Ask About Islam

[Sheldon]

Okra is my favorite veg. It is a perfect universe to me
irrational thinking - Well I will stop here because I am speechless. I am not sure if you didn't get the question or just want to be funny

Just for my edification, could you briefly explain what you think rational means?

 

[ppp]

Okra is my favorite veg. It is a perfect universe to me
irrational thinking - Well I will stop here because I am speechless. I am not sure if you didn't get the question or just want to be funny

I was being funny with the okra. I hate it. Except in gumbo. As far as the irrational thinking goes... I'm not sure why you think that I would be kidding or that I didn't get the question there. Help me out?

 

[muhammad_isa]

And he taught to to believe that rape is sometimes ok.

Not at all.
I'm not surprised that you can't understand, when you think that a man can sexually assault his wife.
Your values are based on modern secular ideas, which sees marriage much like a "fashion accessary"

 

[ppp]

Not at all.
I'm not surprised that you can't understand, when you think that a man can sexually assault his wife.
Your values are based on modern secular ideas, which sees marriage much like a "fashion accessary"

Just calling it modern doesn't justify your position. A man can rape his wife. All that it takes is that she doesn't want to have sex. Everyone who has had sex with a woman who did not want to have sex has raped them no matter whether they were married to them or not.

 

[Sheldon]

I never ignored your question, that's why I said the answer can be long and started asking you question in a way to answer your question.

So you did not answer it, just posed a question yourself, in an attempt to reverse the burden of proof, even though I had made no claim.

I didn't read your blog and I didn't know you have one. If you choose not to answer my question then totally up to you

I don't have a blog, nor did I mention one?

What is the second assertion I made?

RAYYAN said: ↑
(1) For me, I can't believe that the whole thing started without a creator
When I see our universe, how great and complicated the human body is, see galaxies, ......etc.
(2) I can't believe that the whole thing started with a single-celled life.
(3) While I believe in the big bang, I am firm that there is God that caused it

Three unevidenced claims in fact.

(1) Again since we know natural phenomena exist as an objective fact, your incredulity is firstly a logical fallacy, and secondly odd given that we have no objective evidence that any deity is even possible
.
(2) The scientific theory of evolution through natural selection is supported by overwhelming scientific evidence, it is beyond any reasonable or rational denial.

(3) People believe the world is flat, this doesn't mean it is.

 

[Sheldon]

you think that a man can sexually assault his wife.

Are you saying that marriage negates the need for consent from a woman, in order for a husband to have sex with her?

Again, very creepy...

 

[RAYYAN]

Ok Sheldon

Those were not the claim I asked about, and if you have rational knowledge to support your claim produce it, don't just assert you have it.

I think quoting mistake!

You've given nothing but bare assertions, so there is nothing to contradict.

We know natural phenomena, the physical universe, and organic life exist as an objective fact, you claimed you could not believe these occurred, without an (unevidenced) deity?

This is as I said an argument from incredulity fallacy, which you ignored, and I also asked how is an unevidenced deity using inexplicable magic, a more likely explanation than an as yet unexplained natural phenomenon, given we know these exist as an objective fact? I made no claims, merely challenged yours.

Call it what you call it
If I can't show you evidence that is measurable with numbers it doesn't mean it is wrong
I simply know behind every thing is a creator.

 

[MyM]

Had it occurred to you that your fundamentalist background in Christianity is influencing your take on Islam?

I wouldn't say that it is influencing my take on Islam, but rather it just confirms what Islam is.

My background in Christianity makes me understand where I came from and why I am not there anymore except only to help

 

[RAYYAN]

So you did not answer it, just posed a question yourself, in an attempt to reverse the burden of proof, even though I had made no claim.



I don't have a blog, nor did I mention one?





Three unevidenced claims in fact.

(1) Again since we know natural phenomena exist as an objective fact, your incredulity is firstly a logical fallacy, and secondly odd given that we have no objective evidence that any deity is even possible
.
(2) The scientific theory of evolution through natural selection is supported by overwhelming scientific evidence, it is beyond any reasonable or rational denial.

(3) People believe the world is flat, this doesn't mean it is.

(1) For me, I can't believe that the whole thing started without a creator
When I see our universe, how great and complicated the human body is, see galaxies, ......etc.
It is a simple fact of life, there is a maker for everything.

(2) I can't believe that the whole thing started with a single-celled life.
Educate me if I am mistaken, How did life start?

(3) While I believe in the big bang, I am firm that there is God that caused it
Point #1 still stands

 

[Sheldon]

Ok Sheldon I think quoting mistake!

You will have to give me a clue what you're referring to.

Call it what you call it

It was an argument from incredulity fallacy, which makes it irrational by definition. Since you claimed you could not believe these occurred, without an (unevidenced) deity?

If I can't show you evidence that is measurable with numbers it doesn't mean it is wrong

That one is called a straw man fallacy, since I never made any such claim. However why would I believe a claim, if you can demonstrate no evidence for it?

I simply know behind every thing is a creator.

Great, then share those facts?

 

[Sheldon]

(1) For me, I can't believe that the whole thing started without a creator
When I see our universe, how great and complicated the human body is, see galaxies, ......etc.

that is an argument from incredulity fallacy, it is a known common logical fallacy, and thus the assertion is irrational by definition.

It is a simple fact of life, there is a maker for everything.

No it isn't.

(2) I can't believe that the whole thing started with a single-celled life.

Another argument from incredulity fallacy.

Educate me if I am mistaken, How did life start?

I never claimed to know how life started, not knowing how why or if something was caused, doesn't mean we can accept bare unevidenced claims, based on superstition.

(3) While I believe in the big bang, I am firm that there is God that caused it

The big bang is supported by scientific evidence, your bare assertion for an unevidenced deity, using inexplicable magic is not. Why do theists think repetition of a bare claim is valid argument?

Point #1 still stands

Which was and still is, a known common logical fallacy, called an argument from incredulity fallacy. Here is a <LINK> to an explanation of that fallacy. Any assertion based on or using a known fallacy in informal logic, is by definition irrational.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..having someone point out that your posts are relentlessly irrational, and your assertions unevidenced superstition must upset you..

I don't see why. Billions of people are irrational, according to you.
Anybody with even a smudge of common sense can see how irrational it is to think that somebody who thinks like you could be upsetting.

 

[KWED]

I agree with you here
This is not evidence of the existence of God. However, it is not evidence of not existence too

If you can't find your keys one morning, which is the better, more likely explanation.
a) that you mislaid them
b) they were stolen by pixies

Before answering remember that there is no evidence that they were not stolen by pixies.

 

[KWED]

I never implied that
saying this amazing universe can't happen by accident and your Ipad analogy is totally different

The analogy is entirely apposite.
Your argument is that your lack of understanding of how something works leads you to believe it must be magic.

An accident can't produce perfect limitless things.

What are you referring to here?
The universe as we see it did not form "by accident".
There are not "perfect limitless things".

Again, the iPad analogy works.

 

[KWED]

Why it is not perfect?

"Perfect" means "cannot be improved upon".
Can you really not think of a single way by which the universe and its contents could be improved? You must be a cheap date!
Remember that you claimed everything in the universe is perfect.

 

[KWED]

And okra.

*shudders*

 

[KWED]

How did life start?

What does this have to do with everything in the universe being "perfect"?
Also, life demonstrably isn't perfect. Almost every species displays flaws of some kind, especially humans.

How do I know? because it is logic and life experience.

You think that your life experience and thinking ability is sufficient to determine the processes and mechanisms that produce universes, galaxies, planets, life, everything?
Gosh!

 

[KWED]

It is a perfect universe to me

Ok, so "I think it is perfect", "it is perfect".

Still leaves us wondering why you think that nothing in this universe could be improved in any way.

 

[KWED]

Not at all.

You believe that a man does not need his wife's consent to have sex with her.
Sex without consent is "rape".
Not sure how much simpler I can make that.

I'm not surprised that you can't understand, when you think that a man can sexually assault his wife.

So you think that a man cannot sexually assault his wife. Your poor wife.
I seriously can't believe you are publicly admitting all this!

Your values are based on modern secular ideas, which sees marriage much like a "fashion accessary"

Indeed. And yours are based on the ideas of 7th century Arabia, which saw marriage much like ownership of property.
So to conclude, your defence of spousal rape and sexual assault is that it's what people used to do centuries ago, so why change.

And the worst thing is that you weren't indoctrinated into this position from infancy. You made a conscious decision, as an adult, to accept it as a worldview. At some point in the past you viewed spousal rape as a crime, but now you think its morally acceptable.
*smh*

Do you announce this position in the real world, to friends and colleagues, or do you keep quiet about it?

 

[KWED]

I simply know behind every thing is a creator.

No, you don't "know". You "believe", because you don't understand either the existing explanations for things, or how to rationally approach what we don't know.