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[Sheldon]

morality is not about man's enterprise.

No indeed, other animals have been demonstrated to understand what is acceptable and unacceptable behaviours in the societies they have evolved in.

However subjective human morality is all about human enterprise.

 

[Sheldon]

Not at all.
G-d teaches us how to behave, due to His Wisdom.

There is no objective evidence to support this claim.

If mankind ignore it, thinking they know better, they will come to regret it.

As policy says, you seem more and more to be resorting to overt threats, albeit vapid superstitious threats. I no more fear Hell, or an angry deity, than I fear being gored by an angry unicorn, cursed by a Leprechaun, or dragged to a watery grave by a nefarious mermaid, and for the same reason, there is no objective evidence they are real.

 

[Sheldon]

For me, I can't believe that the whole thing started without a creator
When I see our universe, how great and complicated the human body is, see galaxies, ......etc.
I can't believe that the whole thing started with a single-celled life.
While I believe in the big bang, I am firm that there is God that caused it

This is obviously an argument from incredulity fallacy. However we know that natural phenomena exist as an objective fact, and that the physical universe exists, so the idea that an as yet unknown natural phenomena is somehow less likely that an unevidenced deity, using inexplicable magic, is frankly an absurd rationale.

 

[RAYYAN]

This is obviously an argument from incredulity fallacy. However we know that natural phenomena exist as an objective fact, and that the physical universe exists, so the idea that an as yet unknown natural phenomena is somehow less likely that an unevidenced deity, using inexplicable magic, is frankly an absurd rationale.

I agree with you here
This is not evidence of the existence of God. However, it is not evidence of not existence too

 

[Sheldon]

I agree with you here
This is not evidence of the existence of God. However, it is not evidence of not existence too

What does evidence for non-existence look like exactly?

 

[England my lionheart]

Had it occurred to you that your fundamentalist background in Christianity is influencing your take on Islam?

Not yet imo.

 

[RAYYAN]

What does evidence for non-existence look like exactly?

I was just letting you know there is non in case you didn't know

 

[Sheldon]

I was just letting you know there is non in case you didn't know

Thanks, I read and understood it, and then asked:

What does evidence for a non-existent deity look like exactly?

Since you claimed it was not "evidence a deity did not exist".

 

[RAYYAN]

This is simply the "argument from personal incredulity". However, just because the child doesn't understand how their iPad works, doesn't mean it must therefore be magic.

I never implied that
saying this amazing universe can't happen by accident and your Ipad analogy is totally different
An accident can't produce perfect limitless things.

 

[RAYYAN]

Thanks, I read and understood it, and then asked:

What does evidence for a non-existent deity look like exactly?

Since you claimed it was not "evidence a deity did not exist".

Answering this question is long
Do you believe God exists?
I am sure the answer is no

Why?

 

[ppp]

I never implied that
saying this amazing universe can't happen by accident and your Ipad analogy is totally different
An accident can't produce perfect limitless things.

This universe is neither perfect nor limitless. And no one knows if an accident can cause perfect limitless things.

 

[RAYYAN]

This universe is neither perfect nor limitless. And no one knows if an accident can cause perfect limitless things.

Why it is not perfect?

 

[Sheldon]

I was just letting you know there is non in case you didn't know

Thanks, I read and understood it, and I never claimed a deity did not exist, though I don't believe any deity exists, I did then ask:

What does evidence for a non-existent deity look like exactly?

Since you claimed it was not "evidence a deity did not exist".

Here is my original response to your post verbatim, just for clarity:

This is obviously an argument from incredulity fallacy. However we know that natural phenomena exist as an objective fact, and that the physical universe exists, so the idea that an as yet unknown natural phenomena is somehow less likely that an unevidenced deity, using inexplicable magic, is frankly an absurd rationale.

Note I point out what we know as objective fact, and what is unevidenced, in the context of your assertion you seem to have posted a non-sequitur.

 

[Sheldon]

An accident can't produce perfect limitless things.

Who says it can? Also how do you claim to know this exactly?

 

[ppp]

Why it is not perfect?

It produces irrational thinking. And okra.

 

[RAYYAN]

Who says it can? Also how do you claim to know this exactly?

Well
How did life start?
How do I know? because it is logic and life experience. Can you give me an example contrary to what I say?

 

[Sheldon]

Answering this question is long
Do you believe God exists?
I am sure the answer is no

Why?

So having made (at least) two unevidenced assertions, you are now ignoring my question, and asking me a question, which is answered in my profile.

Do you believe claims for which no objective evidence can be demonstrated? I am dubious about such claims, and I disbelieve all unfalsifiable claims, though I must remain agnostic about them as well.

 

[RAYYAN]

It produces irrational thinking. And okra.

Okra is my favorite veg. It is a perfect universe to me
irrational thinking - Well I will stop here because I am speechless. I am not sure if you didn't get the question or just want to be funny

 

[RAYYAN]

So having made (at least) two unevidenced assertions, you are now ignoring my question, and asking me a question, which is answered in my profile.

Do you believe claims for which no objective evidence can be demonstrated? I am dubious about such claims, and I disbelieve all unfalsifiable claims, though I must remain agnostic about them as well.

I never ignored your question, that's why I said the answer can be long and started asking you question in a way to answer your question.
I didn't read your blog and I didn't know you have one. If you choose not to answer my question then totally up to you

What is the second assertion I made?

 

[Sheldon]

Sheldon said: ↑
Who says it can? Also how do you claim to know this exactly?

Well
How did life start?
How do I know? because it is logic and life experience.

Those were not the claim I asked about, and if you have rational knowledge to support your claim produce it, don't just assert you have it.

Can you give me an example contrary to what I say?

You've given nothing but bare assertions, so there is nothing to contradict.

We know natural phenomena, the physical universe, and organic life exist as an objective fact, you claimed you could not believe these occurred, without an (unevidenced) deity?

This is as I said an argument from incredulity fallacy, which you ignored, and I also asked how is an unevidenced deity using inexplicable magic, a more likely explanation than an as yet unexplained natural phenomenon, given we know these exist as an objective fact? I made no claims, merely challenged yours.