Ask About Islam

[KWED]

It was, but it is about creation in terms of human generations, starting from Adam.

"The Most Merciful, Taught the Qur’ān, He created man" Quran 55:1-3

See the order of these verses? It says God Taugh the Quran, created man.

It means God by teaching the Quran, created a new generation of people, called Muslims. Likewise, by sending Jesus, He created another Generation of people, the Christians. So, what the Author of Quran means by creation in 6000 years, is creation by sending many Messengers to humanity and creating civilizations.
In this 6000 years period, Adam was the first Prophet, and Muhammad the last Prophet.

So the earth isn't 6000 years old, humanity is.
Well, that's wrong as well.
It seems that however you try to reimagine it, the Quran and the Bible are demonstrably wrong.

 

[joelr]

WOW

nothing so specific as the explanation of the waters exist in the Bible. The Quran was the first to explain it. duh.

"made from water every living thing" (21:30). Another verse describes how "Allah has created every animal from water. Of them are some that creep on their bellies, some that walk on two legs, and some that walk on four. Allah creates what He wills, for truly Allah has power over all things" (24:45).

No but there is in Greek philosophy. Thales wrote much on the subject of water creating life. An overview -
"One of Thales' contributions was based upon his observation that water was the most abundant material on the Earth and all plants and animals needed it for life. He postulated that life originated from water and that everything died when deprived of it."

The statement from the Quran is exactly as vague as the Thales statement. Both are correct that water is important. Neither are evidence of divine intervention. People are not stupid, we figured out the water thing on out own.

"The Qur'an describes how Allah created Adam: "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape..." (15:26). And, "He began the creation of man from clay, and made his progeny from a quintessence of fluid" (32:7-8). Thus, human beings have a fundamental attachment to the earth."

So the Quran believes the Adam and Eve myth (another Mesopotamian myth borrowed by the OT) is a literal story? That is definitely not divine knowledge.

I stated that the Quran has the evidences that scientists are now finding out that no way over 1400 years ago was even known. You deny that but that's not my fault.

Uh, nope. I'm not denying anything. If you give evidence that turns out to be something already known by humans I'm just explaining that's the case? Also embryology was figured out by the Greeks and they did it without a God. Humans are not stupid? I said give me examples, why the hostility? That water thing is 100% something humans knew in ancient Greek times and likely before. We drink water, we are full of liquid, humans die very quickly without it.

I believe the book as fact because it is proven in itself. There was no way anyone knew about embryology over 1400 and how the baby formed etc. THE QURAN DID. There are loads of evidences in the Quran but people will deny them because they don't believe in God.

Well you keep saying there is science that it could not have without a God telling it to someone so I'm waiting to see if that's true? The title is "Ask". When I ask you state your personal beliefs, claim their are loads of evidences BUT people will deny them. Not appropriate and WAY over-hostile responses to something so simple as "ask about Islam"?
There is definitely no evidence for God but I'm just asking for scientific evidence in the Quran.

I do not see evidence that the embryology wasn't information taken from Greek medicine? Greeks already knew this stuff? Why would God give information already known and not something so obvious like "we are all made of atoms, a nucleus and orbiting particle, when yoyu add orbiting particles and nucleus you get elements".

This sums it up. pretty well -
In fact the account of the different stages in embryology as described by the Qur'an is virtually identical to that taught by Galen, writing in Turkey around 150 A.D, who taught that the embryo developed in four stages.[3] The first is an unformed white conceptus like semen, the second a bloody vascularised foetus, the third when other features are mapped out but not fully formed, and the fourth when all the organs are well formed and joints freely moveable. Either the author of the Qur'an knew this when writing the Qur'an, or else he was describing the clot which appears when a woman is having a miscarriage. Since we know that Muhammad had at least nine wives this is entirely possible, but it does mean that the alaqa is not the stage of embryological development that some would have us believe.

Much of the embryology in the Qur'an and Hadith can be traced directly back to the ancient Greeks. For example there is a hadith in which Muhammad says 'If a male's fluid prevails upon the female's substance, the child will be a male by Allah's decree, and when the substance of the female prevails upon the substance contributed by the male, a female child is formed.' Muslims claim that this refers to X and Y chromosomes which determine the sex of an infant. A far more likely suggestion is that this is simply a reflection of the incorrect belief of Hippocrates that both men and women produce both male and female sperm, and the resulting sex of the child is determined by which sex's sperm overwhelms the other in strength or quantity.

It is one thing for the ancient Greeks to be teaching all this, but how do we know that the material was familiar to the Arabs of Muhammad's day? Ali at-Tabari's 'Paradise of Wisdom',[6] written in about 850 AD, says that he was following the rules set down by Hippocrates and Aristotle when he wrote his treatise. The intelligentsia of Muhammad's time were very familiar both with Greek and Indian medicine. Indeed, a major work on the history of embryology which is cited in the references in The Developing Human devotes over 60 pages to ancient Greek embryology and less than one page to Arabic embryology, concluding that the Qur'an is merely 'a seventh-century echo of Aristotle'. It is hardly surprising that the Islamic version of Prof Moore's book is not listed on the British Library catalogue and cannot be found in medical school libraries either in Britain or the US.

In conclusion then, there is not a single statement contained in the Qur'an relating to modern embryology that is not either scientifically incorrect or which was well known through direct observation by the ancient Greek physicians many centuries before the Qur'an was written.

I refuse to discuss evolution with athiests and if that upsets you in this thread go find another thread to discuss. I already explained it before and if you want to know, please go back and search and you might even know that I have. I have given the Quranic evidences and ahadith but yet, it is a constant battle of belittlement and ridicule from the athiests so that is why I do not discuss evolution anymore with athiests. If you find that wrong, that's your problem not mine. Athiests who come here to "ask" with sincerity I can give. But then, that is also a way athiests try to start talking about evolution and then they feel so superior over everyone else because they think they know more. Not the case with Muslims, you will never be able to defeat a Muslim believer who believes that Allah is the only one worthy of worship.

Uh, what? I simply remarked that if you talk about evolution then you will get replies about evolution? I don't care what bizarre anti-science people believe? The point isn't to "defeat" one who believes false things, it's just to put information out there so people who are ready to take an honest look at evidence and want to believe what is true rather than what they want to be true will follow up. Most people will not change beliefs on facts. Human psychology doesn't work that way.
Evolution has already won by having decades of confirmation and multiple lines of evidence. It also does not relate to any theology being true. Christian fundamentalists say evolution is false therefore their Bible is correct. Other religions say evolution is false so their religious book is correct. so it doesn't prove any one religion. It does give evidence that you are likely all incorrect and trying to deny science to make a myth become literally true.

I am not here to challenge athiests on what they believe. I will discuss with those who want to learn, not to degrade and act like a superior know-it-all and if things do not go their way, they come back with sarcastic remarks.

If you want to learn about some of the sciences in the Quran the video I posted below will enlighten you.

not to degrade and act like a superior know-it-all

"WOW"

"duh"

"You deny that"

Are there any other examples of science?

BTW, you are aware that humans came up with, all math, classical electromagnetism, quantum mechanics, gravitational equations, massive arcitechure of buildings and ships, flying machines and so on........ALL BY THEMSELVES?
So if a scientist in Islam came up with some good science theories and wrote them down that doesn't prove it was divine anyways?
What if Democretus the Greek were in Islam? He was the first to propose the idea that everything is made of A-toms. Had that happened you would be saying "look this can only be divine, this is proof of Allah!!"?
Yet it's just a really smart science guy.
Mundane repeating of Greek knowledge is not going to prove something is messages from God. No God is that lame. A God could write down pages of future equations and science that were centuries ahead. He could explain to them how to build a radio. Do you see Greek people going through all the amazing Greek science and saying "look Zeus was real!"?

 

[joelr]

Listen and learn then.

I'm just starting with one. He says in 1577 Sir Francis Drake proved the Earth was a sphere. Then he goes on to explain the Quran already knew it was a sphere.
Ok, but...uh......
"By the fifth century BCE , the Greeks had firmly established that the earth was a sphere. Although they knew it was a sphere, they didn't know how big the sphere was. The philosopher Plato (400 BCE ) declared the earth's circumference to be 64,412 kilometers (40,000 miles)."

The Greeks figured out it was a sphere and got the size very close to exact?????????



One more, NEXT Example.....he points out the Quran says moonlight is reflected sunlight.
Well guess what,
"Greek astronomers later came to think correctly of Earth as shaped like a ball. Others suggested correctly that moonlight was reflected sunlight."


Net example is about planets having their own rotation.

In the 2nd century Hipparchus of Nicaea was famous for the precession of the equinoxes which is the change of a bodys rotation axis. Also - He developed trigonometry and constructed trigonometric tables, and he solved several problems of spherical trigonometry. With his solar and lunar theories and his trigonometry, he may have been the first to develop a reliable method to predict solar eclipses.
Hipparchus - Wikipedia

He is presenting all of this like the Quran was the first to discover this? This is a literal lie? The actual verse mentions orbits which were known by Hipparchus.


Not one legit example yet. But the Greeks DID figure this out without a God. So even if some observations are correct, that isn't evidence these are revelations? It's fine for the Greeks to figure this stuff out but when th eQuran does then it's God? No chance.


Next example, Quran says there is matter between the heavens and the earth. This guy seems to think he was predicting plasma? Except the Quran subscribes to the 7 heavens cosmology. In that cosmology heaven is at the top and the planets and stars are in between. So he meant planets and stars.
"There are exactly seven verses in the Quran that specify that there are seven heavens, "He it is who created for you all that is in the earth; then he turned towards the heavens, and he perfected them as seven heavens; and he has perfect knowledge of all things." One verse says that each heaven or sky has its own order, possibly meaning laws of nature. Another verse says after mentioning the seven heavens "and similar earths"


Now he's onto atomism. He mentioned Democretus the Greek. So the Quran mentions an atom then says " and there does not lie concealed from your Lord the weight of an atom in the earth or in the heaven, nor any thing less than that nor greater, but it is in a clear book

Yeah that isn't predicting subatomic particles. It's saying nothing hides from the Lord in obvious poetic language.
It's debated that that was the original text (ant may have been the original word instead of atom)
Does the Qur'an speak about Atoms?

but it's poetic language about how the Lord sees everything. The speaker in this video is desperate. This whole thing is very dissapointing.


Now a long long expose on water. The Greeks did understand hydrology
From mythology to science: the development of scientific hydrological concepts in Greek antiquity and its relevance to modern hydrology
People knew about mixing salt and fresh water and winds contribution to the water cycle.


The embryology and biology was already dealt with in other posts.




Instead of wasting my time, are there any good examples? If you just tried to apply skepticism to actually see if this was real you would see it's a complete fallacious argument and try some other line.

 

[MyM]

The words of Baha'u'llah show me that he does not understand the Quran or Bible.

As the Quran says:
And We have made the heavens as a canopy well guarded: yet do they turn away from the Signs which these things (point to)! 21:32

Baha'u'llah is not a prophet. Because he shows he doesnt know how to do signs with words.

The signs of the heavens are not open to interpretation.

It is He Who maketh the stars (as beacons) for you, that ye may guide yourselves, with their help, through the dark spaces of land and sea: We detail Our signs for people who know. Quran 6:97

Baha'u'llah has no detail. None.


Muhhamad has detail in his words.

It is He Who sendeth down rain from the skies: with it We produce vegetation of all kinds: from some We produce green (crops), out of which We produce grain, heaped up (at harvest); out of the date-palm and its sheaths (or spathes) (come) clusters of dates hanging low and near: and (then there are) gardens of grapes, and olives, and pomegranates, each similar (in kind) yet different (in variety): when they begin to bear fruit, feast your eyes with the fruit and the ripeness thereof. Behold! in these things there are signs for people who believe.


Pomegranate - Olive - Grape

I know of the pomegranate, the olive, and the grape.
Muhammad knows what he is talking about.
I believe his signs.

Edit.
Baha'u'llah is very good at sounding like he knows something but doesnt say what he knows.

I just wanted to say that I can further explain the pomegranate, the olive, and the grape if wanted.

Where in the Quran and Sunnah is it ever mentioned that Bab was a messenger and that Bahallah was ever mentioned? Bring your proof please

 

[England my lionheart]

BULLCRAP.

Its very apparent that you are not here to debate,you post a thread in a debates forum but do not want people to debate,you then produce the zakir naik video and mockingly asked me to prove him wrong which he was and yet you will not admit or accept he was,only to watch his video of "scientific miracles".

Really you just want to preach but not even from your own understanding of islam but from a man who made himself look like an idiot because he was totally out of his depth and yet you want us just to watch his videos on "scientific miracles in the quran",lol really,you shot yourself in the foot posting that video and your response is "because you hate islam".

 

[MyM]

"made from water every living thing" (21:30). Another verse describes how "Allah has created every animal from water. Of them are some that creep on their bellies, some that walk on two legs, and some that walk on four. Allah creates what He wills, for truly Allah has power over all things" (24:45).

No but there is in Greek philosophy. Thales wrote much on the subject of water creating life. An overview -
"One of Thales' contributions was based upon his observation that water was the most abundant material on the Earth and all plants and animals needed it for life. He postulated that life originated from water and that everything died when deprived of it."

The statement from the Quran is exactly as vague as the Thales statement. Both are correct that water is important. Neither are evidence of divine intervention. People are not stupid, we figured out the water thing on out own.

"The Qur'an describes how Allah created Adam: "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape..." (15:26). And, "He began the creation of man from clay, and made his progeny from a quintessence of fluid" (32:7-8). Thus, human beings have a fundamental attachment to the earth."

So the Quran believes the Adam and Eve myth (another Mesopotamian myth borrowed by the OT) is a literal story? That is definitely not divine knowledge.



Uh, nope. I'm not denying anything. If you give evidence that turns out to be something already known by humans I'm just explaining that's the case? Also embryology was figured out by the Greeks and they did it without a God. Humans are not stupid? I said give me examples, why the hostility? That water thing is 100% something humans knew in ancient Greek times and likely before. We drink water, we are full of liquid, humans die very quickly without it.



Well you keep saying there is science that it could not have without a God telling it to someone so I'm waiting to see if that's true? The title is "Ask". When I ask you state your personal beliefs, claim their are loads of evidences BUT people will deny them. Not appropriate and WAY over-hostile responses to something so simple as "ask about Islam"?
There is definitely no evidence for God but I'm just asking for scientific evidence in the Quran.

I do not see evidence that the embryology wasn't information taken from Greek medicine? Greeks already knew this stuff? Why would God give information already known and not something so obvious like "we are all made of atoms, a nucleus and orbiting particle, when yoyu add orbiting particles and nucleus you get elements".

This sums it up. pretty well -
In fact the account of the different stages in embryology as described by the Qur'an is virtually identical to that taught by Galen, writing in Turkey around 150 A.D, who taught that the embryo developed in four stages.[3] The first is an unformed white conceptus like semen, the second a bloody vascularised foetus, the third when other features are mapped out but not fully formed, and the fourth when all the organs are well formed and joints freely moveable. Either the author of the Qur'an knew this when writing the Qur'an, or else he was describing the clot which appears when a woman is having a miscarriage. Since we know that Muhammad had at least nine wives this is entirely possible, but it does mean that the alaqa is not the stage of embryological development that some would have us believe.

Much of the embryology in the Qur'an and Hadith can be traced directly back to the ancient Greeks. For example there is a hadith in which Muhammad says 'If a male's fluid prevails upon the female's substance, the child will be a male by Allah's decree, and when the substance of the female prevails upon the substance contributed by the male, a female child is formed.' Muslims claim that this refers to X and Y chromosomes which determine the sex of an infant. A far more likely suggestion is that this is simply a reflection of the incorrect belief of Hippocrates that both men and women produce both male and female sperm, and the resulting sex of the child is determined by which sex's sperm overwhelms the other in strength or quantity.

It is one thing for the ancient Greeks to be teaching all this, but how do we know that the material was familiar to the Arabs of Muhammad's day? Ali at-Tabari's 'Paradise of Wisdom',[6] written in about 850 AD, says that he was following the rules set down by Hippocrates and Aristotle when he wrote his treatise. The intelligentsia of Muhammad's time were very familiar both with Greek and Indian medicine. Indeed, a major work on the history of embryology which is cited in the references in The Developing Human devotes over 60 pages to ancient Greek embryology and less than one page to Arabic embryology, concluding that the Qur'an is merely 'a seventh-century echo of Aristotle'. It is hardly surprising that the Islamic version of Prof Moore's book is not listed on the British Library catalogue and cannot be found in medical school libraries either in Britain or the US.

In conclusion then, there is not a single statement contained in the Qur'an relating to modern embryology that is not either scientifically incorrect or which was well known through direct observation by the ancient Greek physicians many centuries before the Qur'an was written.




Uh, what? I simply remarked that if you talk about evolution then you will get replies about evolution? I don't care what bizarre anti-science people believe? The point isn't to "defeat" one who believes false things, it's just to put information out there so people who are ready to take an honest look at evidence and want to believe what is true rather than what they want to be true will follow up. Most people will not change beliefs on facts. Human psychology doesn't work that way.
Evolution has already won by having decades of confirmation and multiple lines of evidence. It also does not relate to any theology being true. Christian fundamentalists say evolution is false therefore their Bible is correct. Other religions say evolution is false so their religious book is correct. so it doesn't prove any one religion. It does give evidence that you are likely all incorrect and trying to deny science to make a myth become literally true.




not to degrade and act like a superior know-it-all

"WOW"

"duh"

"You deny that"

Are there any other examples of science?

BTW, you are aware that humans came up with, all math, classical electromagnetism, quantum mechanics, gravitational equations, massive arcitechure of buildings and ships, flying machines and so on........ALL BY THEMSELVES?
So if a scientist in Islam came up with some good science theories and wrote them down that doesn't prove it was divine anyways?
What if Democretus the Greek were in Islam? He was the first to propose the idea that everything is made of A-toms. Had that happened you would be saying "look this can only be divine, this is proof of Allah!!"?
Yet it's just a really smart science guy.
Mundane repeating of Greek knowledge is not going to prove something is messages from God. No God is that lame. A God could write down pages of future equations and science that were centuries ahead. He could explain to them how to build a radio. Do you see Greek people going through all the amazing Greek science and saying "look Zeus was real!"?

You can bring all the Greek you want. so YOU say the "Greeks" knew about all this, IT WAS NEVER SHOWN TO THE WORLD? It should be blasted all over the world from this as you claim. How come they didn't accept it? They could translate parts of the Bible, yet leave this out? Galen dissected animals, mainly dogs and he had NO KNOWLEDGE about the development of the Fetus INSIDE. He had to dissect and find out things involving the human but did not know how it was done. Everyone knew they punished the women for not bringing the sex of the baby...the kings did this for many decades. Women were treated like dogs and not even worth the effort in the Greek world. The Greeks also believed in Zues and other imaginary gods in their belief.

Embryology in the Quran IS IN DEPTH. No other book of God has that. You cannot compare.

Mohammad could not have known these facts about Human Development in the 7th century, over 1400 years ago, because most of them were not discovered until the 20th century.

 

[MyM]

"made from water every living thing" (21:30). Another verse describes how "Allah has created every animal from water. Of them are some that creep on their bellies, some that walk on two legs, and some that walk on four. Allah creates what He wills, for truly Allah has power over all things" (24:45).

No but there is in Greek philosophy. Thales wrote much on the subject of water creating life. An overview -
"One of Thales' contributions was based upon his observation that water was the most abundant material on the Earth and all plants and animals needed it for life. He postulated that life originated from water and that everything died when deprived of it."

The statement from the Quran is exactly as vague as the Thales statement. Both are correct that water is important. Neither are evidence of divine intervention. People are not stupid, we figured out the water thing on out own.

"The Qur'an describes how Allah created Adam: "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape..." (15:26). And, "He began the creation of man from clay, and made his progeny from a quintessence of fluid" (32:7-8). Thus, human beings have a fundamental attachment to the earth."

So the Quran believes the Adam and Eve myth (another Mesopotamian myth borrowed by the OT) is a literal story? That is definitely not divine knowledge.



Uh, nope. I'm not denying anything. If you give evidence that turns out to be something already known by humans I'm just explaining that's the case? Also embryology was figured out by the Greeks and they did it without a God. Humans are not stupid? I said give me examples, why the hostility? That water thing is 100% something humans knew in ancient Greek times and likely before. We drink water, we are full of liquid, humans die very quickly without it.



Well you keep saying there is science that it could not have without a God telling it to someone so I'm waiting to see if that's true? The title is "Ask". When I ask you state your personal beliefs, claim their are loads of evidences BUT people will deny them. Not appropriate and WAY over-hostile responses to something so simple as "ask about Islam"?
There is definitely no evidence for God but I'm just asking for scientific evidence in the Quran.

I do not see evidence that the embryology wasn't information taken from Greek medicine? Greeks already knew this stuff? Why would God give information already known and not something so obvious like "we are all made of atoms, a nucleus and orbiting particle, when yoyu add orbiting particles and nucleus you get elements".

This sums it up. pretty well -
In fact the account of the different stages in embryology as described by the Qur'an is virtually identical to that taught by Galen, writing in Turkey around 150 A.D, who taught that the embryo developed in four stages.[3] The first is an unformed white conceptus like semen, the second a bloody vascularised foetus, the third when other features are mapped out but not fully formed, and the fourth when all the organs are well formed and joints freely moveable. Either the author of the Qur'an knew this when writing the Qur'an, or else he was describing the clot which appears when a woman is having a miscarriage. Since we know that Muhammad had at least nine wives this is entirely possible, but it does mean that the alaqa is not the stage of embryological development that some would have us believe.

Much of the embryology in the Qur'an and Hadith can be traced directly back to the ancient Greeks. For example there is a hadith in which Muhammad says 'If a male's fluid prevails upon the female's substance, the child will be a male by Allah's decree, and when the substance of the female prevails upon the substance contributed by the male, a female child is formed.' Muslims claim that this refers to X and Y chromosomes which determine the sex of an infant. A far more likely suggestion is that this is simply a reflection of the incorrect belief of Hippocrates that both men and women produce both male and female sperm, and the resulting sex of the child is determined by which sex's sperm overwhelms the other in strength or quantity.

It is one thing for the ancient Greeks to be teaching all this, but how do we know that the material was familiar to the Arabs of Muhammad's day? Ali at-Tabari's 'Paradise of Wisdom',[6] written in about 850 AD, says that he was following the rules set down by Hippocrates and Aristotle when he wrote his treatise. The intelligentsia of Muhammad's time were very familiar both with Greek and Indian medicine. Indeed, a major work on the history of embryology which is cited in the references in The Developing Human devotes over 60 pages to ancient Greek embryology and less than one page to Arabic embryology, concluding that the Qur'an is merely 'a seventh-century echo of Aristotle'. It is hardly surprising that the Islamic version of Prof Moore's book is not listed on the British Library catalogue and cannot be found in medical school libraries either in Britain or the US.

In conclusion then, there is not a single statement contained in the Qur'an relating to modern embryology that is not either scientifically incorrect or which was well known through direct observation by the ancient Greek physicians many centuries before the Qur'an was written.




Uh, what? I simply remarked that if you talk about evolution then you will get replies about evolution? I don't care what bizarre anti-science people believe? The point isn't to "defeat" one who believes false things, it's just to put information out there so people who are ready to take an honest look at evidence and want to believe what is true rather than what they want to be true will follow up. Most people will not change beliefs on facts. Human psychology doesn't work that way.
Evolution has already won by having decades of confirmation and multiple lines of evidence. It also does not relate to any theology being true. Christian fundamentalists say evolution is false therefore their Bible is correct. Other religions say evolution is false so their religious book is correct. so it doesn't prove any one religion. It does give evidence that you are likely all incorrect and trying to deny science to make a myth become literally true.




not to degrade and act like a superior know-it-all

"WOW"

"duh"

"You deny that"

Are there any other examples of science?

BTW, you are aware that humans came up with, all math, classical electromagnetism, quantum mechanics, gravitational equations, massive arcitechure of buildings and ships, flying machines and so on........ALL BY THEMSELVES?
So if a scientist in Islam came up with some good science theories and wrote them down that doesn't prove it was divine anyways?
What if Democretus the Greek were in Islam? He was the first to propose the idea that everything is made of A-toms. Had that happened you would be saying "look this can only be divine, this is proof of Allah!!"?
Yet it's just a really smart science guy.
Mundane repeating of Greek knowledge is not going to prove something is messages from God. No God is that lame. A God could write down pages of future equations and science that were centuries ahead. He could explain to them how to build a radio. Do you see Greek people going through all the amazing Greek science and saying "look Zeus was real!"?

Go ahead and make fun, but our findings in the Quran, that Allah has stated, has shown way before men even understood them. No other book has this claim of knowledge from 1400 years ago. so go ahead and make your jokes and laugh at Muslims and what they know and understand, for we know what Allah has said in the Quran.

“(This is) a Book (the Qur’an) which We have sent down to you, full of blessings that they may ponder over its Verses, and that men of understanding may remember”
Saad 38:29

 

[MyM]

Its very apparent that you are not here to debate,you post a thread in a debates forum but do not want people to debate,you then produce the zakir naik video and mockingly asked me to prove him wrong which he was and yet you will not admit or accept he was,only to watch his video of "scientific miracles".

Really you just want to preach but not even from your own understanding of islam but from a man who made himself look like an idiot because he was totally out of his depth and yet you want us just to watch his videos on "scientific miracles in the quran",lol really,you shot yourself in the foot posting that video and your response is "because you hate islam".

sure

and I was correct, you hate Islam, you deny God and no matter what I say to any athiest, they will always label us inferior beings because we don't believe in your beliefs.

I made this thread out of sincerity but yall trashed it. So what if I posted it in the Debate forum. Doesn't mean yall can say whatever you like and people must take it as truth. I guess that is what you are used to.

Dr. Zakir Naik is NOT an idiot and he knows more in his little finger than you would know in your lifetime. He is filled with authenticated knowledge and is even a Medical Dr. He has memorized the Quran from front to back, studied its verses and he knows the exact numbered verses AND page numbers, whereas you all can't prove your missing links in the world. So, go ahead, make your claims, ridicule what we say and use that for the next bloke that comes along. It's inevitable.

 

[England my lionheart]

sure

and I was correct, you hate Islam, you deny God and no matter what I say to any athiest, they will always label us inferior beings because we don't believe in your beliefs.

I made this thread out of sincerity but yall trashed it. So what if I posted it in the Debate forum. Doesn't mean yall can say whatever you like and people must take it as truth. I guess that is what you are used to.

Dr. Zakir Naik is NOT an idiot and he knows more in his little finger than you would know in your lifetime. He is filled with authenticated knowledge and is even a Medical Dr. He has memorized the Quran from front to back, studied its verses and he knows the exact numbered verses AND page numbers, whereas you all can't prove your missing links in the world. So, go ahead, make your claims, ridicule what we say and use that for the next bloke that comes along. It's inevitable.

He didn't know the difference between hypothesis and theory,oh well he's no Einstein but for a supposedly educated medical doctor one would expect him to.

 

[KWED]

I'm just starting with one. He says in 1577 Sir Francis Drake proved the Earth was a sphere. Then he goes on to explain the Quran already knew it was a sphere.
Ok, but...uh......
"By the fifth century BCE , the Greeks had firmly established that the earth was a sphere. Although they knew it was a sphere, they didn't know how big the sphere was. The philosopher Plato (400 BCE ) declared the earth's circumference to be 64,412 kilometers (40,000 miles)."

The Greeks figured out it was a sphere and got the size very close to exact?????????



One more, NEXT Example.....he points out the Quran says moonlight is reflected sunlight.
Well guess what,
"Greek astronomers later came to think correctly of Earth as shaped like a ball. Others suggested correctly that moonlight was reflected sunlight."


Net example is about planets having their own rotation.

In the 2nd century Hipparchus of Nicaea was famous for the precession of the equinoxes which is the change of a bodys rotation axis. Also - He developed trigonometry and constructed trigonometric tables, and he solved several problems of spherical trigonometry. With his solar and lunar theories and his trigonometry, he may have been the first to develop a reliable method to predict solar eclipses.
Hipparchus - Wikipedia

He is presenting all of this like the Quran was the first to discover this? This is a literal lie? The actual verse mentions orbits which were known by Hipparchus.


Not one legit example yet. But the Greeks DID figure this out without a God. So even if some observations are correct, that isn't evidence these are revelations? It's fine for the Greeks to figure this stuff out but when th eQuran does then it's God? No chance.


Next example, Quran says there is matter between the heavens and the earth. This guy seems to think he was predicting plasma? Except the Quran subscribes to the 7 heavens cosmology. In that cosmology heaven is at the top and the planets and stars are in between. So he meant planets and stars.
"There are exactly seven verses in the Quran that specify that there are seven heavens, "He it is who created for you all that is in the earth; then he turned towards the heavens, and he perfected them as seven heavens; and he has perfect knowledge of all things." One verse says that each heaven or sky has its own order, possibly meaning laws of nature. Another verse says after mentioning the seven heavens "and similar earths"


Now he's onto atomism. He mentioned Democretus the Greek. So the Quran mentions an atom then says " and there does not lie concealed from your Lord the weight of an atom in the earth or in the heaven, nor any thing less than that nor greater, but it is in a clear book

Yeah that isn't predicting subatomic particles. It's saying nothing hides from the Lord in obvious poetic language.
It's debated that that was the original text (ant may have been the original word instead of atom)
Does the Qur'an speak about Atoms?

but it's poetic language about how the Lord sees everything. The speaker in this video is desperate. This whole thing is very dissapointing.


Now a long long expose on water. The Greeks did understand hydrology
From mythology to science: the development of scientific hydrological concepts in Greek antiquity and its relevance to modern hydrology
People knew about mixing salt and fresh water and winds contribution to the water cycle.


The embryology and biology was already dealt with in other posts.




Instead of wasting my time, are there any good examples? If you just tried to apply skepticism to actually see if this was real you would see it's a complete fallacious argument and try some other line.

Naik (and other, similar, dishonest apologists) rely on the confirmation bias and appeal to authority of their audience. He knows they will never fact-check anything he says, so he can say anything. And anyone who points out his errors is met with "But he has memorised the whole Quran!" and "He's a doctor, are you?", , etc.
Just wait and see what kind of response you get from @MyM

 

[KWED]

You can bring all the Greek you want. so YOU say the "Greeks" knew about all this,

The Greeks did know about it, so your claim that no one knew about it is patently false.
Interesting though, that you admit that you aren't interested in evidence-based argument.

IT WAS NEVER SHOWN TO THE WORLD?

Of course it was. That's how we know that they discovered all this stuff. People wrote about it and taught it.
Also, no one mentioned anything about "scientific miracles" in the Quran until a few years ago. No scientific discoveries have been made from the Quran. It is all just post hoc rationalisation.

 

[KWED]

Go ahead and make fun, but our findings in the Quran, that Allah has stated, has shown way before men even understood them. No other book has this claim of knowledge from 1400 years ago. so go ahead and make your jokes and laugh at Muslims and what they know and understand, for we know what Allah has said in the Quran.

“(This is) a Book (the Qur’an) which We have sent down to you, full of blessings that they may ponder over its Verses, and that men of understanding may remember”
Saad 38:29

You are sounding desperate now. Your claims have been disproved (as they always are whenever they are made in educated and informed company). It has got to the stage where leading islamic apologist Hamza Tsortzis has called the Quran scientific miracles narrative "An intellectual embarrassment to Muslim apologists" - and he used to be one of their biggest promoters!

 

[KWED]

no matter what I say to any athiest, they will always label us inferior beings because we don't believe in your beliefs.

Oh the irony.
Atheists don't consider religionists "inferior beings", just misinformed or possibly deluded.
However, the Quran calls non-Muslims "The vilest of beasts" and "like cattle".
So it is actually you who considers others to be "inferior beings".
Nice!

I made this thread out of sincerity but yall trashed it.

You made this thread with the intention of promoting a sanitised and cherry-picked version of Islam. Unfortunately there are people here who have a better understanding of the issues than you seem to.

So what if I posted it in the Debate forum. Doesn't mean yall can say whatever you like and people must take it as truth. I guess that is what you are used to.

The lack of self-awareness is mind-boggling! It is you who is insisting that everyone must take your claims as the truth, even when they have been shown to be nonsense. I guess it is because you are not used to having your claims challenged. Have you only posted on closed Islamic forums before?

Dr. Zakir Naik is NOT an idiot and he knows more in his little finger than you would know in your lifetime.

He is filled with authenticated knowledge and is even a Medical Dr. He has memorized the Quran from front to back,

Ha! Exactly as I predicted!

whereas you all can't prove your missing links in the world.

What "missing links"? Is this something else Naik has said?

 

[MyM]

He didn't know the difference between hypothesis and theory,oh well he's no Einstein but for a supposedly educated medical doctor one would expect him to.

Why don't you write him a letter and ask him...see what he tells you.

 

[England my lionheart]

Why don't you write him a letter and ask him...see what he tells you.

He's in malaysia i believe as he had to run from india for criminal activities,i very much doubt his credibilty is worth of a question so i won't.

 

[MyM]

He's in malaysia i believe as he had to run from india for criminal activities,i very much doubt his credibilty is worth of a question so i won't.

 

[KWED]

Why don't you write him a letter and ask him...see what he tells you.

He famously avoids debating sceptics and scientists. I wonder why that could be?

 

[England my lionheart]

Here's a question,"Doctor Naik,where does sperm originate?", "oh thats easy,it originates from between the backbone and the rib,the miracle is how did the author of the miraculous quran know this 1400 years ago",do you really want to go down that road,this is medaeval nonsense.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I used to be a born again Christian. I was raised in a First Baptist Family household. It was kinda taboo to look into any other religion. I just questioned my faith in the Bible is all for what I was reading did not coincide with what the preachers were saying.

Had it occurred to you that your fundamentalist background in Christianity is influencing your take on Islam?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

So the earth isn't 6000 years old, humanity is.
Well, that's wrong as well.
It seems that however you try to reimagine it, the Quran and the Bible are demonstrably wrong.

In religious theology, there has been many worlds, or the so called cycles.
Before Adam there was older worlds, or cycles as Bible also said:

"if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others"

Adam then started a new cycle, which was to last 6000 years. Then the Adamic cycle, or that world ended in the year 1844. From then a new world or creation begin, as Quran promised:

"Were We then worn out by the first creation? Yet they are in doubt about a new creation." 50:15

So, this new creation is what we are now living in. We can see we are living truly in a new world, which everyone agrees it is different from old times.

See, this is also in the Islamic Hadithes:

According to Ibn Humayd- Yahya b. Wadih- Yahya b. Ya'qub- Hammad- Sa'id b. Jubayr- Ibn Abbas: This world is one of the weeks of the other world- seven thousand years. Six thousand two hundred years have already passed. (The world) will surely experience hundreds of years, during which there will be no believer in the oneness of God there. Others said that the total extent of time is six thousand years. (pp. 172-173)

It says, the current world in their time was just like one week of older worlds.