Ask About Islam

[KWED]

You think women are so turned off by a power imbalance? Actually it is the natural order of the world to this day that men have more power than women. Women seem to like powerful men in general.

So you think that women are turned on by being captive and powerless?
*smh*
Literally no words.

 

[MyM]

They say it is not. How can we non-muslims tell the difference?

Look at the almost 2 billion of Muslims thats how you can tell. They are NOT ISIS OR THE TALIBAN.

 

[MyM]

Oh we do listen but never really get a straight answer to direct questions about islam,apologetics and the no true Scotsmen fallacy aplenty but a straight answer no.

BULLCRAP.

 

[ppp]

You think women are so turned off by a power imbalance?

I have no idea how you got that out of what I just said.

 

[muhammad_isa]

So the "rules of war" do not apply during war?

..so it would seem. People lie.

 

[ppp]

Look at the almost 2 billion of Muslims thats how you can tell. They are NOT ISIS OR THE TALIBAN.

A subset of those two billion are. And they subset of those two billion are not. You claim they're not real Muslims. They claim you're not real Muslims.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Your analogy fails because the act of using female captives for sex is explicitly allowed in the Quran and sunnah..

You are morally bankrupt. I wouldn't expect you to understand.
You encourage the concept of "sex by consent", and shun the institution of marriage.

 

[ppp]

You are morally bankrupt. I wouldn't expect you to understand.
You encourage the concept of "sex by consent", and shun the institution of marriage.

How is a morally bankrupt to say that one should not have sex with someone who doesn't consent?

 

[muhammad_isa]

A subset of those two billion are. And they subset of those two billion are not. You claim they're not real Muslims. They claim you're not real Muslims.

We are not claiming that people aren't Muslims, at least I'm not.
We are saying that they are not behaving like a believer should, despite them claiming they are.

War makes people behave badly. Religion can be an excuse.
If people are severely oppressed, don't be surprised if they become hostile.

 

[muhammad_isa]

How is a morally bankrupt to say that one should not have sex with someone who doesn't consent?

The point is that the system of "adult consent" has become uppermost due to people's dismissal of marriage.
How can a person who dismisses the morality of marriage be an authority on what is moral?

As far as a believer is concerned, they cannot.
Common-law relationships have become "the norm".

 

[KWED]

Look at the almost 2 billion of Muslims thats how you can tell. They are NOT ISIS OR THE TALIBAN.

You cannot point to individual Muslims and say "That is true Islam", because most Muslims are different and approach Islam differently.
The only way to accurately assess what islam is, is to look at the Quran and sunnah say, and where that is not clear, consult an authoritative tafsir.

If you claim that how Muslims behave is what Islam is, then which Muslims are you talking about? The Taliban? The Muslim Brotherhood? The Saudi government? Every Muslim in Pakistan? The Muslim Council of Britain? The 50% of UK Muslims who think homosexuality should be a criminal offence? My mates at uni who occasionally drank and had girlfriends?
All of them? None of them?

 

[MyM]

Yes that was a common creation story, It's from the Mesopotamian creation story -

"Genesis 1–11 as a whole is imbued with Mesopotamian myths.[17][21] Genesis 1 bears both striking differences from and striking similarities to Babylon's national creation myth, the Enuma Elish.[18] On the side of similarities, both begin from a stage of chaotic waters before anything is created, in both a fixed dome-shaped "firmament" divides these waters from the habitable Earth, and both conclude with the creation of a human called "man" and the building of a temple for the god (in Genesis 1, this temple is the entire cosmos)."
Genesis creation narrative - Wikipedia




Right except you denied the evolutionary process in this thread? So that's weird. Generally when you oppose some science that has ridiculous amounts of evidence, in a debate forum, then that's what it's about? But ok, not about that then.



Right, astronomy and embryos existed when the Quran was written. People were beginning to form understandings of both. So if the Quran mentions something that was far beyond the science of the time, like neutron stars then great. Can you provide some evidence?
That's great that you have a belief and you think a book is a fact. There are over 1 billion Hindu who also have a belief and have a book of "facts". Same for Christianity. I'm not super interested in what your standards of evidence are, but ok? I'm asking for evidence. The thread is titled "Ask about Islam" and you answer to my query regarding evidence is you don't need scientific evidences.
Cool, neither do any religions.
They all also say they are all fact. So do you have any evidence?

WOW

nothing so specific as the explanation of the waters exist in the Bible. The Quran was the first to explain it. duh.

I stated that the Quran has the evidences that scientists are now finding out that no way over 1400 years ago was even known. You deny that but that's not my fault.

I believe the book as fact because it is proven in itself. There was no way anyone knew about embryology over 1400 and how the baby formed etc. THE QURAN DID. There are loads of evidences in the Quran but people will deny them because they don't believe in God.

I refuse to discuss evolution with athiests and if that upsets you in this thread go find another thread to discuss. I already explained it before and if you want to know, please go back and search and you might even know that I have. I have given the Quranic evidences and ahadith but yet, it is a constant battle of belittlement and ridicule from the athiests so that is why I do not discuss evolution anymore with athiests. If you find that wrong, that's your problem not mine. Athiests who come here to "ask" with sincerity I can give. But then, that is also a way athiests try to start talking about evolution and then they feel so superior over everyone else because they think they know more. Not the case with Muslims, you will never be able to defeat a Muslim believer who believes that Allah is the only one worthy of worship.

I am not here to challenge athiests on what they believe. I will discuss with those who want to learn, not to degrade and act like a superior know-it-all and if things do not go their way, they come back with sarcastic remarks.

If you want to learn about some of the sciences in the Quran the video I posted below will enlighten you.

 

[KWED]

You are morally bankrupt.

In what way? Because I object to slavery and using female captives for sex?

I wouldn't expect you to understand.

I understand only too well. You are caught in the turmoil of having to defend actions that you innately feel are wrong.

You encourage the concept of "sex by consent",

All sex must be consensual. Do you disagree?

and shun the institution of marriage.

No I don't. I recognise it as a legitimate means of confirming a relationship. But it is not the only way to do that.

 

[ppp]

We are saying that they are not behaving like a believer should, despite them claiming they are.

Okay. You're claiming they're not acting as a believer should. They claim that they are. You claim that you're acting as a believer, should. They claim you're not.
Now what?

 

[MyM]

Yes I can.
I know it is circular logic. That is my argument.
I only believe those that can show me that they can speak inside the circle.
If they dont speak inside the circle then they are just making things up. They are alone and not part of the group that speaks as one.

Mohammad speaks inside the circle. So I have accepted him as a prophet.

But Baha'u'llah does not speak inside the circle. Even though he says he speaks for God his words show he is not a prophet. He uses religious wording but doesnt show he knows the circle.

True prophets speak in symbols.
Their words are symbolic but not open to interpretation. They mean what they say.

They are all speaking symbols into positions of the circle.

Have you ever thought that because you take things from Islam, that is where your religion is made up from? I don't understand how one can quote Quran and hadith and yet not make their own religion from it. This is something in Islam that is extremely forbidden. If you think that they are not open to interpretation, then what gave the right to bab or whoever to change the meaning of the Quran into something advantageous for them? No sincere believing Muslim will ever acknowledge this Bab or Bahullah over Allah and Mohammad pbuh. Just weird to me is all

 

[muhammad_isa]

Okay. You're claiming they're not acting as a believer should. They claim that they are. You claim that you're acting as a believer, should. They claim you're not.
Now what?

Leave it to G-d.
He knows who is sincere and who is not.

 

[ppp]

The point is that the system of "adult consent" has become uppermost due to people's dismissal of marriage.

That is false.

 

[MyM]

I keep hearing about all this science in the Quran and I haven't seem anything yet? I have seen non-believers = painful doom.

Listen and learn then.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I understand only too well. You are caught in the turmoil of having to defend actions that you innately feel are wrong.

No turmoil.
Sex outside of marriage is wrong.

You don't believe that, so all your moral accusations, as far as I'm concerned, are deeply flawed.

 

[ppp]

Leave it to G-d.

No. Until a human can show that there is a correct interpretation, you are all sincere believers.