Why I am a good proof that there is a God

[Muffled]

Then it's a good chance to demonstrate your connection. I have a 9 digit and an 8 digit number from pi written down. Have him tell you the number, or both. Then write them in a post.

I believe that would work fine if I could get Him to do it but even the Pharisees couldn't get Jesus to do it.

 

[Muffled]

I have found taht a belief can change. I had previously believed that a spirit could not do anything physical unless it possessed a body. My wife said that a demon affected her physically but I just assumed she imagined it. Now that I have experienced it for myself my belief has changed.

 

[ratiocinator]

I believe then that the number two does not exist because it is your mind that experiences it. Can't you see hw illogical that is?

The number two is a useful abstraction, which has an agreed upon definition, whereas 'god' (at least in the sense that you seem to mean) is supposed to refer to an objectively real entity with an existence outside of people's minds. The number two doesn't exist in the sense you are claiming that your god does.

 

[Sheldon]

I believe then that the number two does not exist because it is your mind that experiences it. Can't you see how illogical that is?

I'd always assumed numbers didn't exist, but were abstract concepts? Have I been wrong all this time?

 

[Watchmen]

I believe then that the number two does not exist because it is your mind that experiences it. Can't you see how illogical that is?

The number two doesn’t exist in my mind. It is an abstraction used in mathematics, perhaps the very antithesis of god.

 

[joelr]

I believe that would work fine if I could get Him to do it but even the Pharisees couldn't get Jesus to do it.

The Pharisees didn't have you special connection.

I have an 8 digit number, a 9 digit number, three 4 digit numbers and one 5 digit number. All from a known transendental number. Get all 6 and that would be great.
So God is speaking to you, through you, giving you visions, among other things, great this should be no problem at all!

Now if all this conversation is not actual conversation then it's probably just in your mind. In communication you can get actual information you didn't have before. SO if you are having actual communication with a God outside of your imagination you will get the information.

 

[Muffled]

The number two is a useful abstraction, which has an agreed upon definition, whereas 'god' (at least in the sense that you seem to mean) is supposed to refer to an objectively real entity with an existence outside of people's minds. The number two doesn't exist in the sense you are claiming that your god does.

Would a quark be better? Have you seen one? I believe as it is with God, you can only detect it by what it does to its environment.

 

[Muffled]

I'd always assumed numbers didn't exist, but were abstract concepts? Have I been wrong all this time?

I believe as in God the concept is that of something real.

 

[Muffled]

The Pharisees didn't have you special connection.

I have an 8 digit number, a 9 digit number, three 4 digit numbers and one 5 digit number. All from a known transendental number. Get all 6 and that would be great.
So God is speaking to you, through you, giving you visions, among other things, great this should be no problem at all!

Now if all this conversation is not actual conversation then it's probably just in your mind. In communication you can get actual information you didn't have before. SO if you are having actual communication with a God outside of your imagination you will get the information.

I believe you imagine that a special relationship means I can get whatever I wish. In that case I should win the lottery but I find He will not give me the winning numbers. Homey just don't play that game.

 

[ratiocinator]

Would a quark be better? Have you seen one?

The model is objectively testable and falsifiable. Entirely unlike your claims for your god.

I believe as it is with God, you can only detect it by what it does to its environment.

What does it do in the environment? You've only made claims about what it does in your mind. How is this god objectively testable and falsifiable?

 

[Sheldon]

Would a quark be better? Have you seen one? I believe as it is with God, you can only detect it by what it does to its environment.

ok, but can you demonstrate anything beyond unevidenced anecdote that a deity has any effect on the universe? Is the claim falsifiable, testable, and does it have explanatory power beyond the assertion that a deity has done something?

 

[Sheldon]

Sheldon said: ↑
I'd always assumed numbers didn't exist, but were abstract concepts? Have I been wrong all this time?

I believe as in God the concept is that of something real.

Except numbers are not real, I just explained that, as have others. numbers are abstract concepts. If you're claiming a deity exists as more than an abstract concept, then you'd need to demonstrate something beyond anecdote and assumption. Ideally something approaching sufficient objective evidence.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Except numbers are not real, I just explained that, as have others. numbers are abstract concepts. If you're claiming a deity exists as more than an abstract concept, then you'd need to demonstrate something beyond anecdote and assumption. Ideally something approaching sufficient objective evidence.

I never understood real.
The dog is black, I get. It has fur and the color of the fur is black.
The dog is real. What is that as a property?

 

[Sheldon]

The dog is real. What is that as a property?

Compared to what, an abstract concept?

Are mermaids real in the same way dogs are?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Compared to what, an abstract concept?

Are mermaids real in the same way dogs are?

No, what is real? Mermaids are a part of how the world works as they are a part of how human cognition works, where as dogs are is another part though independent of humans, though dogs are domesticated. Both are parts of the world.

 

[Sheldon]

No, what is real?

Well you answered no, so I can only infer you have and used a concept of reality, to determine that mermaids are not real in the same objective way dogs are?

Mermaids are a part of how the world works as they are a part of how human cognition works, where as dogs are is another part though independent of humans, though dogs are domesticated. Both are parts of the world.

Mermaids exist only as an abstract concept though, wouldn't you agree? You can't have a mermaid as a pet, your kids can't play with a mermaid, you don't feed mermaids, you can't touch them, a vet has no objective medical knowledge about treating ailments that a mermaid might have, you can't buy insurance for a beloved mermaid etc etc etc. I suppose you could have a model or ornament so for the sake of clarity here I am not say they don't exist as inanimate ornaments.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Well you answered no, so I can only infer you have and used a concept of reality, to determine that mermaids are not real in the same objective way dogs are?



Mermaids exist only as an abstract concept though, wouldn't you agree? You can't have a mermaid as a pet, you kids can't play with a mermaid, you don't feed mermaids, you can't touch them, a vet has no objective medical knowledge about treating a mermaid etc etc etc.

Again, we are doing metaphysics and all the rest. I accept you do it differently.

 

[Sheldon]

Again, we are doing metaphysics and all the rest. I accept you do it differently.

Well that isn't telling me anything really, how are you claiming the abstract concept of a mermaid is different to you than me?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Well that isn't telling me anything really, how are you claiming the abstract concept of a mermaid is different to you than me?

Okay. This requires a new thread and not just for this thread. The problem is that I don't have the energy to walk through over 2000+ years history of all those words like truth, real, proof, logic, evidence, objective, reality and a lot more.
In other words. I have read a lot of weird books and you don't care about that, because that is weird and so there is no reason to continue. That is it. You and I are humans, but we are different for culture and as far as I can tell you take your culture for granted. I accept that.

So here is a reductio ad absurdum on being non-morally wrong.
Someone to me: You are wrong.
Me: I know. That is part of how the world works. But I am still here. So that is the end of that

 

[joelr]

I believe you imagine that a special relationship means I can get whatever I wish. In that case I should win the lottery but I find He will not give me the winning numbers. Homey just don't play that game.

If you cannot get winning lotter numbers that that is some proof this is only in your mind.
You claim he speaks, gives visions, heals illness, keeps you from sin and gives understanding while the majority of even religious people still sin, get sick, do not have visions, do not heal from disease and have trouble understanding many thins on a regular basis.
Yet you seem to think he would not provide some simple evidence? This is highly unlikely . If you can speak to a God and it does all this for you it should also provide some evidence.

You claim to be proof. Not only that but "good proof" yet everything you do can be delusions, your own mind understanding things and your own immune system healing diseases.
SO this isn't even close to proof never mind good proof.

Obviously a God would know this. Ask him for those numbers if you want to provide "good proof".
There is a man in Austraillia right now who has a large following, he claims to be Jesus. He claims all the things you claim. If you cannot provide actual proof then you are the same as this guy.

1.God speaks to me.
2. God gives me dreams and visons.
3. God heals my diseases.
4. God keeps me from sin.
5. God helps me to understand