and precious.

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
They don't have both the claims and reason in their scripture in so many words.
They don't have both the claim and reason in their scripture. They put it from their own selves.

I don't necessarily agree. But if I did, that would put them ahead of Islam.

Please go ahead and please quote in unequivocal terms their religious claim and reason both of them in this connection from their scripture mentioned by the founder of their religion. I don't mind, if they go ahead of Islam. Why should deny a merit if they have it? Please
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[LuisDantas]

You misunderstood me.

Far as I am concerned, relying so much in scripture is a flaw, not a merit. For any religion.

 

[paarsurrey]

You misunderstood me.
Far as I am concerned, relying so much in scripture is a flaw, not a merit. For any religion.

I must say normal reliance on Word of G-d is essential in ethical, moral and spiritual realms as it is a merit not a flaw. Similarly in secular matters one should rely in normal reasoning and should avoid blind faith as far as one can.

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[LuisDantas]

I must say normal reliance on Word of G-d is essential in ethical, moral and spiritual realms as it is a merit not a flaw.

Many people seem to agree with you in that respect.

I can't claim to understand how that came to be. It is so patently at odds with the observable facts.

Similarly in secular matters one should rely in normal reasoning and should avoid blind faith as far as one can.

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Similarly? Isn't that instead a contrast?

 

[Muffled]

It is complete, perfect and truthful:

[9:33]He it is Who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth, that He may make it prevail over everyotherreligion, even though the idolaters may dislikeit.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=9&verse=24​

Regards

9:32 ¶ Fain would they extinguish Allah’s Light with their mouths, but Allah will not allow but that His Light should be perfected, even though the Unbelievers may detest it

I believe In Ali's translation there is nothing about a messenger or prevailing over other religions. I believe this is fantasy on the part of some Muslims.

 

[Muffled]

"Not even atheism"?
Atheism does not even attempt to go anywhere near that. Nor is it at all a religion, either.

As for other religions that do make such claims, we have Christianity and the Bahai Faith at the very least.

I believe Christians do not claim perfection but we do claim to have the one who is The Way, The Truth and The Life.

 

[Muffled]

They don't have both the claims and reason in their scripture in so many words.
Atheism is already out as one has confirmed.
Regards

I believe you are mistaking perfection for truth. Something may be perfectly deceiving. Also perfection may simply refer to a religion for a small group of people (Arabs) whereas it would not fit antoher community and certainly would not be helpful to a Christian community. Christians do have a claim to truth. We follow the way the truth and the life.

 

[paarsurrey]

I believe after about 12,000 years you will be released into a tempoaral sinful world to try again to get it right.

On what basis?
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[Muffled]

On what basis?
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I believe in the love of God for His creation. Think about it. If God is going to go to a period of time where He rules and bad guys are left out then why didn't He just start out that way and not have us go through this period where those who are evil are allowed to live as they wish?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I believe in the love of God for His creation. Think about it. If God is going to go to a period of time where He rules and bad guys are left out then why didn't He just start out that way and not have us go through this period where those who are evil are allowed to live as they wish?

IOW, why does God act like he isn't there at all?

I have one possible answer to that.

 

[Mackerni]

Three questions here...

1. Do you believe the religion you have chosen to be the only "true" religion?
2. If the answer to question #1 is "yes," what exactly does that mean to you?
3. If the answer to question #1 is "yes," what do you believe will be the fate of those who do not share your beliefs?

1. I believe the faith I have, the Faith of Exaltation, will eventually be regarded as the goal of all humankind. I am just ahead of the curb.
2. It means I have a way of viewing things that doesn't involve silly unexplainable phenomena. Everything I believe is completely evident through the course of modern and even ancient history.
3. They will be the same as mine ... and not. They will receive what they want, I will get what I want, we will live separate realities as we do now, only to a stronger degree. Everything is possible.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I must say normal reliance on Word of G-d is essential in ethical, moral and spiritual realms as it is a merit not a flaw. Similarly in secular matters one should rely in normal reasoning and should avoid blind faith as far as one can.

Regards

Ethics and morals ARE secular matters.