Legality of polygamy

[oldbadger]

That was my understanding, as well. Wives are usually fine with polygamous relationships.

Polygamy means that one man may have several wives, but there are some men who have none.

I wonder what would happen if wives could also have several husbands. It seems like a disaster waiting to happen for STDs like AIDS. It might greatly complicate custody battles.

Where I live AIDs was carried far and wide by blood transfusions ......
Some women do have more than one partner, lover or mate.

 

[oldbadger]

True, criminal fraudsters do not pay most American taxes. I bet you it is now found out that
Trump is one of these.
But the TOP ONE PERCENT PAY FORTY PERCENT OF THE TAXES, AND THE TOP FIVE
PERCENT PAY SIXTY PERCENT OF TAXES.
So yes, the middle class pass the other forty percent.
But if you take every last cent from say Elon Musk, and give it to everyone on earth, that will
work out to what.... $37 each. And you have dissolved the companies that do such good
(presuming no-one is game to pony up $350 billon for his companies and be subject to the
same demands) For many 'rich' people their wealth is tied to their companies - dismantle them,
give everyone a brick or nail each and tell them they are part owners of the wealth. And lay off
millions.

Let's not think of ways for single persons to have billions when so many have nothing.
Clever arguments to avoid good livings for all are simply wicked.

 

[Valjean]

But they notoriously hide their money in tax shelters and off shore accounts.

Large corporations typically pay no taxes, and rich people typically pay lower tax rates than those working for them.

 

[firedragon]

In the Quran Sura 4:3 polygamy is conditional upon being just which is impossible so the intention here is monogamy but as polygamy was rife, the weaning off it was explained as an unjust practice and that justice was the right path.

It’s like saying it’s ok to take poison as long as it doesn’t make you sick.

Please try not to bring the Qur'an into this. conversation. Please read the OP. It is not about the details of polygamy. If you read, you will understand.

 

[firedragon]

I looked at an Army uniform, and it said "US Army," so I assume that the enemy's uniform says "THEM Army."

Good for you.

 

[firedragon]

When I think of Buddhism, I think of a peaceful religion. I am amazed that the Buddhist priests encited riots over polygamy.

The problem is, you have no clue.

 

[Valjean]

I only hope that deceived spouses can find release in their own private ways, or better still, divorce and seize assets for future security.

I had several Muslim colleagues here (UK) and one had three wives....these wives were all friends together and didn't mind their husband staying with the others, in fact one of the wives preferred him to leave her alone if possible. I think that folks just assume how others feel about marriage, just applying their own ideas to all situations. As soon as polygamous-marriage wives are asked then a whole differing spectrum of answers come back. One colleague met his wife not long before their arranged marriage (she was the daughter of a very wealthy Pakistani businessman) and he explained to me that they just discussed their situation and got on with their new relationship....it budded in to a most loving couple with three children.

Perhaps an open marriage...

Sexual access or exclusivity is a very big deal among those of Abrahamic background. In other cultures, though, not so much. In some cultures sex its hardly a consideration at all, or may not be related to marriage.

Its a mistake to assume one's own culture represents universal values or patterns. Anthropology 101.

 

[PruePhillip]

Let's not think of ways for single persons to have billions when so many have nothing.
Clever arguments to avoid good livings for all are simply wicked.

Ok, take Musk.
He wanted to go to Mars. He made money by taking on the financial institutions with a
system call Paypal. He got shoved out of his own company. So he took that money and
created SpaceX. No rocket engineer wanted to work for him so he had to design his own
rocket (which is incredibly, frankly.) He lost three rockets in a row. Everyone, even NASA,
laughed at his idea of a private rocket in orbit. After rocket three he had no money and
said if number four fails, that's it. And then people laughed at his idea of landing a rocket,
even on a barge at sea.
And so on...

So should we take that SpaceX money off him and give it to people who did not in any
way contribute to his success?

It's the same with Tesla. Got to the stage where he couldn't pay wages, working seven
days a week, sleeping on factory floor, trying to raise capital, laughed at over his battery
car, busted his marriages......

Muslk lives in a 50k portable. No mansion, no yatch. Every last cent he puts back into his
company. He's the only one who can take on China auto.

Should we take that money off him? We could, and that's the way America is heading.

 

[oldbadger]

Its a mistake to assume one's own culture represents universal values or patterns. Anthropology 101.

Yes.
This is one reason why it's best to exclude religion from national education curriculums and governments.

 

[oldbadger]

Ok, take Musk.
He wanted to go to Mars. He made money by taking on the financial institutions with a
system call Paypal.

Rubbish.
PayPal was born through a need for eBay users to buy and sell, and then it became what it is now.
You can purchase almost anything with PayPal now. It had no competition, was not borne to take on anybody.

(Musk) got shoved out of his own company. So he took that money and
created SpaceX.
So should we take that SpaceX money off him and give it to people who did not in any
way contribute to his success?

Taxation is not about taking everybody's money off them, it's about providing services to communities through taxation.
Musk just needs to pay taxes which I expect he does.

It's the same with Tesla. Got to the stage where he couldn't pay wages, working seven
days a week, sleeping on factory floor, trying to raise capital, laughed at over his battery
car, busted his marriages......

Should we take that money off him? We could, and that's the way America is heading.

Rubbish.
All Tesla has to do is pay his taxes which he probably does!

Question:
Are you supporting the disgusting crimes of tax evasion, money laundering or do you support taxation to provide your education, health, police social services etc, oh, and all those massive war planes and ships.....or not?

 

[PruePhillip]

Rubbish.
PayPal was born through a need for eBay users to buy and sell, and then it became what it is now.
You can purchase almost anything with PayPal now. It had no competition, was not borne to take on anybody.


Taxation is not about taking everybody's money off them, it's about providing services to communities through taxation.
Musk just needs to pay taxes which I expect he does.


Rubbish.
All Tesla has to do is pay his taxes which he probably does!

Question:
Are you supporting the disgusting crimes of tax evasion, money laundering or do you support taxation to provide your education, health, police social services etc, oh, and all those massive war planes and ships.....or not?

So here's a man dedicated to a vision of the future - owns no mansion, has
a 50k modular house, doesn't take many holidays and often sleeps in his
factories. He has a vision of an electrified society, self driving cars which
help with congestion and road tolls, is opening space to everyone, taking
mining and industry off earth, working on a road tunnel system, exploring
ideas to suck carbon out of the atmosphere and electric planes..... and
there's people, even in the Biden Admin who see him as disgusting, tax
evaders (he pays 55%) money launderer etc..

Bottom line, you hate him because he's rich and you are not.

As an aside, Paypal was created to pre-empt the big institutions like Visa,
Mastercard, American Express etc getting a monopoly. Musk and his team
prevented that.

 

[oldbadger]

Bottom line, you hate him because he's rich and you are not.

Rubbish.....
I have not even focused upon Tesla.
Let everyone pay their taxes.

Bottom line..... You seem to be encouraging tax evasion and money laundering. True?

As an aside, Paypal was created to pre-empt the big institutions like Visa,
Mastercard, American Express etc getting a monopoly. Musk and his team
prevented that.

Rubbish.
PayPal was created as a service to eBay users. That's why I joined with it. Excellent service.

I also bank with two main banks.

 

[PruePhillip]

Rubbish.....
I have not even focused upon Tesla.
Let everyone pay their taxes.

Bottom line..... You seem to be encouraging tax evasion and money laundering. True?


Rubbish.
PayPal was created as a service to eBay users. That's why I joined with it. Excellent service.

I also bank with two main banks.

Ha ha ha... you don't get what I am saying. Paypal was the first major on-line payment system.
Many thought someone like Visa would get there first. That doesn't mean there's no Visa !!!!!
Who said I support tax evasion? I am no Trump supporter. Musk, like most billionaires, pay
their taxes - we know that because of the massive tax receipts that fund most of the government.
Remember - top 5% pay 60%, and that isn't opinion, it's tax receipts.
On top of Musk's 55% (interview about this last week) his companies pay company taxes and his
growing army of workers pay income tax too. And I suppose there's luxury tax and sale tax too.

 

[oldbadger]

Ha ha ha... you don't get what I am saying. Paypal was the first major on-line payment system.
Many thought someone like Visa would get there first. That doesn't mean there's no Visa !!!!!

You were saying that PayPal was set up against the banks. Totally daft
PayPal works with the banks. I have had over 1000 deals through PayPal and no probs.

Who said I support tax evasion?

So you support taxes and tax payment. So you hate the rich like you pretend that I do.

I am no Trump supporter. Musk, like most billionaires, pay
their taxes - we know that because of the massive tax receipts that fund most of the government.

What rubbish.
Your government runs on trillions, not billions.
Everybody who pays taxes is supporting the government.

Remember - top 5% pay 60%, and that isn't opinion, it's tax receipts.

Give us all a big laugh. Tell us how you would collect taxes to fund your government.

 

[PruePhillip]

You were saying that PayPal was set up against the banks. Totally daft
PayPal works with the banks. I have had over 1000 deals through PayPal and no probs.


So you support taxes and tax payment. So you hate the rich like you pretend that I do.



What rubbish.
Your government runs on trillions, not billions.
Everybody who pays taxes is supporting the government.


Give us all a big laugh. Tell us how you would collect taxes to fund your government.

Sigh... you are changing the subject and the point. I didn't say Pay Pal isn't replacing banks. PP
works with many financial institutions - but these institutions didn't get to dominate the on-line
world like PP did.
The top 5% in USA pay over 2.2 Trillion dollars, according to the math.
I don't hate the poor, the middle or the rich. Don't hate anyone, even haters themselves.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

So why do many married guys take lovers?

In my opinion? They are selfish cowards.

Men tend to take lovers when they aren't getting something they want/need from their spouse.

Rather than 1.) Talk to their spouse to work out the issue, or 2.) Decide that it isn't working and get a divorce, or 3.) Stick it out and try to find satisfaction in other (less selfish) ways - they cheat.

That must be quite stressful at times.

I'm sure it is - which is why I'm glad I will never have to worry about it.

 

[Katzpur]

In the mormon community, polygamy is more widespread than any other community I have come across, even throughout history. But I don't have statistics for this. Nothing syndicated.

I'm assuming you're referring to "Mormon splinter groups when you say this." The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has prohibited polygamy for something like 125 years now, and any member of the Church found to be involved in the practice today is promptly excommunicated. There are no exceptions. (And by the way, the distinction between the various splinter groups and the LDS Church is not the same as the distinction between Sunni and Sufi Muslims, both of whom accept the fact that they are all Muslim. It's more like the distinction between Roman Catholics and Lutherans.)

 

[loverofhumanity]

In a lot of countries due to an old UN intrusion the country would have a different law for religious minorities. In some countries it goes for even minority races. In places like India the so called "low caste" would get some government benefits the so called "higher caste" would not get. Some of them are a bit jealous. This kind of different systems exist in many countries, in many circumstances.

This particular thread is to explore the morality or the sensibility or what ever angle you would like to look at, the legality of polygamy.

Typically this would be polygeny because we are addressing Islam directly, and it is wide spread, global, and various countries with lets say, "secular laws", like India, England, etc would have a different law for non-muslims where polygamy is illegal, unlike muslims, and that polyandry is out of the question.

I remember reading some stats about India where thought Muslims are given the right to polygamy, non-muslims in India have polygamous marriages far more than muslims. But, the question is, is it fair to give muslims one law, and the rest of the community another law. Some of the Buddhist countries in Asia have been murderously against this law calling it discrimination towards the Buddhist majority. Some Buddhist monks have engaged in creating riots over these kind of things which developed into lynching and killing of several people including a child of 9. That is, ignoring Myanmar. So the bottomline is, the sentiment of discrimination seems to linger in the majority of these countries where the minority muslims are given the right to have polygamous marriages. Some have suggested that this could be a jealousy, but there is no real evidence that every one in a country like England wishes to marry more than one lady. So if there is a jealousy in this counting, it could be with some very rich guy or an underworld don who wishes to have a small harem. And anyway that could be achieved easily with no law needed. So all of these theories seem lame. Is it fair to let the minority Muslims have a different law allowing polygeny or is it their right to have it?

What do you think of this situation? How do you judge this situation?

It is a practice that was handed down by tradition nothing more. There is no legal basis to polygamy by any religion or race.

 

[firedragon]

It is a practice that was handed down by tradition nothing more. There is no legal basis to polygamy by any religion or race.

Thats not really the question.

 

[oldbadger]

Sigh... you are changing the subject and the point. I didn't say Pay Pal isn't replacing banks. PP
works with many financial institutions - but these institutions didn't get to dominate the on-line
world like PP did.

You told us that Paypal was 'taking on' the banks!
You told us a load of waffle, as in post 148:-
PruePhillip said: ↑
Ok, take Musk.
He wanted to go to Mars. He made money by taking on the financial institutions with a
system call Paypal.

............ and now you are forced to agree with us how PP 'works with the financial institutions'.....

The top 5% in USA pay over 2.2 Trillion dollars, according to the math.

So what?
Ability and the gifted are able to be rich, whereas inability struggles for crumbs under the table. If you think that this is ok then you clearly don't understand what true humanity is all about.

I don't hate the poor, the middle or the rich. Don't hate anyone, even haters themselves.

Let them all eat cake?