The Qualities of a God

[firedragon]

Perhaps recognizing the attributes of a God is not as important as recognizing Satan? I believe that a lot of pious people follow Satan and don't even know it. Remember, Satan poses as God or God's helper. Satan pretends that He (Satan) is fighting evil, though some think that he is evil.

I guess you are just replying to all posts you see with what ever comes to your mind as a hobby.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It's probably a bad idea to ask those people to define God for you, then, because they are clearly confused as to what it means to be God, and to be human. In their minds, 'magic' somehow overcomes the logical contradiction of presuming that Jesus was fully both. You can argue with me about this all you want, but in the end you aren't going to get a logical answer out of them, because they're ignoring the illogical contradictions that they've accepted as truth. So, good luck with it.

That's right: all those people who sincerely believe that one third of the Trinity is both fully God and fully man diagree with you, so their points of disagreement must be "illogical contradictions"... as if declaring this means that they don't actually believe what they believe.

 

[PureX]

Emperor Hirohito was thought to be descended from the sun. ("My son the doctor" is a common statement....in this case, it's "my son the sun)."

Hirohito seemed like an amiable man. He even donated a Japanese cherry orchard to various organizations. Yet, what did he do about WWII? Torture camps in Germany and the killing of 6 million Jews? The take over by armed aggression of peaceful nations? Was the sun God powerless to stop men? Was the sun God powerless to speak up? Or, contrary to Hirohito's post-war statements, was he implicated in Axis activities?

Some men are born to be called God-kings. Many Egyptians of antiquity held such titles. Yet, their awesome power was weilded by politics, wealth, inherited title, and just plain fear (and lots of it).

On the other hand, why couldn't a human be a God? Jesus was thought to be a God by some. On the other hand, there are many Christians who believe that Jesus was the son of God and Mary, and only God is God.

But if humans can be gods, there is no point to there being gods.

 

[PureX]

Emperor Hirohito was thought to be descended from the sun. ("My son the doctor" is a common statement....in this case, it's "my son the sun)."

Hirohito seemed like an amiable man. He even donated a Japanese cherry orchard to various organizations. Yet, what did he do about WWII? Torture camps in Germany and the killing of 6 million Jews? The take over by armed aggression of peaceful nations? Was the sun God powerless to stop men? Was the sun God powerless to speak up? Or, contrary to Hirohito's post-war statements, was he implicated in Axis activities?

Some men are born to be called God-kings. Many Egyptians of antiquity held such titles. Yet, their awesome power was weilded by politics, wealth, inherited title, and just plain fear (and lots of it).

On the other hand, why couldn't a human be a God? Jesus was thought to be a God by some. On the other hand, there are many Christians who believe that Jesus was the son of God and Mary, and only God is God.

But if humans can be gods, there is no point to there being any gods.

 

[PureX]

That's right: all those people who sincerely believe that one third of the Trinity is both fully God and fully man diagree with you, so their points of disagreement must be "illogical contradictions"... as if declaring this means that they don't actually believe what they believe.

I don't care that they disagree, I care that the disagreement makes no logical sense. There is no human named Jesus that is also God. So already we're discussing a fantasy, not a reality. See what I mean? If you're asking about illogical fantasy attributes, then by all means, ask them. But if you're asking for some logical possible attributes of God-men, there aren't any.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I don't care that they disagree, I care that the disagreement makes no logical sense.

And you think that people can't believe things that make no logical sense?

There is no human named Jesus that is also God. So already we're discussing a fantasy, not a reality. See what I mean?

Yes, I see what you mean: you disagree with their belief, so you've decided it isn't a belief at all.

If you're asking about illogical fantasy attributes, then by all means, ask them. But if you're asking for some logical possible attributes of God-men, there aren't any.

Heh... I'd go back a few steps and say that gods across the board including yours are by all indications "irrational fantasies," IMO.

So you disagree with the idea of god-men... good for you; I'd be inclined to agree with you on that point. But this nonsense about how they aren't even a part of theism... that's just detached from reality.

Honestly, talking to you is like talking to a fundamentalist the way you try to negate and invalidate other people's perspectives just because they disagree with you.

... but as inconvenient as you may find it personally, people have believed in god-men as long as they've believed in gods. People really did - and still do - believe in and worship Heracles, Jesus, Divus Augustus, Haille Selassie, etc., etc.

 

[PureX]

Heh... I'd go back a few steps and say that gods across the board including yours are by all indications "irrational fantasies," IMO.

So why are you even asking if you've clearly already made up your mind that ANY answer you get will be wrong?

That seems like a rather silly and underhanded thing to do. Doesn't it?

 

[Daniel Nicholson]

I'm pretty sure this is a remix of a thread I created a few years back, but for the life of me cannot find it (not that I spent much time looking).

So here it is...

In another thread, a member asked if one can be a god, or if one can know one is a god.

To answer such a question, one would have to know what qualities or attributes a god would have.

So what are the qualities of a god? What qualifications would one have to have to be considered a god?

I had a recent thread called "Qualities of your God" if you want to have a look at that. The convo fizzled out after about 2 pages

 

[Sheldon]

In another thread, a member asked if one can be a god, or if one can know one is a god.

To answer such a question, one would have to know what qualities or attributes a god would have.

So what are the qualities of a god? What qualifications would one have to have to be considered a god?

How would one know this? Where would such knowledge be attained, and why can't it be shared with everyone if it is objective facts or information?

 

[Sheldon]

By nearly every definition of a god ever devised, a human cannot be a god. There have been many that presumed themselves to be gods and made others play along with it on pain of death. But in the end no one ever really believed them.

Jesus?

On the ether hand, we humans tend to endow people, places, and things with god-like powers even though they don't and shouldn't have them. We are programmed to establish and follow heirarchy, and will tend to do so blindly and automatically. Making whomever sits at the top of the heirarchy the equivalent of a god.

Or create them and see them and their "god like powers" everywhere, even though there is no objective evidence they exist at all. Indeed no objective evidence a deity is even possible.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I thought of asking the Tarot, but I think that maybe no complete answer could be furnished from any given draw. In the beginning of any creation story, god builds, god grows, and god indicates the start of a progression. So it is with the tarot, it starts with a 'fool,' and not before journeying through all points mundane and surreal, it ends with 'the world.' The fool gains the world. But not before transcending everything, apparently, consisting of the whole range of material and spiritual desires, and experiences. That's all you can know about god, is that it values this progression

 

[ameyAtmA]

Bhagavad Geeta 16.1,2,3
The Supreme Divine Personality (KRshNa) said: O scion of Bharat, these are the saintly virtues of those endowed with a divine nature (daivi sampadA - divine treasure) —

fearlessness, (abhay)
purity of mind, (sattva saumshuddhi)
steadfastness in spiritual knowledge, (dnyAna yoga vyavasthitah: ]
charity, [of any kind, not just money - highest charity is charity of fearlessness - abhaydaan]
control of the senses,
sacrifice,
study of the sacred books,
austerity,
and straightforwardness;
non-violence,
truthfulness,
absence of anger,
renunciation,
peacefulness,
restraint from fault-finding,
toward all living beings,
absence of covetousness, [jealousy, envy included]
gentleness,
modesty,
and lack of fickleness;
vigor,
forgiveness,
fortitude,
cleanliness,
bearing enmity toward none, and
absence of vanity.

Qualities of the Supreme - VishNu-SahastranAma : Thousand names of VishNu
This post lists 46 out of 1000 names of VishNu that are generic enough that people from other religions may also be able to relate to.

 

[MyM]

I see that would be the Messengers. As they are the first and the last, so they are one and all, all the names. Who else has shown us God, but the Messengers?

Regards Tony

Sorry to burst your bubble, but these are Allah's names and attributes. We have no right in Islam, to say they are the prophets and messengers pbu-them-all. No human has all these qualities and attributes in one.-especially if one claims how the prophets act from the Bible Allah is the only one worthy of worship.

 

[Come2thelight]

I'm pretty sure this is a remix of a thread I created a few years back, but for the life of me cannot find it (not that I spent much time looking).

So here it is...

In another thread, a member asked if one can be a god, or if one can know one is a god.

To answer such a question, one would have to know what qualities or attributes a god would have.

So what are the qualities of a god? What qualifications would one have to have to be considered a god?

Hello and I hope you are well. As Muslims, we have 99 names that we attribute to God.

Understanding these names is key to understanding Allah.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

............... So what are the qualities of a god? What qualifications would one have to have to be considered a god?

Bible qualifications are that God 'has' wisdom, God 'has' mercy, God 'has' justice, and that: God " IS " love.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but these are Allah's names and attributes. We have no right in Islam, to say they are the prophets and messengers pbu-them-all. No human has all these qualities and attributes in one.-especially if one claims how the prophets act from the Bible Allah is the only one worthy of worship.

I agree with the Quran that Allah is the only one worshipped, yet who knows Allah?

Many make false God's of their own imagination, the Messengers are the only Mirrors of Allah in this matrix.

I like to consider that no one knows Allah. The only way we know of Allah is via the Names and Attributes Allah has bestowed upon His chosen Messengers.

I also like to consider that the only way we know what it is to live an Attribute, is because Allah's Messengers were those attributes. If we want to know what it is to be truly meek, the Messenger is the embodiment of meek. If we want to know what true power is, the Messenger is the Embodiment of that Power.

That a specific Messenger did not display all the Names of Allah, or did not display all.the Attributes of Allah, does not mean they are not an Inherent part of the Messenger.

Baha'u'llah offered for us to consider about the Messengers,

"....The Bearers of the Trust of God are made manifest unto the peoples of the earth as the Exponents of a new Cause and the Revealers of a new Message. Inasmuch as these Birds of the celestial Throne are all sent down from the heaven of the Will of God, and as they all arise to proclaim His irresistible Faith, they, therefore, are regarded as one soul and the same person. For they all drink from the one Cup of the love of God, and all partake of the fruit of the same Tree of Oneness.....They are all invested with the robe of prophethood, and are honored with the mantle of glory. Thus hath Muḥammad, the Point of the Qur’án, revealed: “I am all the Prophets.” Likewise, He saith: “I am the first Adam, Noah, Moses, and Jesus.” Similar statements have been made by Imám ‘Alí. Sayings such as these, which indicate the essential unity of those Exponents of Oneness, have also emanated from the Channels of God’s immortal utterance, and the Treasuries of the gems of Divine knowledge, and have been recorded in the Scriptures. These Countenances are the recipients of the Divine Command, and the Day Springs of His Revelation......It is clear and evident to thee that all the Prophets are the Temples of the Cause of God, Who have appeared clothed in divers attire. If thou wilt observe with discriminating eyes, thou wilt behold Them all abiding in the same tabernacle, soaring in the same heaven, seated upon the same throne, uttering the same speech, and proclaiming the same Faith. Such is the unity of those Essences of Being, those Luminaries of infinite and immeasurable splendor! Wherefore, should one of these Manifestations of Holiness proclaim saying: “I am the return of all the Prophets,” He, verily, speaketh the truth. In like manner, in every subsequent Revelation, the return of the former Revelation is a fact, the truth of which is firmly established…."

Full Tablet here. Bahá'í Reference Library - Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, Pages 50-56

Regards Tony

 

[MyM]

Bible qualifications are that God 'has' wisdom, God 'has' mercy, God 'has' justice, and that: God " IS " love.

You are missing out the entire OT he isn't "just love" he has his wrath and vengeance.

 

[MyM]

I agree with the Quran that Allah is the only one worshipped, yet who knows Allah?

Many make false God's of their own imagination, the Messengers are the only Mirrors of Allah in this matrix.

I like to consider that no one knows Allah. The only way we know of Allah is via the Names and Attributes Allah has bestowed upon His chosen Messengers.

I also like to consider that the only way we know what it is to live an Attribute, is because Allah's Messengers were those attributes. If we want to know what it is to be truly meek, the Messenger is the embodiment of meek. If we want to know what true power is, the Messenger is the Embodiment of that Power.

That a specific Messenger did not display all the Names of Allah, or did not display all.the Attributes of Allah, does not mean they are not an Inherent part of the Messenger.

Baha'u'llah offered for us to consider about the Messengers,

"....The Bearers of the Trust of God are made manifest unto the peoples of the earth as the Exponents of a new Cause and the Revealers of a new Message. Inasmuch as these Birds of the celestial Throne are all sent down from the heaven of the Will of God, and as they all arise to proclaim His irresistible Faith, they, therefore, are regarded as one soul and the same person. For they all drink from the one Cup of the love of God, and all partake of the fruit of the same Tree of Oneness.....They are all invested with the robe of prophethood, and are honored with the mantle of glory. Thus hath Muḥammad, the Point of the Qur’án, revealed: “I am all the Prophets.” Likewise, He saith: “I am the first Adam, Noah, Moses, and Jesus.” Similar statements have been made by Imám ‘Alí. Sayings such as these, which indicate the essential unity of those Exponents of Oneness, have also emanated from the Channels of God’s immortal utterance, and the Treasuries of the gems of Divine knowledge, and have been recorded in the Scriptures. These Countenances are the recipients of the Divine Command, and the Day Springs of His Revelation......It is clear and evident to thee that all the Prophets are the Temples of the Cause of God, Who have appeared clothed in divers attire. If thou wilt observe with discriminating eyes, thou wilt behold Them all abiding in the same tabernacle, soaring in the same heaven, seated upon the same throne, uttering the same speech, and proclaiming the same Faith. Such is the unity of those Essences of Being, those Luminaries of infinite and immeasurable splendor! Wherefore, should one of these Manifestations of Holiness proclaim saying: “I am the return of all the Prophets,” He, verily, speaketh the truth. In like manner, in every subsequent Revelation, the return of the former Revelation is a fact, the truth of which is firmly established…."

Full Tablet here. Bahá'í Reference Library - Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, Pages 50-56

Regards Tony

I take sources from the Quran and Sunnah and authenticated sources. We do not attribute anything of ourselves as being compared to Allah. No one is comparable unto Him.

What gives this Bahai the right to interpret the Quran and Sunnah "his way"? He is not qualified.

 

[ppp]

I take sources from the Quran and Sunnah and authenticated sources. We do not attribute anything of ourselves as being compared to Allah. No one is comparable unto Him.

What gives this Bahai the right to interpret the Quran and Sunnah "his way"? He is not qualified.

I guess that they don't agree.

 

[MyM]

I guess that they don't agree.

obviously