Yajurveda: “This battle is the source of thy prosperity; hence we goad thee to that battle”

[paarsurrey]

Yajurveda: “This battle is the source of thy prosperity; hence we goad thee to that battle”

Just for the information of one who would like the information:
Right now I am at Yajurveda Chapter 29 Verse 1 translated by Devi Chand.
Regards

 

[Aupmanyav]

You are right, Jai. All Urdu verbs are from Sanskrit. Hasana, rona, gana, khana, aana, jaana, etc. Hasati, rodati, gayati, bhakshyati, agacchati, gachhati.

 

[Vinayaka]

Yajurveda: “This battle is the source of thy prosperity; hence we goad thee to that battle”

Just for the information of one who would like the information:
Right now I am at Yajurveda Chapter 29 Verse 1 translated by Devi Chand.
Regards

But have you applied any of it? Or is it just like reading a novel ... simply for one's entertainment, or to just be able to say, 'I've read it.'

 

[paarsurrey]

Urdu is simply a register (not as differentiated) as a dialect) of Hindi using Arabic script and some Arabic loanwords. It's a political issue, not linguistic. Like Serbian and Croatian... same language written in Latin and Cyrillic scripts, but Serbs and Croats will tell you they speak different languages.

What I meant was that I know Hindi or Urdu to read in Arabic/Persian script and I am not familiar with the Sanskrit/Hindi script.
Well, I have already started learning it from friend @Aupmanyav , so I will learn it Insha-Allah/Brahman-willing.
Regards

 

[Jainarayan]

Yajurveda: “This battle is the source of thy prosperity; hence we goad thee to that battle”

Just for the information of one who would like the information:
Right now I am at Yajurveda Chapter 29 Verse 1 translated by Devi Chand.
Regards

CHAPTER XXIX

1. O learned person, brilliant like fire, famous for sagacity, just as
fire enkindled, manifesting itself, strengthens the belly of men, and enjoy-
ing the highly efficacious butter, achieves stability through educated
priests, as a skilled rider makes the horse move fast so shouldst thou
attain to the desired abode of pleasure.

Do you have any idea what this means? Because I sure don't. I haven't ridden a horse since high school. Though I did have butter on my English muffin the other day.

 

[paarsurrey]

CHAPTER XXIX

1. O learned person, brilliant like fire, famous for sagacity, just as
fire enkindled, manifesting itself, strengthens the belly of men, and enjoy-
ing the highly efficacious butter, achieves stability through educated
priests, as a skilled rider makes the horse move fast so shouldst thou
attain to the desired abode of pleasure.

Do you have any idea what this means? Because I sure don't. I haven't ridden a horse since high school. Though I did have butter on my English muffin the other day.

Try to understand it from:

Charging Up the Lazy Horse - Horses

"Feb 23, 2001 - Top trainer Buddy Fisher offers ways to get your lazy horse to change his ... disciplines including halter, western pleasure, reining, futurities and all around. ... "He'll wonder, 'Does my rider want me to move forward, or stop? ... Use much lighter cues, but make sure the horse understands what you're asking."

Does it help? Please
Anybody else, please
Regards

 

[Jainarayan]

Does it help?

No. It's about as relevant as an astronaut's suit is to a chicken.

 

[paarsurrey]

No, not right at all. Because Koran was revelation to one person, but Veda is Apurushay.

The source of every one on whom Veda was revealed was the same God, so God, the source, is to describe as to what the Veda is. Right?
Regards

 

[Vinayaka]

It's a metaphor. The horse is awareness, the mover of the awareness is the person with will, or the rider.

 

[Jainarayan]

The source of every one on whom Veda was revealed was the same God, so God, the source, is to describe as to what the Veda is. Right?
Regards

Wrong.

You're still trying to prove that God revealed the Vedas. God did not reveal the Vedas. You can't sneak Allah into Hinduism. Our reflexes are too quick, we would catch it. The Vedas were not given to anyone, they had to be earned by those advanced enough. After intense meditations the rishis "heard" the Vedas transcendentally. That's why the Vedas are called śruti, heard.

 

[paarsurrey]

Yajurveda: “This battle is the source of thy prosperity; hence we goad thee to that battle”

According to one history concept, Aryans marched into India on a horseback tending to the herds of cows in search of green pastures. The photo given by @Aupmanyav, in one of these threads, gives a strong clue to that.
Well, the green pastures were not uninhabited. Were these? Please
Anybody, please
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[Vinayaka]

Paar, the Aryan Invasion Theory has been proven wrong many times over. Aup is one of the few remaining Hindus who still cling to it. Most of us see it no differently than the Flat Earth Theory.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Well, the green pastures were not uninhabited. Were these?

No, they were not uninhabited. They were a pit stops for Aryans on their Southward, Westward and Eastward moves. A HUGE number of Indo-Europen civilizations flourished in these pastures. They spread all over Eurasia and later around the globe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_migrations (Just see Contents)

Bronze Age: Anatolians, Armenians, Mycenaean Greeks, Indo-Iranians

Iron Age:
Indo-Aryans: Indo-Aryans
Iranians: Iranians, Scythians, Persians, Medes
Europe: Celts, Gauls, Celtiberians, Insular Celts, Hellenic peoples, Italic peoples, Germanic peoples
Paleo-Balkans/Anatolia: Thracians, Dacians, Illyrians, Phrygians

Middle Ages:
East-Asia: Tocharians
Europe: Balts, Slavs, Albanians, Medieval Europe
Indo-Aryan: Medieval India
Iranian: Greater Persia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_studies#List_of_Indo-European_scholars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_studies#Contemporary_IE_study_centres

List of Indo-European languages:
Historical: Albanian, African Romance, Armenian, Balto-Slavic (Baltic Slavic), Celtic, Insular Celtic, Germanic, Hellenic, Greek, Indo-Iranian, Indo-Aryan, Iranian, Italic Romance
Extinct: Anatolian, Tocharian, Paleo-Balkan, Dacian, Thracian, Illyrian, Phrygian
Other: Proto-Anatolian, Proto-Armenian, Proto-Germanic (Proto-Norse), Proto-Celtic, Proto-Italic, Proto-Greek, Proto-Balto-Slavic (Proto-Slavic), Proto-Indo-Iranian (Proto-Iranian)

@Vinayaka, do you mean to say that I should overlook the research that these people have done over last three Centuries (Friedrich Schlegel, 1772–1829) at these institutions and accept what David Fawley says, then I beg to differ.

 

[paarsurrey]

Paar, the Aryan Invasion Theory has been proven wrong many times over. Aup is one of the few remaining Hindus who still cling to it. Most of us see it no differently than the Flat Earth Theory.

Aupjee is a strong Atheist, he is only a Hindu because of social and cultural reasons, as I see him. He is not a Believer but a non-believer. Of course, he is open to correct me. Right?
If one has read the Yajurveda, and read its emphasis on "horse" one would propbably agree with Aup and the Aryan invasion theory. Did Tilak believe in the Aryan invasion theory of India? Please
Anybody, please
Regards

 

[Vinayaka]

Aupjee is a strong Atheist, he is only a Hindu because of social and cultural reasons, as I see him. He is not a Believer but a non-believer. Of course, he is open to correct me. Right?
If one has read the Yajurveda, and read its emphasis on "horse" one would propbably agree with Aup and the Aryan invasion theory. Did Tilak believe in the Aryan invasion theory of India? Please
Anybody, please
Regards

Who is Tilak?

 

[Satyamavejayanti]

"paarsurrey, post: 4844263, member: 37462"

Namaste,

It is more valuable to know Veda from the "Veda" itself. Are you against knowing about Veda from "Veda" itself? If yes, it would be very strange to know it! And one would agree with me on it.

Well the strange bit is that you do not understand the traditional stance on Veda, but are simply reading "a" translation and then posting "a" question, I see the word Vedah as it is derived from "Vid", which means "to know", depending on context it is closely associated with knowledge and knowing, therefore one does not need the Samhita texts specifically "to know" but the entire purpose is to awaken the inner ability and inspire us to seek knowledge, the Samhitas are our foremost guide but if one does not understand or if one has not the ability to meditate on what the Samhita is portraying then reading is useless. The Sanskrit Mantras when recited verbally are believed to produce sacred sounds that when heard produce a mental effect and each mantra is different and produces different effects according to the chandas ect associated with them. The recitation of the Mantras is coupled with the Yajna or Homa which is the physical aspect of the Mantras, so the Mantras a meant to be mental and physical combined to get the full appreciation of the Samhitas.

Now the Veda has some internal interpretations, such as Adhiatma (concerning the Atman), Adhidaiva (Concerning the Devta), Adhibhuta (concerning Nature) and depending on the contexts each interpretations apply, and of course there is the PurvaMimamsa ritualism or litteralism as well.

I find the modern translation and most popular of the Samhita texts to be linked with only two people, The Sayanachariya of which is used by the old indoligists such as Wilson, Muller ect and the SwamiDayananda which is largely used by Arya Samaj, there are probably more but these two are the most prominent.

Anyways this is a Hindus view on my sacred texts.

 

[Satyamavejayanti]

The source of every one on whom Veda was revealed was the same God, so God, the source, is to describe as to what the Veda is. Right?
Regards

Namaste,

No, in the Veda Samhita, Purush is not only "Human" but also the "cosmic being", so knowledge is not the sole property of anyone, but is free for all to gain.

This is what i mean my Apurushay - Not of Purusha (human or otherwise)

 

[paarsurrey]

Namaste,
No, in the Veda Samhita, Purush is not only "Human" but also the "cosmic being", so knowledge is not the sole property of anyone, but is free for all to gain.
This is what i mean my Apurushay - Not of Purusha (human or otherwise)

Please quote from Yajurveda, if one considers it a Veda, to prove one's point of view. Kindly
Regards

 

[Vinayaka]

Please quote from the Yajurveda where it says one must quote from the Yajurveda in order to prove that it is in the Yajurveda. Otherwise there is no proof.

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
Aupjee is a strong Atheist, he is only a Hindu because of social and cultural reasons, as I see him. He is not a Believer but a non-believer. Of course, he is open to correct me. Right?
If one has read the Yajurveda, and read its emphasis on "horse" one would propbably agree with Aup and the Aryan invasion theory. Did Tilak believe in the Aryan invasion theory of India? Please
Anybody, please

Who is Tilak?

Bal Gangadhar Tilak
In 1903, he wrote the book The Arctic Home in the Vedas. In it, he argued that the Vedas could only have been composed in the Arctics, and the Aryan bards brought them south after the onset of the last ice age.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bal_Gangadhar_Tilak#Books
Please
Regards