Ancient and Modern Creation Stories

[gnostic]

OK, let´s say, for the sake of arguments, you are right in this. Is Re = the Sun in your opinion and not the Milky Way central light? Then I have to ask you: Do you really mean it this time? Has ancient myths astronomical informations or not?

Native. I have told so many times, that it is not possible for the ancient Egyptians to equate Re to the central light of the galactic bulge, PERIOD, because the bulge cannot be seen, so they would be clueless as the size and scale of the Milky Way. From their angle, they wouldn't know that the band is only just a small part of the Sagittarius spiral arm, but they didn't know they were looking at the spiral.

The Milky Way is a lot larger than what we can see in our night sky. As I keep telling you, the interstellar cloud of dust and gases block any way to view the Milky Way's galactic bulge. No one can see (naked eye) the bulge's glow, certainly from the distance of our Earth.

That's not speculation Native, it is astronomical fact.

 

[gnostic]

As to Re being a sun god, I still think he is, based on the myths.

According to the Heliopolitan myth, sailed across from the eastern horizon to the western horizon, bringing daylight, hence his solar barque does imply he is the sun. (I don't mean literal, but symbolic and mythological.)

The Eye of Re is not only associated with a number of different goddesses, including Hathor, the Eye is clearly associated with the Sun. Tefnut, Wadjet and Sekhmet were the Eye of Re, in different myths.

The fact that each of the goddesses were associated with the sun disk, like that of Re, a falcon-headed god with sun disk on their heads.

Surely, you know of the myth about Tefnut being the Eye of Re, as the Sun, so when she ran away to Nubia, killing men, the people living in Egypt darkness, so Re had ordered Shu and Thoth to bring them back her back.

All you are doing is basing on Ogdoad creation myth, which don't really exist, as I said in my earlier reply, a reconstruction myth, based on various allusions, and none of these allusions or references in different sources, tell the whole story.

The fact of matter is that I don't trust reconstruction myth.

 

[gnostic]

#2 Warning. The Solar Light Symbolism in many myths, is often confused for the light contours of the Milky Way, the Milky Way center and even the polar rotation wheel symbolism.

Except the symbol of sun disk is round that Re and number of goddesses have, nothing like the contours of the Milky Way that you see at night.

 

[Native]

As to Re being a sun god, I still think he is, based on the myths.

Thank you. That is: Ancient myths really have astronomical content, right?

Next question: What does it then mean that Re occurs in this Egyptian Ogdoad story of creation where Re is the first "fiery entity" to show up as the result of the coming together of the 4x2 primordial elements and qualities?

What does this creation story tell you - if anything?

 

[Polymath257]

Thank you. That is: Ancient myths really have astronomical content, right?

Next question: What does it then mean that Re occurs in this Egyptian Ogdoad story of creation where Re is the first "fiery entity" to show up as the result of the coming together of the 4x2 primordial elements and qualities?

What does this creation story tell you - if anything?

That in the Egyptian mythology, the sun was the first entity to show up?

 

[Native]

Except the symbol of sun disk is round that Re and number of goddesses have, nothing like the contours of the Milky Way that you see at night.

Have you ever observed a goddess (or a Cow for that matter) with a round disk on their heads? Really?

 

[Native]

That in the Egyptian mythology, the sun was the first entity to show up?

Read the full sentence and answer the question, please.

 

[Polymath257]

Read the sentence and answer the question, please.

I did.

 

[Native]

I did.

So you noticed that this Egyptian myth deals with the creation story where the Re = Sun is the first entity to be created?

 

[Polymath257]

So you noticed that this Egyptian myth deals with the creation story where the Re = Sun is the first entity to be created?

To appear. But yes.

 

[Native]

To appear. But yes.

Fine, the Egyptian had apparently a mythical creation story of how Re (Who is interpreted to represent the Sun) was created.

Isn´t that remarkable that the Egyptians had such a knowledge for about 3.000 BC?

 

[Polymath257]

Fine, the Egyptian had apparently a mythical creation story of how Re (Who is interpreted to represent the Sun) was created.

Isn´t that remarkable that the Egyptians had such a knowledge for about 3.000 BC?

No. Why would it be? They speculated just like other cultures did.

 

[Native]

Surely, you know of the myth about Tefnut being the Eye of Re, as the Sun, so when she ran away to Nubia, killing men, the people living in Egypt darkness, so Re had ordered Shu and Thoth to bring them back her back.

What are you writing here? You have a goddess Tefnut, running around as the Eye of Re in Nubia and Egypt, and killing men!?

Does goddesses run around on the Earth?

 

[Native]

No. Why would it be? They speculated just like other cultures did.

Is that all you can say to a 3.000 BC old knowledge of creation/formation of the Sun?

 

[Polymath257]

Is that all you can say to a 3.000 BC old knowledge of creation/formation of the Sun?

I wouldn't call it 'knowledge'. I would call it myth and speculation. What else would you want to say about it?

 

[Polymath257]

What are you writing here? You have a goddess Tefnut, running around as the Eye of Re in Nubia and Egypt, and killing men!?

Does goddesses run around on the Earth?

Sure. In many mythologies, they do. So?

 

[Native]

I wouldn't call it 'knowledge'. I would call it myth and speculation. What else would you want to say about it?

If you were a little bit observant, you would now by now

 

[Native]

Sure. In many mythologies, they do. So?

Not on the Earth they don´t.

 

[gnostic]

Thank you. That is: Ancient myths really have astronomical content, right?

Only superficial knowledge in astronomy.

Just because the Egyptians equate celestial objects with one deity or another, doesn’t mean they have real understanding about Milky Way, sun, moon and stars.

 

[Native]

Only superficial knowledge in astronomy.
Just because the Egyptians equate celestial objects with one deity or another, doesn’t mean they have real understanding about Milky Way, sun, moon and stars.

Why are you then arguing at all, if you don´t take the factual mentioning of the Sun in their creation story seriously?