What Do You Expect...?

[nPeace]

Alright well, I am still working on how to frame it. I think there are other sets of positions, perhaps a 3rd and a 4rth, besides the two opposing views I was discussing with you.

Just give me a @mention once you get it started.

 

[Sheldon]

I'm 100% certain, it is.

Why do people not realise that 100% certainty is the very definition of closed minded?

 

[nPeace]

Why do people not realise that 100% certainty is the very definition of closed minded?

Perhaps because they are not closed minded enough to think that.

 

[Sheldon]

Sheldon said: ↑
Why do people not realise that 100% certainty is the very definition of closed minded?

Perhaps because they are not closed minded enough to think that.

That literally makes no sense, since closed minded means not willing to consider different ideas or opinions, ipso facto being 100% certain is the very definition of closed minded. Even incontrovertible scientific facts cannot be 100% certain. That's why falsifiability is an essential requirement for all scientific ideas.

 

[nPeace]

That literally makes no sense, since closed minded means not willing to consider different ideas or opinions, ipso facto being 100% certain is the very definition of closed minded. Even incontrovertible scientific facts cannot be 100% certain. That's why falsifiability is an essential requirement for all scientific ideas.

None of your arguments make sense, so I understand why that obviously would make no sense to you.
It's a closed minded view to think that one cannot know a truth... 100% of it.

See. Your head is so stuck in science, you don't see anything else.
Do you go to science to ask when to go to the bathroom @Sheldon?

 

[Sheldon]

Sheldon said: ↑
That literally makes no sense, since closed minded means not willing to consider different ideas or opinions, ipso facto being 100% certain is the very definition of closed minded. Even incontrovertible scientific facts cannot be 100% certain. That's why falsifiability is an essential requirement for all scientific ideas.

None of your arguments make sense, so I understand why that obviously would make no sense to you.

Well that's just vapid hand waving, do you have any cogent argument, beyond this sweeping errant rhetoric?

It's a closed minded view to think that one cannot know a truth... 100% of it.

Not sure why you think a tautological restatement is going to help, as this is still by definition, closed minded? You have failed to address this fact, the inference is pretty clear.

See. Your head is so stuck in science, you don't see anything else.

Well I see your violation of the law of non-contradiction. Do you?

Do you go to science to ask when to go to the bathroom @Sheldon?

No, are you capable of anything approaching cogent mature debate, without resorting to petty ad hominem? As again, the inference is pretty clear.

 

[nPeace]

Well that's just vapid hand waving, do you have any cogent argument, beyond this sweeping errant rhetoric?

Pot calling the kettle black.

Not sure why you think a tautological restatement is going to help, as this is still by definition, closed minded? You have failed to address this fact, the inference is pretty clear.

You failed to make a valid argument, and as usual present anything of value, or actually credible in support of it.

Well I see your violation of the law of non-contradiction. Do you?

No, are you capable of anything approaching cogent mature debate, without resorting to petty ad hominem? As again, the inference is pretty clear.

Waving hand.

 

[Sheldon]

Pot calling the kettle black.

Nonsense, anyone can see you offered naught but a bare denial, here it is verbatim again then, so that anyone can see your vapid claim didn't even attempt to address my post.

nPeace said: ↑
None of your arguments make sense, so I understand why that obviously would make no sense to you.

You failed to make a valid argument, and as usual present anything of value, or actually credible in support of it.

Rubbish, you claimed to be 100% certain, since closed minded is defined as "not willing to consider different ideas or opinions" then as I explained, this claim is the very definition of closed minded. To any vaguely literate person...

Waving hand.

I'm guessing the irony is lost on you?

Polly put the kettle on, Polly put the kettle on, Polly put the kettle on...

 

[URAVIP2ME]

In my opinion, the only way that we've seemed to make progress here, is when good people, who have power and education, do things. You are talking about the bad people with power and education. Now, if Jesus was a good person, and arguably he did some things that might generally be considered good, I suppose, then I don't see how it is useful to us that he merely left.
We need good people, with power and education, to stick around and help out. And some do, you can find them in history books, inventing things, saying good things. Making a mark that propels the human race forward. Doing things that make life better. Now to me, Jesus is controversial in that regard. He has some good sayings that seem useful, but beyond that, I don't know.
He didn't stick around and invent physics for us, or invent the internet, or planes etc. If he did, we would have 2000 years of experience with those things by now, and they would be better. He cured lepers, but did not show us medicine to use after he died. He let rome have lead piping, which caused who knows what, in terms of biological damage. He didn't say much about how to stop war, etc.
But he has a few good sayings that I remember, that seem to be true. I generally think the 'matthew principle' seems powerful and true, but I think that it also might be a curse? I guess that's sort of the main one, but there a couple others down in my mind somewhere, that I usually remember

You make good points ^ above ^ but I think we need to add biblical viewpoints to it.
Since Satan and Adam broke God's Law the whole world lies in the power of the wicked one - 1 John 5:19.
Any time after the first prophecy was spoken at Genesis 3:15 then Messiah (seed) could have appeared.
The passing of time has allowed for us to be born and think who we would like as Sovereign over us.
Once Genesis 1:28 is completed to God's purpose to populate Earth then Jesus could return.
We are all invited to pray the invitation of Rev. 22:20 to God for Jesus to come ! - Revelation 22:2
At his coming return then Jesus will bring 'HEALING' to earth's nations - Revelation 22:2; Isaiah 35th chapter.
In the meantime, we have the opportunity to 'repent' so as Not to 'perish' - 2 Peter 3:9

 

[Fallen Prophet]

What do you expect in the coming years - for attitudes and conditions to get better, or worst?

I used to live in a fairly clean district, but now, it's unsightly, since the neighborhood changed.
In fact, the country I live in, has become unsightly, in many many areas... one could say, 'all over the place'.
Rats have become a problem too.

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The Garbage Problem is just one problem
Garbage is a big problem all over the world. People buy and use a lot of things nowadays. After a while, they throw them away in the garbage bin. All the garbage is later thrown away or dumped outside the city. These places are called landfill sites. In many cities, landfill sites are now full.

Do you see things getting better, in a few years time, or do you think man's attitudes are getting worst?

It's going to get a lot worse before it gets any better.

 

[Sheldon]

It's going to get a lot worse before it gets any better.

What is going to get worse, worse than what, before what gets better than what?

 

[nPeace]

It's going to get a lot worse before it gets any better.

I agree, but I don't know if you have the same view as I do.
Are you thinking of prophecies in scripture, such as 2 Timothy 3, and other prophecies related to these times?
Also, when you say "before it gets any better", are you thinking of scriptures such as 2 Peter 3:13, and others, related to the new earth, like Revelation 21:3-5?

 

[Fallen Prophet]

I agree, but I don't know if you have the same view as I do.
Are you thinking of prophecies in scripture, such as 2 Timothy 3, and other prophecies related to these times?
Also, when you say "before it gets any better", are you thinking of scriptures such as 2 Peter 3:13, and others, related to the new earth, like Revelation 21:3-5?

Yes.

I believe that it is only going to get worse - generally - until the Lord comes again in His glory to usher in His Millennial Reign.

There will be natural disasters as the Earth reacts to and rejects the many sins of Mankind.

The governments of the world will collapse - perhaps not all - but enough so that violence and unrighteous dominion will be the new standard.

The faithful will gather - perhaps all together - but more likely in their respective regions - and the Lord will help them according to their faith and good works.

There will be peace and many miracles among the gathered faithful who await their Lord.

Then He will come again and His coming will destroy the wicked and a thousand years of peace, miracles and divine works will commence.

Then the Final Battle - Gog and Magog - then the Resurrection of all and the Final Judgment.

 

[nPeace]

Yes.

I believe that it is only going to get worse - generally - until the Lord comes again in His glory to usher in His Millennial Reign.

There will be natural disasters as the Earth reacts to and rejects the many sins of Mankind.

The governments of the world will collapse - perhaps not all - but enough so that violence and unrighteous dominion will be the new standard.

The faithful will gather - perhaps all together - but more likely in their respective regions - and the Lord will help them according to their faith and good works.

There will be peace and many miracles among the gathered faithful who await their Lord.

Then He will come again and His coming will destroy the wicked and a thousand years of peace, miracles and divine works will commence.

Then the Final Battle - Gog and Magog - then the Resurrection of all and the Final Judgment.

Basically, Bible prophecy. That's what I was asking, thanks.

 

[Sheldon]

Yes.

I believe that it is only going to get worse

What is going to get worse, worse than what, before what gets better than what?

???

 

[stvdv]

Thanks @nPeace for inviting me to this thread. My answers below are just for you (I won't debate them with others)

What do you expect in the coming years - for attitudes and conditions to get better, or worst?

Attitudes definitely get worse. Our PM gave a talk not long ago and the then minister of health, wellbeing said "We will make the people very angry". And that's what they are doing since Corona

Obvious they believe in homoeopathy "cure disease by administer the disease in a less concentration"

Which is a good thing, as

I know and trust homeopathy and I know it works and can work positive miracles

Sadly

I know and distrust governments, and therefore I don't expect positive miracle from them anytime soon

But i just "Wait and Witness" not "Worry"

The Garbage Problem is just one problem

Reflecting the state of the human Heart & Mind & Body.

A sad fact. To solve problems they should focus on human Heart, Mind. Garbage problems will be solved en passant.

The other way, the way that Government acts, is like Big Pharma...symptomatic treatment, keep you dependent, just to drain you from your money and control you.

They call it business, progress. I call it stupidity

Do you see things getting better, in a few years time, or do you think man's attitudes are getting worst

Definitely getting worse in a few years time

But if they manage to reduce the world population then maybe the garbage problem can be solved over time, but again I don't hold my breath (unless they decimate the world population)

 

[stvdv]

@nPeace this question came from another thread, but I post it here. You asked me this question, so this is also just for you (I won't debate with others on it)

I'm interested in hearing why there is so much killing in the world and also quite a bit of suicide

To me it is now very clear what the root cause is of so much killing in the world and so much suicide

Root cause = Lack of Love

Killing = Lack of Love + Self Hate + Hate Others
Suicide = Lack of Love + Self Hate

 

[nPeace]

Thanks @nPeace for inviting me to this thread. My answers below are just for you (I won't debate them with others)

Glad to hear from you.

Attitudes definitely get worse. Our PM gave a talk not long ago and the then minister of health, wellbeing said "We will make the people very angry". And that's what they are doing since Corona

Obvious they believe in homoeopathy "cure disease by administer the disease in a less concentration"

Which is a good thing, as

I know and trust homeopathy and I know it works and can work positive miracles

Sadly

I know and distrust governments, and therefore I don't expect positive miracle from them anytime soon

But i just "Wait and Witness" not "Worry"

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Reflecting the state of the human Heart & Mind & Body.

A sad fact. To solve problems they should focus on human Heart, Mind. Garbage problems will be solved en passant.

The other way, the way that Government acts, is like Big Pharma...symptomatic treatment, keep you dependent, just to drain you from your money and control you.

They call it business, progress. I call it stupidity

I agree with you on this.
Changing minds and hearts is the start to eradicating most human problems.
Why do you think this eludes man?

I have seen the harm that these synthetic drugs do, and I see the greed in it. It's a sad reality, imo.

Definitely getting worse in a few years time

But if they manage to reduce the world population then maybe the garbage problem can be solved over time, but again I don't hold my breath (unless they decimate the world population)

Reducing the population won't get rid of the garbage problem, imo. Here is why.
8 billion greedy, unclean people, are no different to 8 million more greedy unclean people.

Aside from the heart and mind being right, accurate knowledge and true wisdom also has to be right. All these evidently are missing from this system.

@nPeace this question came from another thread, but I post it here. You asked me this question, so this is also just for you (I won't debate with others on it)

To me it is now very clear what the root cause is of so much killing in the world and so much suicide

Root cause = Lack of Love

Killing = Lack of Love + Self Hate + Hate Others
Suicide = Lack of Love + Self Hate

It is a cause indeed. It reminds me of so many scriptures in the Bible. Such as
(Romans 13:8-10) 8 Do not owe anything to anyone except to love one another; for whoever loves his fellow man has fulfilled the law. 9 For the law code, “You must not commit adultery, you must not murder, you must not steal, you must not covet,” and whatever other commandment there is, is summed up in this saying: “You must love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does not work evil to one’s neighbor; therefore, love is the law’s fulfillment.
See Galatians 5:13-26

I really came to understand the link between God's spirit and perfection.

However, it is evident to me, lack of love isn't the root cause. It's just one of the falling dominos.

The root cause is separation from God... in my view . This leads to lack of love. When one draws away from God, their mind and heart begins developing opposite qualities.
It's like leaving the light, and retreating into darkness. The further away from the light, the darker it gets.

This is how evil began. It's how imperfection started also.

Jesus evidently recognized that lack of love is only one of the falling dominoes.
(Matthew 24:12) . . .and because of the increasing of lawlessness, the love of the greater number will grow cold.
Love for self, or selfish love, also results in negative pride and greed... in my view.

 

[Sheldon]

I expect what objective evidence demonstrates is likely.

The rest I must disbelieve.

 

[stvdv]

However, it is evident to me, lack of love isn't the root cause. It's just one of the falling dominos.

The root cause is separation from God... in my view

That is what is meant with "Lack of Love" (when I capitalize it... Love is 'Love of the Divine', Divine Love, hence follow God's instructions)