Ancient and Modern Creation Stories

[Polymath257]

I don´t consider you to be a witness of truth in the mythical department since you refute it all together without having the slightest mythical insight. Do your mythical research before you comment on this.

Contrary to you, I´ve done my mythical research and my research on cosmological anomalies, whereas you just believe in all kinds of gravitational dark this and that ghosts and mathemagicial rabbits which is needed in order to get cosmos to fit to your theories instead of the other way around.

And I've done my research in astronomy and physics. That is a better method to find truth than studies of mythology.

You can get back in this matter if - ever - modern cosmologists can agree on a concrete TOE which proves or disproves the standing theories.

Until then: Just be humble and downplay your intellectual besserwissen attitudes and be open for all kinds of ideas and theories, even the mythical ones.

We don't need to know *everything* in order to know many things. Your denial and lack of understanding of gravity is, at this point, just humorous. Your imaginations concerning E&M are, well, showing the same lack of understanding of basic physics. Your claims that ancient Egyptians had superior knowledge of astronomy compared to people today is wonderfully ludicrous. and that doesn't even get into your misinterpretations of the mythology itself.

 

[Native]

And I've done my research in astronomy and physics. That is a better method to find truth than studies of mythology.

And I´ve done my research on cosmology by focusing on the numerous anomalies and why these occurs in the first place and what is done when these shows up. You should do the same as this is the scientific way of working in science instead of adding this and that unseen matter or energy when anomalies occurs.

Your denial and lack of understanding of gravity is, at this point, just humorous. Your imaginations concerning E&M are, well, showing the same lack of understanding of basic physics. Your claims that ancient Egyptians had superior knowledge of astronomy compared to people today is wonderfully ludicrous. and that doesn't even get into your misinterpretations of the mythology itself.

Nice neutral comments from a RF Moderator. Have you read the rules of respectful conduct?

 

[Polymath257]

And I´ve done my research on cosmology by focusing on the numerous anomalies and why these occurs in the first place and what is done when these shows up. You should do the same as this is the scientific way of working in science instead of adding this and that unseen matter or energy when anomalies occurs.

I have. And those anomalies are well accounted for by dark matter and dark energy, which are also substantiated in other ways.

Nice neutral comments from a RF Moderator. Have you read the rules of respectful conduct?

Moderators can have opinions and state them. I am not involved in any moderation against you. Instead, I am giving my opinion of your understanding of relevant material in this thread.

I'd point out that you haven't exactly been respectful when others question your conclusions.

 

[Native]

I have. And those anomalies are well accounted for by dark matter and dark energy, which are also substantiated in other ways.

OK, and now you just need to find this metaphysical substance and explain what it´s made of and by which forces it works. You see? It´s STILL just an assumption and a theoretical addition to the real observation.

Your denial and lack of understanding of gravity is, at this point, just humorous. Your imaginations concerning E&M are, well, showing the same lack of understanding of basic physics. Your claims that ancient Egyptians had superior knowledge of astronomy compared to people today is wonderfully ludicrous. and that doesn't even get into your misinterpretations of the mythology itself.

Moderators can have opinions and state them. I am not involved in any moderation against you. Instead, I am giving my opinion of your understanding of relevant material in this thread.

But you are NOT giving any opinion of what I understand, but a clear mental projection of what you think I understand or not. That´s a huge difference. And you are doing this on a very poor scientific background of scientific anomalies and bad scientific methods.

I´m pleased that you didn´t reply as a moderator . . "just humorous" - "wonderfully ludicrous" - "misinterpretations of the mythology" - of which you have no ideas at all and thus no expertise to judge - isn´t exactly words, terms and sentenses a respectful member should use, moderator or not.

 

[gnostic]

Correct. And if you consider that humans all over the world can observe the Milky Way band, there is NO reasons to be critical, but nitt-picking reasons towards comments

Again, the “band” you see in the night sky (unaided, hence naked eye) isn’t the entire Milky Way.

The “band” that everyone can observe is only a small portion of local stars, local star clusters, local nebulae and a great deal of interstellar dust and gas.

You can see the glow because the ultraviolet radiation, coming from stars, have ionised the gases, which are mostly consisted of hydrogen, and some helium and other trace elements of other gases. This glow is very similar to glow from nebulae, gases ionised by stars’ radiations.

The glow doesn’t come from the galactic centre of the Milky Way, because large amount of dust from the Sagittarius spiral make visible wavelength impossible to penetrate.

Do you really think the ancient Egyptians have infrared or x-ray visions to see through the dust and see the centre?

Second. When you out watching the night sky, without any assistance (eg binoculars, telescope, filters, etc), you would only see portion of sky, depending on your geographical location and time, you would see only see between 2000 and 2500 stars, if you are capable of counting them.

(I don’t know where you lived, so I don’t know your locality.)

The total number of stars counted by astronomers, visible to the naked eye, comes to 9096 stars. That’s no where near the possible 100-400 billion stars in the Milky Way.

If you had optical telescope, you would see more, where you lived. And if you have more power telescope than the one that you can afford domestically, then you will see more stars still. And if you were able to built a radio telescope, or just use one already constructed, you will see even further.

My point is that no one can see more, because with the naked eye, our perception is limited to the visible wavelengths.

The other wavelengths can be be seen with filters (eg infrared, near infrared) or with radio devices (eg microwave, x-ray, etc).

But the ancient astronomers have had no such equipments or devices, so to understand their capabilities, if you or I were to walk in their shoes, so to speak, we must observed the night sky with the naked eye.

And we would have the same limitations as the ancient astronomers. Even if stars are not covered by cosmic dust, from our view, there are many more stars in the Milky Way that we cannot see because of the distance.

Even our resident astronomer (mostly retired), Regiomontanus, agreed with us (me, Polymath257 and ecco) about the observable band of the Milky Way, is only view of some local stars and cosmic dust and gas, is only small portion of the Milky Way:

Hello. Right, when you look up at night you can only see a small fraction of our galaxy. The band of stars (our galaxy) is just a small part, mainly of the arm we embedded in (Orion arm).

To see very far into the disc of our galaxy (like to the center, see movie above) we need to use, for example, radio telescopes. At such wavelengths much of the obscuring debris is fairly transparent.

The most distant individual star we can see (unaided, hence naked eye, of course) is V762 CAS, located in the Cassiopeia constellation. It is about 16,300 light years away from Earth. Any individual star beyond this distance, we cannot see.

Of course, that isn’t the most distant object we can see, naked eye. The Triangulum Galaxy about 3 million light years away, and Andromeda Galaxy about 2 million light years away, are the two most distant objects that we could see in our night sky. These two are galaxies, not individual stars, so they are larger objects than the stars, hence we can see them.

I, of course, couldn’t see Triangulum Galaxy, even with my glasses on, because my eyesight isn’t what they used to be.

And neither we, nor the ancient stargazers, can see the entire Milky Way, let alone the galactic centre. And we cannot see all the distant stars in the Milky Way, because of our eyes’ limitations, so we can only view stars in rather close proximity to Earth.

I have made each of these points before, but you cannot seem to grasp, we can never see the entire Milky Way, because the “band” we do see in our night sky isn’t the entire Milky Way. The “band” is only a tiny fraction of the Milky Way.

How many times must we say all this, before you understand this? How many times must we tell you that the observable “band” isn’t the entire Milky Way, for you to admit you have been mistaken?

 

[gnostic]

OK, and now you just need to find this metaphysical substance and explain what it´s made of and by which forces it works. You see? It´s STILL just an assumption and a theoretical addition to the real observation.


But you are NOT giving any opinion of what I understand, but a clear mental projection of what you think I understand or not. That´s a huge difference. And you are doing this on a very poor scientific background of scientific anomalies and bad scientific methods.

I´m pleased that you didn´t reply as a moderator . . "just humorous" - "wonderfully ludicrous" - "misinterpretations of the mythology" - of which you have no ideas at all and thus no expertise to judge - isn´t exactly words, terms and sentenses a respectful member should use, moderator or not.

Actually, Polymath257 can judge you on the matter of science and mathematics.

I don’t know of ecco’s background, but he seemed to be very competent as a physicist and mathematician too.

Regiomontanus can judge on the matter of astronomy, particularly regarding to the Milky Way, because he is astronomers, retired or not.

Métis can judge you on matter of cultures of ancient societies, because he is a retired anthropology and archaeologist, and quite familiar on history and myths. He has also taught theology, so he is also familiar with many religions.

Even though I have no qualifications as physicist, mathematician, astronomer, anthropologist, archaeologist, Egyptologist, etc, I have read enough ancient literature on myths, as well as in Egyptian literature, to know that you are over-interpreting Egyptian myths and the hints of Egyptian astronomy found in their stories.

My tertiary education background are formally in the areas of engineering (civil engineering and computer science), so I am more than willing to admit I am no expert in astronomy, cosmology, Relativity and Quantum Mechanics. I have done some research in each of these areas, but definitely no expert.

Myths and legends are something that I have never studied in the classroom or lecture, but I have over a hundred of translations in my personal library. I do my own reading and my private research on the matter, enough to some areas of myths, but that’s still a fraction that I know.

So I do know enough to judge you regarding to Egyptian myths.

Even Polymath257 and ecco can see what you are doing with the Egyptian myths, enough to see that you are misinterpreting astronomy behind the myths.

And you are wrong, Native, anyone can judge you, because you are only providing personal interpretations on myths and personal opinions on science.

In terms of physics and astronomy, you are out of league.

 

[gnostic]

It is quite clear that ancient astronomers were able to observe and track the stars, sun, planets and Moon, and they may be able to observe the “band” and described the Milky Way with limited description.

But not of the ancient Egyptians were capable of understanding what any of them are, or how they work.

None of their writings give any explanation what they are and how they work.

I am not saying Egyptians were stupid, because other stargazers from different cultures and civilizations were in the same boat.

The ancient Greeks have with some successes and failures to analyse the sky without resorting to superstitions of deities and spirits clouding their judgement.

They were right about some things, but wrong about others.

But they were heading in more or less in the right direction, using maths, logic and observation to come up with a solution, instead of relying on the supernatural or beliefs in some deities or spirits, as the Egyptians and Babylonians did.

That was the start of natural philosophy, the precursor of natural science and physical science.

The problems with ancient astronomers were attaching myths to it, or applying faulty astronomy to myths. The problem with Egyptian astronomy is that we’re never able to detach myths from What they have managed to observe in the sky.

What is funny is that you have gone backward, mixing superstitions with astronomy, Native, repeating the same mistakes in the past, by relying to heavily on myths.

 

[Native]

A sentence from my initial post of introduction:

The big question for me in this thread, is whether ancient and modern stories tells the same basic story and which of these stories are the most natural and logical.

Again, the “band” you see in the night sky (unaided, hence naked eye) isn’t the entire Milky Way.
The “band” that everyone can observe is only a small portion of local stars, local star clusters, local nebulae and a great deal of interstellar dust and gas.

Gnostic, except from the Milky Way band and it´s contours and central symbolism of light formation, there are NO ancient records of the kind you mention here,

If you like to comment on what our ancestors could observe or not, this is all you need, with the example from Egypt:

#1 The(ir) Ogdoad creation story.
#2 Looking at the ancient telling with ancient eyes, symbols and local conditions
#3 Interpreting the mythical archetypes.
#4 Taking the human spiritual skills into consideration.

Notes:
#1: You can read this either as a creation telling of the Solar System (Re/Re) and/or if you include Hathor/Nut, you can take this as a creation story of the entire Milky Way (Hathor/Nut)

#2: You must be aware of what can be observed by physical and spiritual senses and the use of symbols from all parts of the local animal life, the vegetable area and of course the human images.

#3: In the case of the Egyptian creation story, you must interpret the god Re/Ra either as a Sun God or as a central Milky Way Light of creation.

When the Egyptian used the female Hathor/Nut symbolism as a description of the Milky Way contours at the southern hemisphere and called them "Mother Goddesses of creation", you of course have to focus on the female part of "formation" with conception, pregnancy and child birth. but of course this process is enormous on the galactic scale, to which these goddesses are connected, but the formation process is the very same.

"4: You are welcome to read my personal spiritual visions here. Note especially the vision of the Mother Goddess which is illustrated more here.

Do you really think the ancient Egyptians have infrared or x-ray visions to see through the dust and see the centre?

This premises of comparison is simply skewed.

econd. When you out watching the night sky, without any assistance (eg binoculars, telescope, filters, etc), you would only see portion of sky, depending on your geographical location and time, you would see only see between 2000 and 2500 stars, if you are capable of counting them.

(I don’t know where you lived, so I don’t know your locality.)

The total number of stars counted by astronomers, visible to the naked eye, comes to 9096 stars. That’s no where near the possible 100-400 billion stars in the Milky Way.

If you had optical telescope, you would see more, where you lived. And if you have more power telescope than the one that you can afford domestically, then you will see more stars still. And if you were able to built a radio telescope, or just use one already constructed, you will see even further.
My point is that no one can see more, because with the naked eye, our perception is limited to the visible wavelengths.
The other wavelengths can be be seen with filters (eg infrared, near infrared) or with radio devices (eg microwave, x-ray, etc).
And we would have the same limitations as the ancient astronomers. Even if stars are not covered by cosmic dust, from our view, there are many more stars in the Milky Way that we cannot see because of the distance.

Skewed premises once again.

And we would have the same limitations as the ancient astronomers. Even if stars are not covered by cosmic dust, from our view, there are many more stars in the Milky Way that we cannot see because of the distance.

That´s a bit better premise and you can add a lesser pollution to this comment. (When taking the human spiritual senses into consideration too, "distances" doesn´t matter at all)

Even our resident astronomer (mostly retired), Regiomontanus, agreed with us (me, Polymath257 and ecco) about the observable band of the Milky Way, is only view of some local stars and cosmic dust and gas, is only small portion of the Milky Way:

I of course would take this seriously, if I was convinced of their mythical insights, but I´m not at all.

Myths and legends are something that I have never studied in the classroom or lecture, but I have over a hundred of translations in my personal library. I do my own reading and my private research on the matter, enough to some areas of myths, but that’s still a fraction that I know.
So I do know enough to judge you regarding to Egyptian myths.

As long as you (admitted by yourself) deny/refute/ignore the creation stories and their astronomical and cosmological informations, you are not at all.

Even Polymath257 and ecco can see what you are doing with the Egyptian myths, enough to see that you are misinterpreting astronomy behind the myths.

They dont see anything as long as they all refute the creation myths.

And you are wrong, Native, anyone can judge you, because you are only providing personal interpretations on myths and personal opinions on science.

How can you judge a mythical interpretation if /since you simply rejects the myths as "just myths" without having any interpretation yourself??? This is inconsistency

 

[Native]

It is quite clear that ancient astronomers were able to observe and track the stars, sun, planets and Moon, and they may be able to observe the “band” and described the Milky Way with limited description.
But not of the ancient Egyptians were capable of understanding what any of them are, or how they work.
None of their writings give any explanation what they are and how they work.

And there you go again, judging something that you just refute as "myth are just myths" which just is pure denial pr. definition.

The ancient Greeks have with some successes and failures to analyse the sky without resorting to superstitions of deities and spirits clouding their judgement.

So after all you accept astronomical facts in myths? Can you come to an agreement with yourself and be consistent? Does ancient myths in general describe astronomical facts or not? Please give clear and consistent answer thank you.

The problems with ancient astronomers were attaching myths to it, or applying faulty astronomy to myths. The problem with Egyptian astronomy is that we’re never able to detach myths from What they have managed to observe in the sky.

What? " . . . we’re never able to detach myths from What they have managed to observe in the sky". "We´re"? Dont include me in your "we".

And don´t include the ancient ancestors who evidently could detach stars and star constellations to the myths and vise versa.

And you STILL cannot judge ancient myths via your direct mythical rejection and no knowledge of the mythical language. Get this into your mind please.

What is funny is that you have gone backward, mixing superstitions with astronomy, Native, repeating the same mistakes in the past, by relying to heavily on myths.

This isn´t a valid argument, but typical when a debater have lost the very plot and become personal emotional instead of factual.

Resume my post here and start all over please

 

[Native]

@gnostic
I have edited this from here
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If you like to comment on what our ancestors could observe or not, this is all you need, with the example from Egypt:

#1 The(ir) Ogdoad creation story.
#2 Looking at the ancient telling with ancient eyes, symbols and local conditions
#3 Interpreting the mythical archetypes.
#4 Taking the human spiritual skills into consideration.

Notes:
#1: You can read this either as a creation telling of the Solar System (Re/RA) and/or if you include Hathor/Nut, you can take this as a creation story of the entire Milky Way (Hathor/Nut)

#2: You must be aware of what can be observed by physical and spiritual senses and the use of symbols from all parts of the local animal life, the vegetable area and of course the human images.

#3: In the case of the Egyptian creation story, you must interpret the god Re/Ra either as a Sun God or as a central Milky Way Light of creation in connection with Hathor/Nut as Milky Way symbolism.

When the Egyptian used the female Hathor/Nut symbolism as a description of the Milky Way contours at the southern hemisphere and called them "Mother Goddesses of creation", you of course have to focus on the female part of "formation" with conception, pregnancy and child birth. but of course this process is enormous on the galactic scale, to which these goddesses are connected, but the formation process is the very same.

#4: You are welcome to read my personal spiritual visions here. Note especially the vision of the Mother Goddess which symbolism is illustrated more here.
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[ecco]

"4: You are welcome to read my personal spiritual visions here.

I went to your site. I clicked the link to the video. I actually watched all eight minutes.

The video and your website really says a lot about you and your beliefs.

The following pretty much sums it:

I got some very remarkable out of body experiences.

I "woke up" from my sleep and found myself hovering over the Baltic Sea Island Bornholm on which I live. Out in the horizon I saw the beginning of what I believe was the morning Sun rising. I moved down and towards the east to meet the light just in the level with the ocean and stopped, waiting for the sun to rise.

But in stead of the Sun coming up, a golden so called Rock Carving Ship came sailing majestic against me and just as it passed, me I saw that the ship was pulled by a horse and on the horse a man was steering the hole scenery.

This vision was the beginning of my interest for the old cultures after first looking on my own religious heritage and it's real value compared to a more natural way of understanding the nature of creation. And after a while I began to study the interesting symbols our ancestors have made on rocks and stones.

GOLDEN RAIN.

Again I woke up in a dream and this time I had the feeling that I was very far out in the space and close to a strong cosmic source which was very radiating and penetrating.

Suddenly a rain of floating golden arrow shapes and green droplets came down on me and inside and even trough my mind and body. It was very vibrating and filled with high electrical energy, and I had a feeling that it had a kind of cleaning effect on my mind. Intuitively I sensed that my experience some information's about the Sun and it's creative forces.
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[Native]

I went to your site. I clicked the link to the video. I actually watched all eight minutes.

I didn´t link you to any video, but never mind.
Did you read of the Mother Goddess vision down below the visions you´ve read of?
And did you watch the link to the Mother Goddess illustrations?

 

[ecco]

I didn´t link you to any video, but never mind.

First off, there is no need to shout. That doesn't help your case.

Did you somehow forget that you posted a link to your web site? Do you have a problem with my looking through your site which you linked to? Do you have a problem that I took the time to follow links in your website, including one to a video?

If you don't want your content viewed, don't provide links.

Did you read of the Mother Goddess vision down below the visions you´ve read of?
And did you watch the link to the Mother Goddess illustrations?

No, I told you what I did. I watched your linked movie. I commented on it.

I'll now add, rambling nonsensical woo.

 

[Native]

First off, there is no need to shout. That doesn't help your case.
Did you somehow forget that you posted a link to your web site? Do you have a problem with my looking through your site which you linked to? Do you have a problem that I took the time to follow links in your website, including one to a video?
If you don't want your content viewed, don't provide links.

Shouting point taken
You can look to your hearths content. I just waited for a comment on the Mother Goddess link

Native
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Did you read of the Mother Goddess vision down below the visions you´ve read of?
And did you watch the link to the Mother Goddess illustrations?

No, I told you what I did. I watched your linked movie. I commented on it.

So you have troubles following and reading a posted link too?

I'll now add, rambling nonsensical woo.

Ok you don´t understand that human can learn via spiritual senses. And then you judge other persons visionary experiences as rambling nonsensical woo!? You poor thing

 

[ecco]

So you have troubles following and reading a posted link too?

Oh, pardon me. I wasn't aware that I had to follow your links in some order you specified. I thought I could follow your links and see where they took me. I guess I should look up the forum rules to see if there's anything there about that.
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Nope, Nothing. So, whether you like it or not, I'll follow links in any way I see fit.

If what you posted on your website or showed in your movie embarrasses you, well, maybe you should not give out any links that let us look into your mindset.

Ok you don´t understand that human can learn via spiritual senses.

Yeah. I don't put much stock into the "reality" of my dreams. I understand what dreams are and tend to forget them pretty quickly.
But then, I've never had goddesses talk to me in my dreams and show how much they knew of the universe.

And then you judge other persons visionary experiences as rambling nonsensical woo!?

Experience with a lot of woosters have made me a pretty good judge of woo and woosters.

You poor thing

Uh huh.

 

[gnostic]

Gnostic, except from the Milky Way band and it´s contours and central symbolism of light formation, there are NO ancient records of the kind you mention here,

There are no ancient records actually ever explaining “what is” the Milky Way.

And no, the ancient Egyptians could not have known about stars ionising the gases, which would cause the glow you would see. But these light - the glow - from the band occurred more locally in the Orion arm and in the Sagittarius arm.

What you or the ancient Egyptians have seen, had nothing to do with the centre of the Milky Way. No one have directly and unaided seen the galactic centre.

Even Regiomontanus had explained this, and yet you still don’t understand it.

Who is likely to know more about the Milky Way. Regiomontanus, a retired astronomer, or some ancient Egyptians who don’t even know that the Sun itself is actually a star.

The Milky Way is not a cow, nor a woman, called Hathor.

And since the Egyptians cannot possibly see the centre of our galaxy, or even known that there is a centre, then there is no possible way to associate Re or Ra with the Milky Way’s galactic centre.

Looking at the band tonight, can you see the centre? No, you couldn’t.

Can you see the “entire” Milky Way from your location? No you couldn’t.

What you really don’t understand, is that band of Milky Way, is only a small local view of the Orion spur and Sagittarius arm. You cannot see the entire length of Sagittarius arm, you would only see a tiny fraction of the arm.

Furthermore, from our Sun’s position, not only you can’t see what’s behind the Sagittarius arm, you wouldn’t even see the Crux-Scutum arm behind the Sagittarius arm, or the Norma arm behind Crux-Scutum.

So it is not just Sagittarius arm blocking our view from seeing the galactic bulge, but also the Crux-Scutum and the Norma arms behind the Sagittarius spiral. So three arms blocking our view of the bulge, and all that dust and gas between earth and the bulge.

And from the angle to view from Earth, we cannot see the band is only just small part of the spiral arm.

Does your eyes or the Egyptians’ eyes have x-ray or infrared vision?

Are your eyes have more powerful lens and better resolution than telescopes from the observatories?

I don’t think so. If that all the case, then how could have Egyptians known that there is a centre, and that centre being a falcon-headed god Re?

 

[ecco]

If that all the case, then how could have Egyptians known that there is a centre, and that centre being a falcon-headed god Re?

Hathor came to native in a dream and told him. Hathor, thousands of years ago, came to Egyptians in dreams and told them so. That's how they know and you can't prove no different. So, there.

 

[Native]

Oh, pardon me. I wasn't aware that I had to follow your links in some order you specified. I thought I could follow your links and see where they took me. I guess I should look up the forum rules to see if there's anything there about that.
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OK

f what you posted on your website or showed in your movie embarrasses you, well, maybe you should not give out any links that let us look into your mindset.

Strawman. Why would I otherwise make a public website???

Yeah. I don't put much stock into the "reality" of my dreams. I understand what dreams are and tend to forget them pretty quickly.
But then, I've never had goddesses talk to me in my dreams and show how much they knew of the universe.

Contrary to your approach here, ancient shamans, medicine man, religious seers, etc. and even Jungian Psychologists know of the importance of dreams and visions.

Experience with a lot of woosters have made me a pretty good judge of woo and woosters.

This is no excuse for insulting everyone you meet on your way.

 

[Native]

There are no ancient records actually ever explaining “what is” the Milky Way.

And for your part there never will bee either, as long as you dont investigate your huge pile of ancient myths and connects the correct gods and goddesses to the correct celestial and cosmological realms.

What you or the ancient Egyptians have seen, had nothing to do with the centre of the Milky Way. No one have directly and unaided seen the galactic centre.

Just for the fun of it: So hereafter we also refute the Egyptian Ogdoad Creation story and deny that it deal with the formation of the Sun via Re/Ra. Do you have more you wish to get deleted in your mythical mind? The entire Greek Olympus too maybe?

I dont care to deal with your inconsistent comparisons in the rest of your post. We´ve been there several times before.

 

[Native]

gnostic said: ↑
If that all the case, then how could have Egyptians known that there is a centre, and that centre being a falcon-headed god Re?

Hathor came to native in a dream and told him. Hathor, thousands of years ago, came to Egyptians in dreams and told them so. That's how they know and you can't prove no different. So, there.

To gnostic, dreams are just woo but they sort of become real when gnostic need some bad arguments against all who have significant dreams and visions.

Gnostic confuse the Egyptian god Re as the Sun and he forget to include Re´s family the Milky Way goddess, Hathor into the full story of creation. In between all this, gnostic simply refute that the ancient myths has anything to do with astronomical or cosmological contents.

He´ll never know because he isn´t open minded for ancient knowledge.

Do you yourself like to be mentioned in 3. person gossip level statements?