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Who Would This Person Be Within Hinduism

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
What makes you think that Muslims necessarily don't understand this topic?
Sorry, should've included the words, 'not all' to be specific; as there are people with all sorts of knowledge...

It is just on years of speaking with Muslim friends in chat rooms, used to seeing these same aspects get misunderstood many times. ;)
the wonderful diversity
You're saying to someone who has spent their life studying all religions.
dualism and monism are essentially the same thing.
It all depends on perspective, if we go down to a quantum level, it is all just code, therefore there are no dimensions, so we're already inside of Brahman; yet when we apply the Matrix/Maya, it creates levels of illusion. :innocent:
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
It all depends on perspective, if we go down to a quantum level, it is all just code, therefore there are no dimensions, so we're already inside of Brahman; yet when we apply the Matrix/Maya, it creates levels of illusion.

One cannot go literally and physically inside G-d, the world in which we life is His creation. sorry. one is wrong again. Please

Regards
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
You're saying to someone who has spent their life studying all religions.

And yet you admitted some time back to a poor understanding of Hinduism, and have consistently demonstrated your poor understanding of Hinduism. Dualism and monism will be 'eternally' different perspectives. Both are contained in Hinduism, and as far as I know only dualism is in Abrahamic thinking. I use 'eternal' metaphorically. Have you ever even been to a Hindu temple? I've challenged you to explain anything at all time and again, yet all you can do is say the same old thing ... at some quantum level, its all the same. Try explaining karma, bhakti, charya, anything, explain your understanding of it. I agree with that but putting that into this mundane level of words and thoughts is just simplistic neo-advaita, and essentially useless to any adherent anywhere.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
One cannot go literally and physically inside G-d, the world in which we life is His creation. sorry. one is wrong again. Please

Regards
Parsurrey, nobody is wrong. We just have differing perspectives. When looking at a tree, some people see leaves, some people see the bark, and a carpenter sees a finished piece of furniture. It's just perspective, or a different way of looking at things. I don't think you're wrong at all. It's not about being right or wrong.
 

Nyingjé Tso

Dharma not drama
Vanakkam

What does studying means ?. Does it has or gives anything by itself ?

You can study anything you want for 12 years behind à computer screen, sure.

Does that means it gives you understanding of anything about it ?

What brings understanding ?
Reading things for years and one day you conclude that you get it ?

I tell you what can bring to understand.
Go to mandir and watch, then you might understand.

I Will never say that I understand Judaism if I did not hear thé Torah in à synagogue, or eat thé Pessar meal.
Hundreds of years of reading Will never make me understand Islam, until I have seen à muslim pray, celebrated Eid with à muslim family.
I can go on, and on and on.
It is feeling, it is understanding, it means getting out of our precious comfort zone to open and bring yourself to this- understanding, not bringing whatever you tey to understand to you and adapting it to your wishes or thinking, Not behind books or computers.

Don't speak about divine encounter or knowledge. What would be gained in knowing the answer, if it robs you of the journey ? Everyday I thank my Lord from the bottom of my heart: He did not gave me an answer I did not need, He gave me the way to attain it, it is there, by end of the road of those countless lives I Will live. And each rock I Will trip on this- roadWill, each Soul I Will hold hands with and do bit of walk with, all these be the only teaching I'll ever need.
If you think you know it all, I am sad to see you robbed of all these.

Just let us walk.

Aum namah Shivaya
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Vanakkam

What does studying means ?. Does it has or gives anything by itself ?

You can study anything you want for 12 years behind à computer screen, sure.


Just let us walk.

Aum namah Shivaya

Really insightful, Jaya. A dharmic perspective. It seems to me some people equate saying they understand with actually understanding. As you venture out on your teaching career (maybe you have already, and I'm just unaware) its always important to keep this in mind. Students will tell you all day long that they understand. Then when you give them a test, the truth comes out. Teachers understand this all too well.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Your view only, and it comes from a false assumption of some vague 'concept' you have regarding 'unity'.
Oneness isn't a vague concept of unity, it is that within my own NDE, in the center of all consciousness we find Oneness (Heaven)....

In this place Buddha, Yeshua, Lao Tzu, myself, and many others sat in unity surrounding Brahman.
So this is an Abrahamic concept?
Yahvah is a name for the Abrahmic God, which is said to have spoken reality into existence; just like we find Brahma doing, with their names meaning virtually the same thing.
One cannot go literally and physically inside G-d, the world in which we life is His creation.
Think you missed what was being said; the creation is made from coding, if we remove all the dimensional structuring, then all that exists is God, therefore we're already in God....

It was to summarize how dualism and monism, can be seen as the same thing; yet remain separate ideas.
Is your balance of deeds/works, every action you ever do within many lifes, is carried by your soul record, and as such can be seen....

Our karmic balance effects how we get on, by influencing the luck we have within reality, and might even cause things to happen so that we might learn from them.
Bhakti is devotion, it is a state of being in devotion, it is a practise of doing ritual to show piety.
Now I'm aware of Brahmacharya, which is celibacy so that we utilize our vital energy for higher purposes...

Yet not Charya (to follow) on its own, so what does it mean, please?
poor understanding of Hinduism
Though obviously as a seeker of knowledge, I'm open to understanding all the Sanskrit terms and concepts; yet I'm not speaking from that of a learner of metaphysics, I'm speaking from my own experience of the divine, and then trying to use your words to summarize it....

So learn to forgive my lack of exact phraseology, as I'm not here to impress by knowledge of a religion.
I Will never say that I understand Judaism if I did not hear thé Torah in à synagogue, or eat thé Pessar meal.
I really like these sentiments, and there is a lot of depth to it, in terms of experiencing how it feels within each religions energies.
What brings understanding ?
Intelligence brings understanding, as that is what the word intelligence means, to acquire and to understand information.

If you were meaning experience brings understanding, it is useless without the wisdom to discern; so even on visiting Hindu temples, knowing the whole Sanskrit dictionary, you can still be a fool who doesn't understand how anything works.
What would be gained in knowing the answer, if it robs you of the journey ?
Was asked to read all the religions, and challenge certain Abrahmic beliefs globally, which has been achieved; though so far it has been futile in trying to change anyone's beliefs, which is why prophecy already predicted before we got to it.....

So personally found this journey an amazing enlightening mission....

Though i agree with you, and have missed out on much of life, trying to reach people before Satya Yuga, it doesn't stop us trying.
Reading things for years and one day you conclude that you get it ?
Was born with the knowledge of the divine, knew i was an avatar from like 4/5 years old, knew how the world had already been deceived, and been in darkness for some time (Kali Yuga); just didn't understand how the texts had led people to their misunderstanding, so I've only been investigating what people believe. :innocent:
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Vinayaka said:
So this is an Abrahamic concept?
Yahvah is a name for the Abrahmic God, which is said to have spoken reality into existence; just like we find Brahma doing, with their names meaning virtually the same thing.
Is Brahma and Brahman same? Please
Regards
 
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paarsurrey

Veteran Member
One cannot go literally and physically inside G-d, the world in which we life is His creation. sorry. one is wrong again. Please
Think you missed what was being said; the creation is made from coding, if we remove all the dimensional structuring, then all that exists is God, therefore we're already in God....
You are again wrong. When everything created by G-d is finished by G-d then we also get finished only G-d remains. So we are not in Him physically and literally:

[55:27] All that is on it (earth) will pass away.
[55:28] And there will remain only the Person of thy Lord, Master of Glory and Honour.
[55:29] Which, then, of the favours of your Lord will you twain deny?
[55:30] Of Him do beg all that are in the heavens and the earth. Every day He reveals Himselfin a different state.
[55:31] Which, then, of the favours of your Lord will you twain deny?
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=55&verse=27

Regards
 
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paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Vinayaka said:
karma

Is your balance of deeds/works, every action you ever do within many lifes, is carried by your soul record, and as such can be seen....

You are wrong once more, please.
There are only two lives, one we are living as we do now, the other would in the hereafter. Once we die we are never to return again to this world. It is a misconception among many people. Kindly get corrected, please:

[3:186] Every soul shall taste of death. And you shall be paid in full your rewards only on the Day of Resurrection. So whosoever is removed away from the Fire and is made to enter Heaven has indeed attained his goal. And the life of this world is nothing but an illusory enjoyment
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=3&verse=185

Regards
 
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wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Did you have any conversation/dialogue with Brahman in express words of speech as you talk to a friend.
Within my NDE in Heaven God answered any questions, before we think them....At 15 was told to read all the religions, and how things would prophetically unfold.... At 22 was told to fulfill Revelations chapter 10.

If we meditate we can all hear God; it just depends on if we listen from our soul, and not our mind.

Speaking as a friend isn't a good specification, it would be better defined as a servant receiving instruction.
Is Brahma and Brahman same?
No, Brahma is an aspect of Brahman, that is said to have created the reality by the sound Om....

Yet if you start to understand the Hindu view, they're both the same thing really; everything is part of Brahman.
So we are not in Him physically and literally:
God is a CPU, and we're in an artificial reality.... So right now we exist within the reality, that God continually makes manifest.

We can understand the Islamic view point, that Allah is separate to his creation; yet when Allah is closer to us than our own jugular, it is you're misunderstanding of Islamic literature.
You are again wrong.
Sorry yet you're quoting from a single book, which doesn't have all information available, therefore telling people their wrong, as it doesn't agree with your own presuppositions is illogical, and rude. :oops:
Once we die we are never to return again to this world.
The Quran teaches reincarnation, it is again a misunderstanding from not looking at the whole.... Reincarnation has been scientifically proven.
22 O people! if you are in doubt about the raising, then surely We created you from dust, then from a small seed, then from a clot, then from a lump of flesh, complete in make and incomplete, that We may make clear to you; and We cause what We please to stay in the wombs till an appointed time, then We bring you forth as babies, then that you may attain your maturity; and of you is he who is caused to die, and of you is he who is brought back to the worst part of life, so that after having knowledge he does not know anything; and you see the earth sterile land, but when We send down on it the water, it stirs and swells and brings forth of every kind a beautiful herbage. (5) This is because Allah is the Truth and because He gives life to the dead and because He has power over all things (6) And because the hour is coming, there is no doubt about it; and because Allah shall raise up those who are in the graves. (7)
Judaism has always accepted reincarnation (Gilgul), Yeshua taught it, etc...
Kindly get corrected
If you would kindly not be so rude, how dare you arrogantly keep telling people they're wrong, from a very limited perspective....Likely to start ignoring you, unless you apologize, and stop being so rude. :innocent:
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
In this place Buddha, Yeshua, Lao Tzu, myself, and many others sat in unity surrounding Brahman.

It was to summarize how dualism and monism, can be seen as the same thing; yet remain separate ideas.

Yet not Charya (to follow) on its own, so what does it mean, please?

Though obviously as a seeker of knowledge, I'm open to understanding all the Sanskrit terms and concepts; yet I'm not speaking from that of a learner of metaphysics, I'm speaking from my own experience of the divine, and then trying to use your words to summarize it....

I really like these sentiments, and there is a lot of depth to it, in terms of experiencing how it feels within each religions energies.

There is no 'place' called Brahman. it is not a place. The difference between the sages and the greatest experienced meditators alive today and you is that they can go to nirvikalpa samadhi at will, whenever they want, by sitting down and going in. You had a taste of it, maybe? We don't really know. Lots of folk have had a taste of it, or sense it's existence. Heck, even an ordinary Joe like me senses its existence.
Dualism has God separate from man. Monism doesn't.
Charya is virtuous living. (I thought you had a reasonably clear intellectual understanding of karma and bhakti ... have you been top a Hindu temple and cried in bliss? That's really understanding bhakti. Do you live every moment virtuously and by dharma to the best of your ability? That's really getting karma.

You cannot be an avatar and a seeker of knowledge at the same time. That's a contradiction.

In Hinduism, teachers become teachers traditionally through two ways. One is by appointment in a Guru lineage, by the previous Guru, and transmission from the previous Guru. The other is when students beg to be taught. Because humility is a natural outcome of samadhi, this often takes great pressure from the students. Any self appopinted teachers just don't garner the same respect in any traditional school.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
West and East both are direction of the same earth we all live in, the difference if there is only a cultural difference not of the Truth or the truthful religion. West and the East are both creation of the same G-d:

[2:116] To Allah belong the East and the West; so withersoever you turn, there will be the face of Allah. Surely, Allah is Bountiful, All- Knowing.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=2&verse=115
There is no God. It is a figment of peoples imagination or creation of charlatans who benefited by espousing it.
One cannot go literally and physically inside G-d, the world in which we life is His creation. sorry. one is wrong again.
Basically, you are saying that only you are right and the others are fools. Other people also may think the same about you.
Did you have any conversation/dialogue with Brahman in express words of speech as you talk to a friend.
Why try, Paarsurrey? I told you that you will not understand it. You do not have the wherewithal's to understand it. I am Brahman and none other.
 
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